Dez Contract Speculations

[xwalker]

Your opinion is duly noted but I totally disagree.. Teams are salivating at the thought of having a Dez Bryant to add to their arsenal.. Him only playing 8 games insures he has less miles on his body...

You guys gotta think outside the box here...

Another team can have him right now for 2 first round picks.

 

[CF74]

I don't have any hate for the player. The Cowboys are doing what good teams do. They stay unemotional and operate as effectively as possible under the rules of the CBA.

You are just emotionally tied to he player and can't accept that the Cowboys are making logical decisions.

Jerry operated on emotion for many years and the results were terrible. The Cowboys ended up with many moronic contracts because of Jerry's emotional attachment to players.

If I hate anybody it's not Dez, it is moronic fans.

So let me get this straight. If a fan realizes a star player is being underpaid and believes he should make a stand for his true value that's being emotional and moronic? Everybody should just fall in line and take what the upper elite dictate correct? Well I for one don't think much of cowardly sheeple...

 

[CF74]

I did watch him.

You're very foolish if you think he can just skip 8 games to start the season (which would include skipping the preseason, all the accompanying practices, training camp, film study, etc) and then just drop right into Game #9 and pick up right where he left off in 2014.

At his level there would not be very much of a drop off.. It's not like he's just sitting around getting fat, dude is still training on his own. He can probably (If he hasn't already) hire a camp arm to throw passes to him. It's not like he doesn't already know the routes..

Dez at 80% is still head and shoulders above everybody on the majority of every roster in the entire league...

 

[xwalker]

So let me get this straight. If a fan realizes a star player is being underpaid and believes he should make a stand for his true value that's being emotional and moronic? Everybody should just fall in line and take what the upper elite dictate correct? Well I for one don't think much of cowardly sheeple...

The players agreed to the CBA. If they don't like it, then rally support to get it changed.

The Cowboys are following the CBA. They are not breaking any rules or doing anything that was not agreed to by the players.

It is emotional and moronic to expect the Cowboys to way overpay a player, when fans don't understand the rules, when fans call anybody that is being logical and unemotional a hater, when fans compare a player getting paid 12.8M and 2nd highest at his position to communism. That is an insult to the millions of people who suffered great atrocities due to communism.

 

[CF74]

Another team can have him right now for 2 first round picks.

Source or more speculation for the discussion?

I have only found this:
NFL Media's Albert Breer reported that the tag is non-exclusive, per a source who's seen the paperwork. This means that Bryant can negotiate with other teams, and the Cowboys have the right to match any offer, or receive two first-round picks as compensation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475763/article/dallas-cowboys-franchise-tag-dez-bryant

If this were true we'd be hearing rumblings of other teams inquiring about him at the very least.. Maybe that's why that bogus video story was leaked to deter suitors. Jerry is the only wildcatter in the league...


Here's some more speculation:
One really interesting wrinkle: CBSSports.com's Joel Corry recently suggested on the Eye on Football podcast (subscribe here, listen to us talk about Dez' tag in the player above) that Bryant's camp could demand a clause in his franchise tender where he could only be tagged once.

Bryant would likely be willing to sign right away at that point and it would put a lot of pressure on the Cowboys to work a deal out before July 15. Otherwise Dez could play out the string, have a monster year and hit free agency. He'd command Calvin Johnson money on the open market.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...ill-franchise-tag-dez-bryant-5-things-to-know

It's ALL Speculation at this point...............

 

[Rogah]

Source or more speculation for the discussion?

I have only found this:
NFL Media's Albert Breer reported that the tag is non-exclusive, per a source who's seen the paperwork. This means that Bryant can negotiate with other teams, and the Cowboys have the right to match any offer, or receive two first-round picks as compensation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475763/article/dallas-cowboys-franchise-tag-dez-bryant

If this were true we'd be hearing rumblings of other teams inquiring about him at the very least.. Maybe that's why that bogus video story was leaked to deter suitors. Jerry is the only wildcatter in the league...


Here's some more speculation:
One really interesting wrinkle: CBSSports.com's Joel Corry recently suggested on the Eye on Football podcast (subscribe here, listen to us talk about Dez' tag in the player above) that Bryant's camp could demand a clause in his franchise tender where he could only be tagged once.

Bryant would likely be willing to sign right away at that point and it would put a lot of pressure on the Cowboys to work a deal out before July 15. Otherwise Dez could play out the string, have a monster year and hit free agency. He'd command Calvin Johnson money on the open market.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...ill-franchise-tag-dez-bryant-5-things-to-know

It's ALL Speculation at this point...............

Sure sounds pretty official to me:

Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones had said Friday that the team had informed Bryant's agent that he would receive the tender. The Cowboys did not use the exclusive franchise tag on Bryant, but a team would have to give up two first-round picks if Dallas chooses not to match an offer sheet.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...wboys-officially-use-franchise-tag-dez-bryant

 

[CF74]

The players agreed to the CBA. If they don't like it, then rally support to get it changed.

The Cowboys are following the CBA. They are not breaking any rules or doing anything that was not agreed to by the players.

It is emotional and moronic to expect the Cowboys to way overpay a player, when fans don't understand the rules, when fans call anybody that is being logical and unemotional a hater, when fans compare a player getting paid 12.8M and 2nd highest at his position to communism. That is an insult to the millions of people who suffered great atrocities due to communism.

