Demaryius Thomas expecting 15+ mill a year

[SDCowboy]

Yeah like the Packers, Patriots, Broncos, Colts, Lions, Eagles, Steelers............oh wait.

You kind of proved his point. The Broncos became a running team the second half of the season. The Pats run game was very good towards the end of the season and into the playoffs. And the Steelers had one of the best rushing games in the league...As for the Colts, they're an example of what you get with no run game. A very good QB who throws a lotof INT's because everything is put on him.

 

[locked&loaded]

In the nfc the 2 teams who played in the nfc championship game were 2 and 3 in rush yrds per game. The top 4 teams in the playoffs rushing were all from the nfc. In reguards to the Cowboys who play in the nfc i think the rushing game is more important.

Depends on what you look at. Obviously you want to be balanced and when you enter the playoffs your run game and defense become a lot more important.

The top 5 teams in total pass tds last year were in the playoffs

 

[SDCowboy]

Depends on what you look at. Obviously you want to be balanced and when you enter the playoffs your run game and defense become a lot more important.

The top 5 teams in total pass tds last year were in the playoffs

Exactly. It's a passing league, but most of the top teams had strong run games also.

 

[JoeKing]

Thats why I feel its smart for dallas to just tag dez these next 2 years.

I see the parallels you mention between Denver and Dallas, however I'm hoping Dallas has a bigger window with which to work.

 

[Idgit]

Passing effectiveness differential is what wins the games.

That contract in DET is sure jamming up the WR market for Dallas and Denver, though. Good to see neither team seems to be budging, but it's part of the problem. Neither Dez nor Thomas wants to be the one to blink first and take something lower than the market CJ set and have the other player possibly blow that new number away. The answer is probably more guaranteed money but a lower AAV than Johnson got (he was massively overpaid), but good luck making that case before the franchise tag is in place and FA starts up for other positions.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

In the nfc the 2 teams who played in the nfc championship game were 2 and 3 in rush yrds per game. The top 4 teams in the playoffs rushing were all from the nfc. In reguards to the Cowboys who play in the nfc i think the rushing game is more important.

Right but that is 4 teams out of 32 lol...

Quarterbacks are getting 100 million dolllar deals. Receivers are getting big money. This league is still about the passing game and the quarterback. Even with the Cowboys. Who do you think the Cowboys are getting rid of first? Romo or Demarco? Or the Steelers with Roethlisberger or Leveon Bell? Russell or Marshawn Lynch?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Right but that is 4 teams out of 32 lol...

Quarterbacks are getting 100 million dolllar deals. Receivers are getting big money. This league is still about the passing game and the quarterback. Even with the Cowboys. Who do you think the Cowboys are getting rid of first? Romo or Demarco? Or the Steelers with Roethlisberger or Leveon Bell? Russell or Marshawn Lynch?

New England didn't "ride the run" in beating Seattle.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I see the parallels you mention between Denver and Dallas, however I'm hoping Dallas has a bigger window with which to work.

Well they got 2 maybe 3 at the most with romo.

 

[LatinMind]

Depends on what you look at. Obviously you want to be balanced and when you enter the playoffs your run game and defense become a lot more important.

The top 5 teams in total pass tds last year were in the playoffs

Passing Pyrds per game
1. Colts
2. Steelers
3. Saints
4. Broncos
5. Falcons
I see 2 teams who didnt make the playoffs, how many do you see?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/netPassingYards

 

[locked&loaded]

Passing Pyrds per game
1. Colts
2. Steelers
3. Saints
4. Broncos
5. Falcons
I see 2 teams who didnt make the playoffs, how many do you see?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/netPassingYards

okay....re read my post.

top 5 teams in pass TOUCHDWONS.

 

[JeffInDC]

Too much money. If dez is wanting a deal like this he will be tagged 2 years in a row. Which is fine with me.

Apparently, Dez is seeking more than $30M in GUARANTEED money.....if they franchise him 2 years in a row, he basically gets almost 90% of that in the first 2 years with a HUGE CAP HIT to the club for those 2 years - wheras they could just give him the market rate deal for a Top 3 WR and not have 2 huge cap hits over the next 2 years.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Apparently, Dez is seeking more than $30M in GUARANTEED money.....if they franchise him 2 years in a row, he basically gets almost 90% of that in the first 2 years with a HUGE CAP HIT to the club for those 2 years - wheras they could just give him the market rate deal for a Top 3 WR and not have 2 huge cap hits over the next 2 years.

true tag him this year and if dallas doesn't seem to look good just trade dez and get a lot for him and build for the future.

 

[LatinMind]

okay....re read my post.

top 5 teams in pass TOUCHDWONS.

