Deuce Vaughn Will Have to be RB2 to be Successful

[CATCH17]

All I know is a lot of people on here thought for years Pollard was nothing more than a scat back.

Meanwhile I told all of you for 2.5 years he was the best RB on the team.

Some of you still couldn’t figure that one out last season when it was clear as day he was our best RB.

“Gotta have those tough yards.”

“I remember how Troy Hambrick looked behind Emmitt.”

Just comedy.

I will be surprised if Deuce Vaughns size isn’t what makes him special just like it always has for him.

The NFL is on the naysayers side though. He was a 6th rounder…

 

[CATCH17]

Now we are talking - transitioning to the NFL.

Plays happen much faster. Holes much smaller. Passing windows condensed. Players are scheme sound. Bigger, faster.

College football is light years different than playing against grown *** men that have been doing it for years. Grown *** men that were alpha dogs in college.

And you are right. Small, undersized, slow players do get lost. Lost to the XFL.

True but to his credit he dominated at the highest level of college football.

His production was as good as it gets.

I also saw Zeke too slow to get through huge holes last season that Vaughn will have no problem running through.

 

[DallasEast]

Not sure I have ever been more eager, for a regular season to start, because of a sixth round draft pick, in order to read the pro or con 'I told you so's, since joining the site.

 

[CowboyFrog]

How is this still an argument, all the facts are everywhere to see INCLUDING actual statements from the FO... he is not Turpin nor is he a "Gagdet Play guy" he will split carries with TP and could end up getting more.. TP had no where near the college load Deuce had.

 

[Big_D]

Deuce will be busy, he’ll get some carries, he’ll catch a few passes, and will probably be used ‘occasionally’ in the return game,

 

[Jfconrow]

He’s rb 1

 

[BlindFaith]

True but to his credit he dominated at the highest level of college football.

His production was as good as it gets.

I also saw Zeke too slow to get through huge holes last season that Vaughn will have no problem running through.

If ya'll want to crown him the goat of college football. Go right ahead. I have no problem with his college production. It was stellar.

What I do think, that is just comical, is how the majority of posters in these various threads just seem to think he'll just walk right in to the NFL and keep doing what he did in college. And that his tiny stature will actually help him in the NFL.

Im just trying to be practical based off of watching decades of football. Roster spots are gold.

He cant be the backup.
He's a liability in pass pro. He has zero catch radius.
He lacks power. So no short yardage.
He cant be on coverage units. ST

As Ive said, the only way he makes this team is if he can replace Turpin. I dont think he can, but if its close between the two and Vaughn can give us a little more on offense than Turpin, great.

The only way we will know is come camp time.

 

[BlindFaith]

Not sure I have ever been more eager, for a regular season to start, because of a sixth round draft pick, in order to read the pro or con 'I told you so's, since joining the site.

Jerry did his job then.

 

[xwalker]

1. Deuce won’t play special teams at all, so he will need significant utility to remain on the field

2. He won’t come in on 3rd and long because he’s too small to block.

2. He NEEDS a mixture of both regular carries AND gadget plays. If he only gets used as a gadget guy, they’ll know it’s a screen or sweep every time. To get there he needs to be RB2 eventually

Deuce Vaughn (3 year college careeer):
- More rushing yards than the top 10 RBs in the 2023 NFL draft (I only reviewed the top 10).
- More receiving yards than any RB in the 2023 NFL draft.

Deuce is a legit RB, not a gadget player.

McCarthy will likely have Pollard and Deuce on the field together at times due to both being good receiving options as well as their ability to run the ball.

 

[xwalker]

If ya'll want to crown him the goat of college football. Go right ahead. I have no problem with his college production. It was stellar.

What I do think, that is just comical, is how the majority of posters in these various threads just seem to think he'll just walk right in to the NFL and keep doing what he did in college. And that his tiny stature will actually help him in the NFL.

Im just trying to be practical based off of watching decades of football. Roster spots are gold.

He cant be the backup.
He's a liability in pass pro. He has zero catch radius.
He lacks power. So no short yardage.
He cant be on coverage units. ST

As Ive said, the only way he makes this team is if he can replace Turpin. I dont think he can, but if its close between the two and Vaughn can give us a little more on offense than Turpin, great.

The only way we will know is come camp time.

