Dez Bryant defends reputation

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What are the definitions for each organization for recording these statistics?

If you define giving up a sack differently than someone else, it affects the totals. Similar for tackles, passes defended, etc. The difference is only relevant if they have the same definition.

Whats funny is now you are using the bait and switch. Before it was you haven't shown that they do deviate from each other, now its theyre different so it doesn't matter. We both know you concede the point.

But, what are they theo? Do you know? Let me guess you got the mythical email that you somehow just cannot explain the contents of.

Whatever, theo. You keep on with your intellectually dishonest self. I am bored of pointing out your ad hominem, red herrings and similar lame tactics.

 

[theogt]

Whats funny is now you are using the bait and switch. Before it was you haven't shown that they do deviate from each other, now its theyre different so it doesn't matter. We both know you concede the point.

But, what are they theo? Do you know? Let me guess you got the mythical email that you somehow just cannot explain the contents of.

Whatever, theo. You keep on with your intellectually dishonest self. I am bored of pointing out your ad hominem, red herrings and similar lame tactics.

Intellectual dishonesty is attempting to discredit a source, but not wanting to go through all the steps necessary to do so. It's not my job to make your argument for you. If you're too lazy to go through all the steps, I can't help you.

First you have to point out a difference. Then you have to point to that difference being due to error and not due to some other explanation. When you do this, I'll listen.

Looks like you'll never actually get around to this, however. And that's not surprising. You have no idea if they're accurate or not. You just don't want them to be because their statistics don't fit your amateur football analysis. That's the difference between you and me. I don't care if the evidence validates my opinion or not, because I don't form an opinion before looking at the evidence. I actually base my opinion on the evidence. *THAT* is intellectual honesty. You, however, form an opinion based on almost no evidence whatsoever and attempt to discredit any evidence that is contrary to your opinion. *THAT* is intellectual dishonestly.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you want to discredit them, you have to go through all the steps necessary to do so. It's not my job to make your argument for you. If you're too lazy to go through all the steps, I can't help you.

First you have to point out a difference. Then you have to point to that difference being due to error and not due to some other explanation. When you do this, I'll listen.

Looks like you'll never actually get around to this, however.

My amatuerish football analysis? Thats the difference between you and me? Dude seriously listen to yourself. You have issues.

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Actually when you have a source you validate them.

Quite frankly, we have been through this before.

What is obvious here is that they use interpretative statistics and you have no clue how they derive them. Your smugness is not convincing.

They deviate greatly from the industry accepted norm yet you have no hesitation in citing them over and over again Your best justification is that 'they put a lot of time into it.'

It obviously chapped your hide when I said I didn't like you. Your shunning routine was adorable I must say.

Quite frankly you're irritating. One thing that is abundantly obvious is that all you care about are you narcissistic tendencies. You are emotionally unable to concede a point. Sure you'll ignore them or you will discount them as unimportant but you just cannot do it.

Then you have your mindless delusions and zero sum tendencies. It really is pointless to even have an intelligent discussion with you. Sarge is right.

Before I click add to ignore list, I am quite serious about your self medicating. Its dangerous.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Thats fine. But CJ when he talks about:



what do you think he is saying Bryant is going to do?

He is all but saying that Bryant is going to commit criminal acts and get in trouble because of them. Maybe not a shooting but he will do something according to IR.

As far as I can see he has never committed a criminal act. Have you?

see to you inman is saying one thing and to me he is saying another


to me he is saying which is true, till Dez realizes now that wherever he goes or whatever he does, just like Martellus Bennett, he is going to be watched and judged out he acts, besides football. Which in reality isnt fair, because your own private life, should be no body's business but your own. Yet, he will be judged right Fuzzy? Thats not saying Bennett is a bad person, or will break the law or get in jail etc.. that to me is saying, he doesnt realize yet, now that he is in the limelight, his life isnt his own anymore. Its the fans, the media's, the cowboys etc... you have to figure out how to handle that in life.

To me thats what Inman was saying. M Bennett hasnt been arrested or done bad things, he just makes some poor decisions. Does Bennett realize yet that his life will reflect on who he might marry one day, yet, stuff like that No!

So, Bennett makes silly decisions. To me thats what Inman was saying.

 

[cowboyjoe]

How's life treating you, Joe?

treating me fine Theogt, I am having a ball using the smiles stuff.

How are you doing?

