Deuce Vaughn Will Have to be RB2 to be Successful

[slick325]

He will be our short yardage/goal line back.

Tony Pollard makes $10M on the tag...that should be his job.

 

[KJJ]

1. Deuce won’t play special teams at all, so he will need significant utility to remain on the field

2. He won’t come in on 3rd and long because he’s too small to block.

2. He NEEDS a mixture of both regular carries AND gadget plays. If he only gets used as a gadget guy, they’ll know it’s a screen or sweep every time. To get there he needs to be RB2 eventually

He won’t be RB2. He’ll be on KO returns and could possibly be our punt returner, making Turpin expendable. They’ll be gadget plays for him and opportunities out of the backfield as a receiver. They’ll find ways to use him and if he’s not successful he won’t be here very long.

 

[CATCH17]

He won’t be RB2. He’ll be on KO returns and could possibly be our punt returner, making Turpin expendable. They’ll be gadget plays for him and opportunities out of the backfield as a receiver. They’ll find ways to use him and if he’s not successful he won’t be here very long.

If they use him like that then he won’t be here long.

His style of play is prototypical.

 

[KJJ]

If they use him like that then he won’t be here long.

His style of play is prototypical.

The only way he’s going to get opportunities early on running with the football is mainly on gadget plays and as a returner. If he starts making some plays in those areas it’s going to give him more opportunities with the ball. The reason Pollard has gotten more opportunities each year was because he kept making plays. If you show you got some juice you’re going to get the ball more often. This was Pollard a couple of years ago on a KO return.

 

[eromeopolk]

1. Deuce won’t play special teams at all, so he will need significant utility to remain on the field

2. He won’t come in on 3rd and long because he’s too small to block.

2. He NEEDS a mixture of both regular carries AND gadget plays. If he only gets used as a gadget guy, they’ll know it’s a screen or sweep every time. To get there he needs to be RB2 eventually

1. Disagree he will have to get on the field as a return man PR or KR.
2. There will be 2 FBs on the Cowboys roster with Mike McCarthy who prior to becoming a Jonesboy had those guys (FBs) chipping and swing out on passes. So Deuce "of Mice and Men" Vaughn can be used in the slot or passing downs with the FB on the field having pass block assignment.
3. He can do a series especially in game flow or playing from behind.

But, I agree that I will never put my faith in a 5-5-175 RB in a big man's game like NFL football. This is the story of "mice and Men" The best laid plan of mice and men can come apart when you are 5-5-175 and get hit by 230 pound average LBs. See Lance Dunbar who was 3 inches taller and 10 pounds heavier get hurt by overuse.

 

[DuncanIso]

This is exactly why I wrote the OP. I don’t want him to be treated like Turpin, where every time he’s in there it’s a WR screen or hand it off to Turpin in motion.

To me Deuce is a legit (albeit unique) RB, and will need to get RB2 quantities of carries to not become a 1-trick element in the offense. He’s too dynamic to be cornered in like that

He can’t pass block and he’s not an A-B gap power back.

I don’t see how he gets to be RB2 with those limitations…

If he gets to be RB3, he likely gets 1 or 2 plays a game.

 

[CATCH17]

The only way he’s going to get opportunities early on running with the football is mainly on gadget plays and as a returner. If he starts making some plays in those areas it’s going to give him more opportunities with the ball. The reason Pollard has gotten more opportunities each year was because he kept making plays. If you show you got some juice you’re going to get the ball more often. This was Pollard a couple of years ago on a KO return.

Pollard was a WR transitioning to HB.

Vaughn has been one of the most productive RBs in the nation for 3 years and he didn’t do it running gadget plays.

His game is running between the tackles and finding space when there is none. He’s a between the tackles ball carrier first.

He can also be put in the slot and make plays as a WR.

 

[CWR]

they wont im sorry but Vaughn wont be just the specialist he will get real snaps hes not a gadget guy, jeez go watch his full film , hes a real RB who can split snaps...

no Turpin's not going to be replaced this year. he will have his first true NFL offseason that feel a rhythm with one team can be established and the coaches will further develop his pass game. no reason both cant split time or even do the okie doke with them both back on returns and run games on reverses and fakes etc there have been plenty of return specialist throughout the history of the NFL that hardly pay much at a regular position. not unheard-of KT was so close to breaking many of those for tds.. he was very good until his little fumble or bobble issues late.

Turpin can be special. We didn't get him near his potential. Give him an actual offseason to cook. The fact he played in 30 PROFESIONAL GAMES in a calendar year is unbelievable. His body was bruised and battered week 1.

