Dez Bryant defends reputation

[InmanRoshi]

On one hand, I've always been of the "In The First Round, Draft The Guy Most Likely To End Up on the Ring of Honor" philosophy, and Bryant would definitely fit that bill if he's there at 27.

But, Im really taken aback by the PacMan appearance. Eskimo nailed it. He doesn't "get it". He's not a bad person from all accounts, but basic common sense is apparently over his head. He continues to display remarkably bad decision making skills, and since life is ultimately about making decisions, his problems aren't going to end any time soon. I'm not suggesting shootout in a stripclub, but there will be always something going on that keeps him in the headlines because he's going to keep making bad decisions for a while until life teaches him lessons the hardway (unfortunately it doesn't appear like he had anyone at home growing up who could teach him these lessons). For that reason, I don't think the Dallas Cowboys, being the biggest and most scrutinized stage in professional sports, is a good is a good fit..... for him or the Cowboys. He's better off going to somewhere like Jacksonville or Buffalo. It's a very deep draft class full of good players, and Dallas should be able to find some of these very good football players without needing to take on unnecessary risks.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Eskimo nailed it. He doesn't "get it". He's not a bad person from all accounts, but basic common sense is apparently over his head. He continues to display remarkably bad decision making skills, and since life is ultimately about making decisions, his problems aren't going to end any time soon. I'm not suggesting shootout in a stripclub, but it will be something that keeps him in the headlines ... especially if he comes to Dallas on the biggest stage in professional sports.

InmanRoshi, very good point, this is what I think, best i remember dez said at one time that he liked michael irvin. To me, (yeah I know irvin has had some issues, but to me Irvin is better suited then Deion Sanders for Dez), let michael irvin sit down with him, and the cowboys, if we draft him, let michael help tutor him as a wr, but like someone said, he has to be prepared for what he is going to be doing when he gets on the big stage in NFL.

A very good person he could look at and see how he has messed up in his interviews is T O.
Now, dont get me wrong, im not say dez should use T O for a role model or anything like that, but see how when in past T O has opened his mouth and gotten himself into trouble. How the media does twist things sometimes to make a story, etc...
But for Dez to see some of T O's interviews and see this is what you will get into and this is not the way to do it.
You have to be able to handle yourself with the press, media, etc, and I think Michaell Irvin could really help him, if we draft him.

i also think with the first interview that the Cowboys did on dez, trent williams, and jason fox, the cowboys are doing their homework and double checkiing on dez, etc... and being sure, with the visit to valley ranch april1st. I am sure some of the cowboys scouts will be here to interview, time dez at his pro day here in lufkin march 30th.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Eskimo nailed it. He doesn't "get it". He's not a bad person from all accounts, but basic common sense is apparently over his head. He continues to display remarkably bad decision making skills, and since life is ultimately about making decisions, his problems aren't going to end any time soon. I'm not suggesting shootout in a stripclub, but it will be something that keeps him in the headlines ... especially if he comes to Dallas on the biggest stage in professional sports.

Oh and you do get it?

The worst thing he has done is lie to the NCAA.

Pacman for example had spit on a girl and get into a fight at a bar after a night of drinking by the time he was leaving college.

You wouldn't know a bad and dangerous person unless he came up and bit you on the nose and even then you would be pointing your finger at everyone else as he approached, chicken little. You are so naive about this its disgusting. I realize your brother or someone is a head but you run around and start pointing fingers and prophesizing doom at the smallest hint of even the most marginal behavior.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Oh and you do get it?

The worst thing he has done is lie to the NCAA.

Pacman for example had spit on a girl and get into a fight at a bar after a night of drinking by the time he was leaving college.

You wouldn't know a bad and dangerous person unless he came up and bit you on the nose and even then you would be pointing your finger at everyone else as he approached, chicken little. You are so naive about this its disgusting. I realize your brother or someone is a head but you run around and start pointing fingers and prophesizing doom at the smallest hint of even the most marginal behavior.

Fuzzy, calm down, i think your misunderstanding what Inman was trying to say or point to.
Now in todays NFL, with all the media access, how your watched with telephone etc... You have to be able to answer questions, and deal with the media. A very good example of not being able to do that is T O in the past, with the media.