Oh by the way, way back their i asked, but are you a writer, and someone said one time, they thought you were JJT that writes dallas cowboys news stuff for DMN, are you that person?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

see to you inman is saying one thing and to me he is saying another


to me he is saying which is true, till Dez realizes now that wherever he goes or whatever he does, just like Martellus Bennett, he is going to be watched and judged out he acts, besides football. Which in reality isnt fair, because your own private life, should be no body's business but your own. Yet, he will be judged right Fuzzy? Thats not saying Bennett is a bad person, or will break the law or get in jail etc.. that to me is saying, he doesnt realize yet, now that he is in the limelight, his life isnt his own anymore. Its the fans, the media's, the cowboys etc... you have to figure out how to handle that in life.

To me thats what Inman was saying. M Bennett hasnt been arrested or done bad things, he just makes some poor decisions. Does Bennett realize yet that his life will reflect on who he might marry one day, yet, stuff like that No!

So, Bennett makes silly decisions. To me thats what Inman was saying.

Do you have any idea why he was at Jones' workout?

Bennett had a history of 'speaking his mind' to the media. He has continued this trend.

Before, I made a mistake. That newspaper was wrong on him issing his workout and I automatically assumed the worst. That was bad.

People around here don't see that as such.

I really don't know what Pacman has been doing for the past year+. I do not know the nature of the relationship between he and Bryant. What I do know is that its not very responsible to make the worst possible assumptions as my previous mistake highlights.

I think you are honestly good and humble person, cj. Sometimes it makes me want to throttle you but hey what can I say.

You however don't assume the worst. Bryant has lied to NCAA people about Deion Sanders, he was late to meetings three years ago, and he showed up at Jones' workout.

Personally if I had to guess I would say they work out together. Pacman and he both have a history with Sanders. Beyond that I just do not know. And I refuse to assume that a guy that obviously has gone through so much is going to fail especially when it doesn't impact me and I do not have all the information.

People around here are more than willing to do that. They joke and make light of it but I personally think its meanspirited.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Things change.

We also didn't win a playoff game in a very long time.

Miles Austin and then who?

After another year of Roy flopping around the other spot will be wide open.

Bryant can work his way into the offense this season and then be ready for a starting role come 2011. Add in Ogletree who looks to have a nice upside and we have the makings of a '2008/2009 Cardinals WR trio'.

That group killed it in 2008 and found themselves in the Super Bowl.

good post DC

 

[cboyd]

The Dez attending Pacmans work out is just a little overboard. It may be that Dez wanted to talk to scouts that were going to be in attendance. If you look at each of those teams that were going to attend each of them needed a reciever. It may have nothing to do with Pac man but taking the time to talk to scouts.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Do you have any idea why he was at Jones' workout?

Bennett had a history of 'speaking his mind' to the media. He has continued this trend.

Before, I made a mistake. That newspaper was wrong on him issing his workout and I automatically assumed the worst. That was bad.

People around here don't see that as such.

I really don't know what Pacman has been doing for the past year+. I do not know the nature of the relationship between he and Bryant. What I do know is that its not very responsible to make the worst possible assumptions as my previous mistake highlights.

I think you are honestly good and humble person, cj. Sometimes it makes me want to throttle you but hey what can I say.

You however don't assume the worst. Bryant has lied to NCAA people about Deion Sanders, he was late to meetings three years ago, and he showed up at Jones' workout.

Personally if I had to guess I would say they work out together. Pacman and he both have a history with Sanders. Beyond that I just do not know. And I refuse to assume that a guy that obviously has gone through so much is going to fail especially when it doesn't impact me and I do not have all the information.


People around here are more than willing to do that. They joke and make light of it but I personally think its meanspirited.

I dont think he will fail, as much as he has overcome in his life up to date, dont see that, but until he gets someone around him to help him with interviews, what to say and what to say, prepare him and coach him in these areas, then i think he will do fine. Then, on top of that, it all depends where he winds up, what team and help they have around him to prepare him for the big circus media atmosphere.

In other words its kinda like taking a guy that has grown up in the backwoods in the hills, and you stick him in New York City. he is going to be lost right?

On the media that twists stuff i totally agree with that some do. Just like Jay Ratlliff, he only talks to a few,and remember most of the players last year learned not to talk to. My mind is a blank right now, cant think of the big mouth guy from espn, the guy with the little mustache, I cant stand him, but just like another media guy, he tried to stir up trouble one day on false rumor, I chewed him out royally but good. Thats what some of them do, but not all of them, guys like Brad Sham, Brian Broaddus, Babe Laufenberg,etc.. they tell it like it is. A few other writers on this board too. But yes, some writers do that and it was wrong when he did that, but thats what Inman and I am pointing to, Dez will be in the spotllight now and he has to be aware. Is it right now, but he has to be ready for it. He will get millions of dollars in his career, it goes with the territory.