Deuce Vaughn (3 year college careeer):
- More rushing yards than the top 10 RBs in the 2023 NFL draft (I only reviewed the top 10).
- More receiving yards than any RB in the 2023 NFL draft.

Deuce is a legit RB, not a gadget player.

McCarthy will likely have Pollard and Deuce on the field together at times due to both being good receiving options as well as their ability to run the ball.

 

[rambo2]

If ya'll want to crown him the goat of college football. Go right ahead. I have no problem with his college production. It was stellar.

What I do think, that is just comical, is how the majority of posters in these various threads just seem to think he'll just walk right in to the NFL and keep doing what he did in college. And that his tiny stature will actually help him in the NFL.

Im just trying to be practical based off of watching decades of football. Roster spots are gold.

He cant be the backup.
He's a liability in pass pro. He has zero catch radius.
He lacks power. So no short yardage.
He cant be on coverage units. ST

As Ive said, the only way he makes this team is if he can replace Turpin. I dont think he can, but if its close between the two and Vaughn can give us a little more on offense than Turpin, great.

The only way we will know is come camp time.

Lol, makes the team? He certainly makes the team and should be a big part of the team.

 

[Jarntt]

Well, like any player to be here long term he will have to be the RB#2 if he isn't playing STs or he won't be on the game day roster, but the expectation when you drafted him is he will be. So I think you can say it about any player and I don't view that as a negative statement. Personally I think he will be the RB2 at some point this year (I mean who else do we really have?) but certainly by next if he is who many think he is. He won't ever be a bell cow back but his tape says he can run the ball and be a Swiss army knife type and the type of guy who can help a team even if only getting a few touches a game due t this big play ability.

As far as special teams go he won't be running down on kicks and punts, but I think he has the skill set to be a return guy - at least the #2 guy deep on kickoffs. Since he never returned punts and barely returned kicks I certainly wouldn't expect him to do it better than Turpin year 1, if ever. Perhaps it may eventually be his role but I don't think it will be this year. Interestingly enough I was reading where he made sure to showcase himself returning punts on his visits to shower can do it.

Lastly, I totally agree on pass protecting. He just isn't likely going to do it well at this level, but a lot of 3rd down receiving backs aren't great blockers and they become more a quick dump off option. sometimes you just need to be able to slow a guy down for a half second. Our OL should be OK when not facing a blitz. No OL will be perfect but we've been good enough to give our QB time to throw or dump off or throw away. We need to just keep working with him on it. Not to compare it to this but the way teams beat the Bears 46 D was to just start putting more WRs in patterns then they could cover. Our issue on blitzes has been more the miscommunication between our QB and WRs. Every other team seems to know what they are doing on hot reads but we don't. QB, WR, coach...not sure who's fault but it's been an issue for a while now. Also we played Pollard a lot on 3rd downs last year even though Zeke was the far superior pass protector, so it may not just be the best pass protector back there

 

[BlindFaith]

Well, like any player to be here long term he will have to be the RB#2 if he isn't playing STs or he won't be on the game day roster, but the expectation when you drafted him is he will be. So I think you can say it about any player and I don't view that as a negative statement. Personally I think he will be the RB2 at some point this year (I mean who else do we really have?) but certainly by next if he is who many think he is. He won't ever be a bell cow back but his tape says he can run the ball and be a Swiss army knife type and the type of guy who can help a team even if only getting a few touches a game due t this big play ability.

As far as special teams go he won't be running down on kicks and punts, but I think he has the skill set to be a return guy - at least the #2 guy deep on kickoffs. Since he never returned punts and barely returned kicks I certainly wouldn't expect him to do it better than Turpin year 1, if ever. Perhaps it may eventually be his role but I don't think it will be this year. Interestingly enough I was reading where he made sure to showcase himself returning punts on his visits to shower can do it.

Lastly, I totally agree on pass protecting. He just isn't likely going to do it well at this level, but a lot of 3rd down receiving backs aren't great blockers and they become more a quick dump off option. sometimes you just need to be able to slow a guy down for a half second. Our OL should be OK when not facing a blitz. No OL will be perfect but we've been good enough to give our QB time to throw or dump off or throw away. We need to just keep working with him on it. Not to compare it to this but the way teams beat the Bears 46 D was to just start putting more WRs in patterns then they could cover. Our issue on blitzes has been more the miscommunication between our QB and WRs. Every other team seems to know what they are doing on hot reads but we don't. QB, WR, coach...not sure who's fault but it's been an issue for a while now. Also we played Pollard a lot on 3rd downs last year even though Zeke was the far superior pass protector, so it may not just be the best pass protector back there

This guy was basically a 7th round pick. I think the 17th RB drafted. He was the best player in their board at the time.