To me Inman was saying with the big media in dallas, if Dez isnt ready to handle that he can get overrun. He isnt a bad kid, or anything like that, just not ready for the stardom in the NFL, how your followed around etc and viewed. Just like eugene parker for whatever reason letting dez attend pacman workout, I dont think they reallized how the media was going to take that. Thats what Inman was talking about to me.

Heck, say i won the lottery and people were knocking on my door, all the media, wherever i went etc... I wouldnt be able to handle that either. Just like movie stars when they make it big or other people that get into some type of stardom, your not ready for all that media. Thats something Dez has to prepare for etc...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, calm down, i think your misunderstanding what Inman was trying to say or point to.
Now in todays NFL, with all the media access, how your watched with telephone etc... You have to be able to answer questions, and deal with the media. A very good example of not being able to do that is T O in the past, with the media.

To me Inman was saying with the big media in dallas, if Dez isnt ready to handle that he can get overrun. He isnt a bad kid, or anything like that, just not ready for the stardom in the NFL, how your followed around etc and viewed. Just like eugene parker for whatever reason letting dez attend pacman workout, I dont think they reallized how the media was going to take that. Thats what Inman was talking about to me.

Heck, say i won the lottery and people were knocking on my door, all the media, wherever i went etc... I wouldnt be able to handle that either. Just like movie stars when they make it big or other people that get into some type of stardom, your not ready for all that media. Thats something Dez has to prepare for etc...

joe, i know exactly what ir is talking about. its called a pattern of behavior from ir. he sees bad people and such everywhere he goes to the point where its comical.

 

[theogt]

Fuzzy, calm down, i think your misunderstanding what Inman was trying to say or point to.

 

[cowboyjoe]

joe, i know exactly what ir is talking about. its called a pattern of behavior from ir. he sees bad people and such everywhere he goes to the point where its comical.

ok ive dont want to get into that further then, we all our allowed to have our own opinions and thoughts, if everyone agreed on everything or even looked alike would be a dull world wouldnt it.

lets talk cowboys draft and football then

im still searching on that article you asked for, havent found it yet, but i will

 

[cowboyjoe]

:tongue: got ya back theogt

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey theo, do you have a response to pff stats deviating from STATS LLC figures by more than 20% on a consistent basis?

Or are you just going to hide behind smilies and claim that the above is an incoherent argument, the equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and screaming 'lalalalalalala, I can't hear you.'

 

[theogt]

Hey theo, do you have a response to pff stats deviating from STATS LLC figures by more than 20% on a consistent basis?

Or are you just going to hide behind smilies and claim that the above is an incoherent argument, the equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and screaming 'lalalalalalala, I can't hear you.'

I haven't seen that they do deviate by more than 20% on a consistent basis. You may have to re-read the numbers a few times before you actually understand what they're saying, ADD and all.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

ok ive dont want to get into that further then, we all our allowed to have our own opinions and thoughts, if everyone agreed on everything or even looked alike would be a dull world wouldnt it.

lets talk cowboys draft and football then

im still searching on that article you asked for, havent found it yet, but i will

Thats fine. But CJ when he talks about:

his problems aren't going to end any time soon. I'm not suggesting shootout in a stripclub, but there will be always something going on that keeps him in the headlines because he's going to keep making bad decisions for a while until life teaches him lessons the hardway

what do you think he is saying Bryant is going to do?

He is all but saying that Bryant is going to commit criminal acts and get in trouble because of them. Maybe not a shooting but he will do something according to IR.

As far as I can see he has never committed a criminal act. Have you?

 

[theogt]

:tongue: got ya back theogt

How's life treating you, Joe?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I haven't seen that they do deviate by more than 20% on a consistent basis. You may have to re-read the numbers a few times before you actually understand what they're saying, ADD and all.

A random sample showed that.

And here we go again some lame nonspecific insult instead of a coherent argument.

Quite frankly, using those stats when you are unable and unwilling to validate them in any way shape or form is intellectually dishonest from you, borderline personality disorder and all.

 

[Dodger]

"At the same time, I manned up for what I did wrong and told the truth. I feel like I didn't get the credit I deserve."

Right.

You didn't get credit you deserve for telling the truth about lying. Now that's what I call an attitude of entitlement.

 

[theogt]

A random sample showed that.

And here we go again some lame nonspecific insult instead of a coherent argument.

Quite frankly, using those stats when you are unable and unwilling to validate them in any way shape or form is intellectually dishonest from you, borderline personality disorder and all.