I would still think thats its something that either Deion Sanders or Eugene Parker cooked up to have Dez there at pacman workout. Possibly for him to meet some agents and scouts, get a feel more for interviews etc. See what its like when you do the things that Pacman did and how much he has fallen from Pro Football.

Again, I dont know that, but I dont think Eugene Parker would do something like that which isnt real bright unless he had some motive to teach Dez.

But Fuzzy, see thats the big picture, players now almost have to have a short degree in what to deal with in life. Kinda like a few years back, they had some feature for players on how women will approach the players, how for the players to deal with that, and not sucumb to.

Just like Bennett, he still sticks his foot in his mouth, he hasnt learned, thats what I am talking about, and that what I think Inman was talking about. Just like now, (I dont have one, but you have all of these phones with recorders, take pictures etc... just like a year ago, some star talked real badly to his daugher on the phone, it got aired. So, players have to learn how to deal with that or they will keep getting in trouble, misunderstood or taken advantage of.

I dont think anyone on this board wished Dez any bad luck or anything like that, but the best for him, but again, you have to do your homework on him, his background, so if you do draft him, you have things in place to help him deal with certain issues.

Kinda like with T O, you would think after all of these years, he would have learned to keep his mouth shut, and be a team player. Some people just dont get it and grow up.

I think you would agree with me to, we need to hit with that number one draft choice or if we trade down some, to hit on those top 3 picks. We need help now, we cant wait 3 years like it is taking M Bennett to grow up right?

Thats why i suggested Michael Irvin to help tutor Dez, since Dez liked Irvin growing up, and Michael knows how the media works, can teach him a thing or 2 about that, and pass catching. etc...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I dont think he will fail, as much as he has overcome in his life up to date, dont see that, but until he gets someone around him to help him with interviews, what to say and what to say, prepare him and coach him in these areas, then i think he will do fine. Then, on top of that, it all depends where he winds up, what team and help they have around him to prepare him for the big circus media atmosphere.

In other words its kinda like taking a guy that has grown up in the backwoods in the hills, and you stick him in New York City. he is going to be lost right?

I would still think thats its something that either Deion Sanders or Eugene Parker cooked up to have Dez there at pacman workout. Possibly for him to meet some agents and scouts, get a feel more for interviews etc. See what its like when you do the things that Pacman did and how much he has fallen from Pro Football.

Again, I dont know that, but I dont think Eugene Parker would do something like that which isnt real bright unless he had some motive to teach Dez.

But Fuzzy, see thats the big picture, players now almost have to have a short degree in what to deal with in life. Kinda like a few years back, they had some feature for players on how women will approach the players, how for the players to deal with that, and not sucumb to.

Just like Bennett, he still sticks his foot in his mouth, he hasnt learned, thats what I am talking about, and that what I think Inman was talking about. Just like now, (I dont have one, but you have all of these phones with recorders, take pictures etc... just like a year ago, some star talked real badly to his daugher on the phone, it got aired. So, players have to learn how to deal with that or they will keep getting in trouble, misunderstood or taken advantage of.

I dont think anyone on this board wished Dez any bad luck or anything like that, but the best for him, but again, you have to do your homework on him, his background, so if you do draft him, you have things in place to help him deal with certain issues.

Kinda like with T O, you would think after all of these years, he would have learned to keep his mouth shut, and be a team player. Some people just dont get it and grow up.

I think you would agree with me to, we need to hit with that number one draft choice or if we trade down some, to hit on those top 3 picks. We need help now, we cant wait 3 years like it is taking M Bennett to grow up right?

Thats why i suggested Michael Irvin to help tutor Dez, since Dez liked Irvin growing up, and Michael knows how the media works, can teach him a thing or 2 about that, and pass catching. etc...

I don't see why you think its a good idea to have Irvin tutor him and not Sanders.

I love Irvin but he has a long and chronicled history of philandering and substance abuse. He may not be as over the top self absorbed as Deion but he certainly is up there. Hes a WR I guess.

Sanders grew up in a similar environment as Bryant in Ft Myers and quite frankly he has really never gotten into any trouble and is certainly the best cover corner of all time.

To me there are 4 things you need to worry about from a character perspective:

1) Substance abuse - other than Cover2's contact, there has not been a single peep or even innuendo about this being an issue.

2) Criminal activity - there has been not a single thing that leads anyone to believe he has ever even been involved in something of that nature.