Well if you look at the top 9 in TD passes thats pretty much the top 9 QBs in the NFL. what do you expect?

 

[locked&loaded]

Well if you look at the top 9 in TD passes thats pretty much the top 9 QBs in the NFL. what do you expect?

I expect a good percent of them to get into the playoffs because it is a passing league?

 

[Verdict]

I don't know if I like paying a WR this much either. I am however tired of hearing that "no" receiver is worth this much. Dez Bryant doesn't just contribute to the Cowboys winning games, he flat out wins them sometimes. He is a player that transcends silly cliches like "no receiver is worth x amount".

I don't know if he is worth 15 million a year, but I do know you can't apply linear logic to his contract. Like Romo, he can win games you flat out aren't suppose to. Yes, you can argue that redistributing his money in order to make the team more balanced is indeed a better option, but don't delude yourself into thinking that 2 good receivers is somehow better than one great receiver. Witten is a good receiver, Williams is a good receiver, and most of the free agents we could snag are good receivers. Do any of those "good" receivers catch even 10% of the catches worthy of making it into a Dez Bryant highlight reel? How valuable are those catches anyways (no seriously, that's the argument isn't it)?

I think we saw the value of the catches Dez can make in the playoffs and leading up to the playoffs. Good receivers don't always make those catches, and neither does Dez, but that 15 million isn't just getting you a few hundred more yards a year and a few more touchdowns, it is getting you something much harder to put value on.

I have confidence in Dez performing as a super star for the Cowboys, as I'm sure everyone of you does as well. Please compare that to the confidence you have in the Cowboys (or any team) effectively redistributing that money into free agency. I'm betting on Dez, and up until this point anyone who has bet against him has been wrong.

If you paid DEz the money he reportedly wants then you aren't able to keep those good receivers you are referring to. You end up with retreads or inexperienced guys. You don't end up with Witten making the catch late in the season that extended our season.

What many of you fail to realize is that Calvin Johnson who was the best receiver in the NFL wasn't able to carry his team anywhere. We stopped giving out bloated contracts few years ago and it seems to be paying off.

You don't see teams like Seattle or New England saying let me open up my checkbook, how much do you want? They don't have a DEZ but hey do have a powerful TEAM. You just can't pay everyone.

 

[Verdict]

Dez makes crazy circus catches all year. Without him we lose a lot of games...

Keep in mind that Odell Beckham had the catch of the year ..... and he watched the playoffs from HOME. Why? His team sucks. It doesn't matter if you can't draft or you can't keep players because of the cap.. The result is the same.

 

[DFWJC]

Apparently, Dez is seeking more than $30M in GUARANTEED money.....if they franchise him 2 years in a row, he basically gets almost 90% of that in the first 2 years with a HUGE CAP HIT to the club for those 2 years - wheras they could just give him the market rate deal for a Top 3 WR and not have 2 huge cap hits over the next 2 years.

key words

 

[DFWJC]

Well if you look at the top 9 in TD passes thats pretty much the top 9 QBs in the NFL. what do you expect?

That's right.

Just to re-hash an old fact
Every year that Romo has been QB, Dallas has had a WR at or near the top in TD catches. That list included Mile Austin and Laurent Robinson.

QBs drive WR production, not the other way around.

Having said that, I want Dez in a Cowboy uniform for many years to come.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Well if you look at the top 9 in TD passes thats pretty much the top 9 QBs in the NFL. what do you expect?

Ha ha funny how that works isn't it?

 

[Solution]

If you paid DEz the money he reportedly wants then you aren't able to keep those good receivers you are referring to. You end up with retreads or inexperienced guys. You don't end up with Witten making the catch late in the season that extended our season.

What many of you fail to realize is that Calvin Johnson who was the best receiver in the NFL wasn't able to carry his team anywhere. We stopped giving out bloated contracts few years ago and it seems to be paying off.

You don't see teams like Seattle or New England saying let me open up my checkbook, how much do you want? They don't have a DEZ but hey do have a powerful TEAM. You just can't pay everyone.

New England paid for Revis, Seattle is rumored to be paying for Lynch. Can we stop always trying to compare ourselves to the flavor of the month? Any team can win with any style, and Dez has actually proven to anyone watching that he can and sometimes has carried his team to a win.

Also, the main point I'm trying to make is who do you bring in with Dez's money, and how confident are you that the team would be better served evaluating and signing free agents then they would be just resigning a known commodity?

Superbowls have been won with every sort of team you can imagine, and no one really has presented a good argument in this thread or this forum that paying Dez a lot of money is a worse idea than letting him walk. All I read about are cliches and these imaginary lines in the sand, and no real alternatives.

So far as I can tell, we could resign Dez and D-line help, which would be gravy.