I haven't seen a random sample showing that.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Oh and you do get it?

I get it enough to know that if I'm in the middle of a 4 month interview process with millions of dollar on the line that I'm not going to openly and willingly associate myself with one of the most notorious and nefarious characters in the history of my profession for everyone to see. Especially when there are already a lot of question marks and concerns from prospective employers about my character. The stupidity is staggering and indicative of the poor decision making skills I'm talking about.

You wouldn't know a bad and dangerous person unless he came up and bit you on the nose and even then you would be pointing your finger at everyone else as he approached, chicken little. You are so naive about this its disgusting. I realize your brother or someone is a head but you run around and start pointing fingers and prophesizing doom at the smallest hint of even the most marginal behavior.

I knew enough about character to foresee that PacMan and Tank were going to end in disaster in Dallas and were going to continue their already well established pattern of behavior, while you were heading their bandwagons and defending them in post after post after post. How did that work out? So maybe you shouldn't be the one hurling insults, pointing fingers and lecturing about the inability to judge character and naivete. Your track record in this area is pretty dismal.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I haven't seen a random sample showing that.

Antrelle Rolle and Jarius Byrd's pass defended stats do. Jared Gaither's sack totals do. Patrick Willis' tackle totals do.

Pretty much if you were to take the time to actually look at the stats instead of crowing them its quickly obvious that the two sources interpretive statistics are nowhere near each other.

Whats obvious here is that your narcissistic fantasy of being right on Hamlin, and everyone else including NFL personnel people being wrong, are dependent on them. You cannot accept being wrong about something so you just choose not to look and see for yourself.

On that note I want to point a couple of things. You claim that I constantly misinterpret things and then go along an argument with that line of thought. Thats not ADD, if anything thats a mistake but if you really want to push the envelope you could claim obsessive compulsive.

Before I claimed borderline disorder. While you may fall on that axis, I really couldn't claim that without having met you. OTOH, narcissistic personality disorder fits you to a tee.

This is a nice segueway. The whole above about your delusion with Hamlin is not an isolated event. Your smugness about these things is just to hammer the point home.

Furthermore, your inability to concede being wrong down to the most minute point also tends towards that axis. Now I am sure in your mind you justify it by conceding points that occurred years ago.

What really struck me though was when you offhandedly conceded that you were wrong on CJ two years ago saying you didn't care. Then Bob found the quotes you said from then and what did you do? Surprise, surprise you in reality did not claim that and then tried to make it seem that those statements were not incorrect with every fiber of your being.

Its so there and so obvious it used to make me laugh but now I just pity you. And I am quite serious about this. I know how often you come in here and drunk post. I can only imagine but quite frankly it smacks of self medication. Be careful, you don't want to hurt anyone or yourself.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I get it enough to know that if I'm in the middle of a 4 month interview process with millions of dollar on the line that I'm not going to openly and willingly associate myself with one of the most notorious and nefarious characters in the history of my profession for everyone to see. Especially when there are already a lot of question marks and concerns from prospective employers about my character. The stupidity is staggering and indicative of the poor decision making skills I'm talking about.



I knew enough about character to foresee that PacMan and Tank were going to end in disaster in Dallas and were going to continue their already well established pattern of behavior, while you were heading their bandwagons and defending them in post after post after post. How did that work out? So maybe you shouldn't be the one pointing fingers and lecturing about the inability to judge character and naivete. You haven't proven yourself to be exactly qualified in that area.

Tank failed because he freelanced. He is still employed in the NFL and has had no serious issues. Certainly nothing criminal.

And what criminal act has Bryant ever done to put them in the same category as them?

You can try and ignore that but you did say

his problems aren't going to end any time soon. I'm not suggesting shootout in a stripclub, but there will be always something going on that keeps him in the headlines because he's going to keep making bad decisions for a while until life teaches him lessons the hardway

 

[Sarge]

Some of you guys need to become familiar with the ignore button. Seriously.

 

[theogt]

Antrelle Rolle and Jarius Byrd's pass defended stats do. Jared Gaither's sack totals do. Patrick Willis' tackle totals do.

What are the definitions for each organization for recording these statistics?

If you define giving up a sack differently than someone else, it affects the totals. Similar for tackles, passes defended, etc. The difference is only relevant if they have the same definition.