 

[KJJ]

Pollard was a WR transitioning to HB.

Vaughn has been one of the most productive RBs in the nation for 3 years and he didn’t do it running gadget plays.

His game is running between the tackles and finding space when there is none. He’s a between the tackles ball carrier first.

He can also be put in the slot and make plays as a WR.

The problem is Vaughn is undersized for an NFL RB which is why he was a sixth round pick. It doesn’t matter what he did in college. There’s been some very productive players in college football that weren’t productive in the NFL. With Pollard he’s not going to get a lot of opportunities running the football. We need a big power back who can wear on a defense to pair with Pollard

 

[CATCH17]

Turpin can be special. We didn't get him near his potential. Give him an actual offseason to cook. The fact he played in 30 PROFESIONAL GAMES in a calendar year is unbelievable. His body was bruised and battered week 1.

Him running into the kicker in the playoff game is still in my mind.

 

[CWR]

I think being short and powerful is actually an advantage for running backs. They hide a little better behind the offensive line.

They learn to be patient and let the blocking develop. They can get lost, and hit a crease for sure.

 

[dsturgeon]

If a 7th rounder sees the field in any role he is successful

 

[CWR]

Him running into the kicker in the playoff game is still in my mind.

He did seem to tail off towards the end of the year, and mental blunders started to surface. Funny how he thought he was going to MM's office to get cut, when he was actually being informed he made the pro-bowl. Lol

 

[CWR]

I do not think he will be in the normal RB rotation ...... I think he will be a special weapon with his own set of downs.

I think he starts off that way, and plays himself into a larger roll. Hopefully he has some juice in the pre-season. I also think Ronald Jones might give us some decent reps though, so don't listen to me. Would be nice to see a move for a big back though. The big white kid might be getting that role by default.

 

[KJJ]

Darren Sproles was a terrific player and he never ran the ball more than 94 times in a season. He averaged about 45 to 50 carries per season. That’s the best you can hope for with Vaughn if he turns out. The fans that are going overboard thinking he’s the greatest thing since Barry Sanders and are hoping he’s going to get at least 10 to 15 carries per game are going to be very disappointed.

 

[CATCH17]

Pollard is awesome and electric. So let’s be clear about that.


But Deuce Vaughn to me is a guy you want in on 1st and 2nd down and in areas of the field that are crowded.

I seriously think that outside of short yardage and pass protection he’ll be better at everything else than Zeke.

I think Ronald Jones and Malik Davis will battle for a roster spot and whoever loses that competition gets cut.

But Deuce Vaughn is a guy you want on the field on early downs and running run into the teeth of the defense. He’s not a gadget guy.

 

[buybuydandavis]

1. Deuce won’t play special teams at all, so he will need significant utility to remain on the field

Don't know why you'd assume that.
Deuce can compete for punt and kick returns.

 

[buybuydandavis]

2. He NEEDS a mixture of both regular carries AND gadget plays. If he only gets used as a gadget guy, they’ll know it’s a screen or sweep every time. To get there he needs to be RB2 eventually

No.
A motion RB/WR can take carries or go out for passes, *or* you can do something else with other players, including another RB. A player being on the field doesn't mean the ball has to go to him.

I think both Pollard and Deuce would be best paired with a between the tackles RB while they are the motion RB/WR. Make a legitimate threat to run both wide and up the middle at the same time.

 

[buybuydandavis]

He needs to be able to return Punts and Kicks.
Unless they feel they can use Turpin in the passing game, but Deuce can be used there as well.

He need to replace Turpin, and they can't have 2 guys just for specialty plays / ST's.
I can't see them carrying only 5 WR's and Turpin is one of them. Though they have carried 6 and even 7 before.

We have a history of using WRs a special teams pool.

I look at the team, and I see a lot of specialists in offensive skills positions. It seems to be a McCarthy philosophy. Turpin, Deuce, Luepke. Pollard really should be a RB/WR hybrid too. Totally a waste not to send him deep more often.
And watch out for Bostick as a blocking TE. TE in HS, and two years in college before moving to OT. I'm hoping.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Pollard was a WR transitioning to HB.

Vaughn has been one of the most productive RBs in the nation for 3 years and he didn’t do it running gadget plays.

His game is running between the tackles and finding space when there is none. He’s a between the tackles ball carrier first.

He can also be put in the slot and make plays as a WR.

Deuce looks like a legit route runner for a RB. Can do a lot more in the passing game than take dump offs.