3) Camraderie - to be honest I don't have a lot of information on this. I know Mike Gundy stood by him and there is that one scouting roport that said they came away thinking he as a nice kid.

4) Work ethic - This is obviously the major concern. He was late to practices at least in his freshman year. I personally don't think that he was after that but I don't have the information to be able to say one way or another with certainty.

But really, what is it that your afraid he might do? Thats what it boils down to to me.

 

[DFWJC]

Bottom line, imo....
If Dez Bryant fell all the way to #27 int he draft, it would be a HUGE steal for whoever picked him in that slot.

I'm not sure that the Cowboys would be that team, but the value would be enormous.

 

[Apollo Creed]

He's better than Roy.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Bottom line, imo....
If Dez Bryant fell all the way to #27 int he draft, it would be a HUGE steal for whoever picked him in that slot.

I'm not sure that the Cowboys would be that team, but the value would be enormous.

see thats another very good point, if dez lasts that far, you may get offers from teams like the colts, rams, or lions, or tampa bay or kansas city with a ton of draft picks and they offer us the moon for our draft pick to move up

You never overlook a gift horse in the mouth so to speak, but you cover all angles,and options

 

[cowboyjoe]

I don't see why you think its a good idea to have Irvin tutor him and not Sanders.

I love Irvin but he has a long and chronicled history of philandering and substance abuse. He may not be as over the top self absorbed as Deion but he certainly is up there. Hes a WR I guess.

Sanders grew up in a similar environment as Bryant in Ft Myers and quite frankly he has really never gotten into any trouble and is certainly the best cover corner of all time.



But really, what is it that your afraid he might do? Thats what it boils down to to me.

Yeah but sanders was the one that got Dez in trouble and suspended. Thats a huge mark against Deion right there.

What I am afraid of, I am not afraid he would get in trouble with the law, or do drugs or something dumb like that. He has overcome way to much in his life to do that. Yet, he does some silly things or whatever you want to call it, which gets him into trouble
1. late to a group of meetings and suspended for a game
2. I do not know about the being drunk issue, but its still a red flag u have to check out
3. Lied to the NCAA and got with Deion which he knew he should have not done
4. Went to the pacman workout, which he should have not done
5. Not being in shape for the combine, and not run
6. Having to put his pro day back 5 days, (I understand the hamstring issue, but you have to look at it with the scouts and gms, he had after he was suspeneded to be in shape and ready to go for the combine, he wasnt, he even left some interviews supposedly and didnt finish. If that is true why?
Back to the putting proday back 5 days he had all of november, december, january, february and march to be ready and in top shape, he wasnt, that raises more red flags, like what is going to happen when he gets all that money etc, if he going to show up and be ready etc.. Again, I am not saying he is totally wrong on this, he had a lot of help, his family issues they had, his high schoool coach not being tough on him and other former Lufkin players like Reggie McNeal, Javorski Lane, Terrence Kiel etc..., and wahtever happened at Oklahoma St. with their coaches etc..

But this raises flags and you have to do interviews now, even fly him in when you shouldnt have had to do in the first place for just a visit, etc...

If you get my drift. Dont misunderstand me, I am pulling for him because he is from Lufkin, but If i was to say this is the greatest kid ever, all the stuff is a bunch of BS etc and it wasnt, I would be lying to you, to Dez and zoners etc. You have to be honest, face up to your failures, or mistakes and grow up.

We just have to hit on that first round draft choice as well as the 2nd and 3rd, why, we lost our 1st and 3rd last year for Roy Williams who to some degree hasnt grown up, and is living off of his Texas reputation and his one year in Detriot where he played good. Even Roy will tell you, he got blasted from his family and friends, he even had to go back to the jug machine to get to catching the ball etc. He should have been doing that in the first place, not wait around

Thats my concern! And reality, you have to hit with that draft choice or it will put you behind 3 to 4 years.
These things add up against him,along with the other rumors and red flags.

So, you have to do your homework on him. This is where I trust our scouts, and you have to live by your draft board, you never reach and you believe in your scouts. Just like if i was the owner of the Cowboys, had a ton of money like he does etc.. For my scouts I would have Ciwoski our top head scout, Brian Broaddus, Hostile, SilverBear, BigGems, DCFanatic, and their majority vote would be who we would draft, I would have some say so, but I would tend to lean moreto my scouts and head coach who i wanted as head coach.

You cant let your ego get in the way, you have to face up to reality, what you see and hear and check things out, then you draft, never ever reach for a player, but you draft wisely.