He will have the same expectations on him as any 7th round pick, extremely lucky to just make the team.

He will end up on the practice squad. They'll work with him on kick/punt returns. More importantly, they'll see if he can hold up.

This team has Superbowl aspirations. No way Vaughn is our primary backup RB. And no way they let him learn how to field punts on the fly, especially when we have a pro bowler on the roster.

Third RB. If Im taking a flyer, Id be more interested in Luepke. I really like Davis as well. And there could be some other capable guys come training camp or camp cuts.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Don't know why many see Deuce and think he is a novelty or gadget play guy....other than because of his size and not watching his career at KState. As a Horns fan, i saw him since his freshman year when he was freshman of the year in the Big 12; and was a pain in the arse all the time. I knew since then he had something special, and his size did not prohibit him from racking up yards and scoring TDs. He is not a fragile small guy like Turpin. Strong & muscular. He is very similar to Sproles who had a pretty good NFL career. Amazing he lasted til the lower 6th round. I will guarantee, provided no injury, Deuce will make the 53.

 

[CWR]

Now we are talking - transitioning to the NFL.

Plays happen much faster. Holes much smaller. Passing windows condensed. Players are scheme sound. Bigger, faster.

College football is light years different than playing against grown *** men that have been doing it for years. Grown *** men that were alpha dogs in college.

And you are right. Small, undersized, slow players do get lost. Lost to the XFL.

@notJDaigle
Deuce Vaughn against Power Five competition last year: 25-149-2 27-129-0 24-181-0 12-37-0 16-121-1 26-176-2 26-159-1 33-156-1 22-67-1 27-229-1 28-160-1 22-133-1 (Alabama)

I'm not going to predict success with a severely undersized 6th round pick, but he's beat up on some legit competition, and blue chip NFL players. He is far from slow either. There's more to speed than a 40 time.

 

[CWR]

All I know is a lot of people on here thought for years Pollard was nothing more than a scat back.

Meanwhile I told all of you for 2.5 years he was the best RB on the team.

Some of you still couldn’t figure that one out last season when it was clear as day he was our best RB.

“Gotta have those tough yards.”

“I remember how Troy Hambrick looked behind Emmitt.”

Just comedy.

I will be surprised if Deuce Vaughns size isn’t what makes him special just like it always has for him.

The NFL is on the naysayers side though. He was a 6th rounder…

I remember an entire thread with doofuses saying we can replace Pollard with any mid round pick.

 

[CowboyFrog]

@notJDaigle
Deuce Vaughn against Power Five competition last year: 25-149-2 27-129-0 24-181-0 12-37-0 16-121-1 26-176-2 26-159-1 33-156-1 22-67-1 27-229-1 28-160-1 22-133-1 (Alabama)

I'm not going to predict success with a severely undersized 6th round pick, but he's beat up on some legit competition, and blue chip NFL players. He is far from slow either. There's more to speed than a 40 time.

he is a gadget guy like Turpin just look at how he was used in College..lol its funny this is even a discussion, the guy is a legit back period!

 

[McMicah]

Deuce Vaughn (3 year college careeer):
- More rushing yards than the top 10 RBs in the 2023 NFL draft (I only reviewed the top 10).
- More receiving yards than any RB in the 2023 NFL draft.

Deuce is a legit RB, not a gadget player.

McCarthy will likely have Pollard and Deuce on the field together at times due to both being good receiving options as well as their ability to run the ball.

I see that. You see that. Let’s hope the FO sees that.

 

[Clove]

I actually watched his highlights and that was pretty impressive but I know how highlights go. So I decided to watch some actual game footage and came away blown away. Like all runners, he will be stopped here and there, but as soon as the defense makes a mistakes, it could be a house call, he's that deadly.

 

[CWR]

he is a gadget guy like Turpin just look at how he was used in College..lol its funny this is even a discussion, the guy is a legit back period!

Agreed, no one is anointing him, but so many "fans" can't wait to dismiss the man. A guy that size performing like he has takes an incredible amount of mental fortitude, or heart. Let's see him put it on display before making up our minds.