I never said they were breaking rules in fact I stated the Tag is kind of a loop hole for the sake of making analogies...

Everything is "Legal" but not everything is expedient..

Small numbers have always stood up to masses, you act like my minority view is wrong simply because it's not common to the majority. That's a fallacy it it's own right...

 

[Rogah]

At his level there would not be very much of a drop off.. It's not like he's just sitting around getting fat, dude is still training on his own. He can probably (If he hasn't already) hire a camp arm to throw passes to him. It's not like he doesn't already know the routes..

The fact that you think it is that simple shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the game.

Dez at 80% is still head and shoulders above everybody on the majority of every roster in the entire league...

Dez at 80% will not receive as big of an offer on the open market at Dez at 100%. Like I said, missing half the season will hurt his value.

 

[CF74]

Sure sounds pretty official to me:

Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones had said Friday that the team had informed Bryant's agent that he would receive the tender. The Cowboys did not use the exclusive franchise tag on Bryant, but a team would have to give up two first-round picks if Dallas chooses not to match an offer sheet.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...wboys-officially-use-franchise-tag-dez-bryant

Yes we know he was tagged but we don't know which type of tag, exclusive or non-exclusive. That article was written with a future tense but nobody has seen the actual docs...

The Dallas Cowboys informed the agent for Dez Bryant on Friday that they will place the franchise tag on the All-Pro wide receiver by Monday's deadline, executive vice president Stephen Jones confirmed.

 

[Rogah]

Yes we know he was tagged but we don't know which type of tag, exclusive or non-exclusive. That article was written with a future tense but nobody has seen the actual docs...

Uh, the sentence:

"The Cowboys did not use the exclusive franchise tag on Bryant,"

is not written in the future tense.

 

[CF74]

The fact that you think it is that simple shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the game.
Dez at 80% will not receive as big of an offer on the open market at Dez at 100%. Like I said, missing half the season will hurt his value.

The thing that hurt his value was the bogus video story but that's a whole different discussion.. Are you going to keep repeating yourself?

 

[CF74]

Uh, the sentence:

"The Cowboys did not use the exclusive franchise tag on Bryant,"

is not written in the future tense.

Have you seen the legal docs? That article was written before it actually happened...

 

[Rogah]

Have you seen the legal docs? That article was written before it actually happened...

Sure thing, buddy. Every single article written about this situation by every sports media outlet is wrong, but you're the one who is right.

 

[CF74]

Sure thing, buddy. Every single article written about this situation by every sports media outlet is wrong, but you're the one who is right.

Show me. Nothing concretely shows what type of tag was implemented. You do realize he hasn't even signed it yet right? That means it can be changed so it's a moot point till July 15th...

#MoreSpeculation

 

[xwalker]

Source or more speculation for the discussion?

I have only found this:
NFL Media's Albert Breer reported that the tag is non-exclusive, per a source who's seen the paperwork. This means that Bryant can negotiate with other teams, and the Cowboys have the right to match any offer, or receive two first-round picks as compensation.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475763/article/dallas-cowboys-franchise-tag-dez-bryant

If this were true we'd be hearing rumblings of other teams inquiring about him at the very least.. Maybe that's why that bogus video story was leaked to deter suitors. Jerry is the only wildcatter in the league...


Here's some more speculation:
One really interesting wrinkle: CBSSports.com's Joel Corry recently suggested on the Eye on Football podcast (subscribe here, listen to us talk about Dez' tag in the player above) that Bryant's camp could demand a clause in his franchise tender where he could only be tagged once.

Bryant would likely be willing to sign right away at that point and it would put a lot of pressure on the Cowboys to work a deal out before July 15. Otherwise Dez could play out the string, have a monster year and hit free agency. He'd command Calvin Johnson money on the open market.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...ill-franchise-tag-dez-bryant-5-things-to-know

It's ALL Speculation at this point...............

It is common knowledge that he is on the non-exclusive Tag. That was covered in depth back when they first tagged him. Any team can sign him if they want to give up 2 first round picks. That can happen up until July 15th. Now that the 2015 draft is over, those picks would be 2016/2017 which is even better for a team that might want him that it was before the 2015 draft when they would have been required to give up a 2015 and 2016 pick.

Calvin Johnson at the time he signed his contract was the undisputed #1 WR in the league. Dez is not the undisputed #1 WR in the league.

That fact that the Lions went nuts and overpaid CJ is not proof of the market value of other WRs.

The Cowboys don't have to agree to anything in terms of not Franchising him next season. He really have not significant leverage.

It does not seem fair that Zack Martin is an All-Pro but is getting paid 2.2M average while a far inferior player like Doug Free is getting paid 5M average. That is how the system works. The Franchise Tag is part of that system. Poor ole Ron Leary was terrific last year and was part of arguably the best OL in the league and he only got 500K as an ERFA this season.

If you really want to get in "fair", consider all of the people that developed the technology that we all use today. Personal computers, the internet, smart phones, tablets, etc.,. etc. The vast majority of those people, despite being in the upper 20% of intelligence relative to the worlds population, probably averaged less than 100K per year while developing all of that great technology. That's just how the system works and they've accepted that athletes that score a 6 on the Wonderlic get paid millions before they ever prove anything. That's how the system works. I'm sure most of those people do whatever they can within the rules to maximize their own pay; however, I don't think they go around crying that it's communism.

 

[CF74]

It is common knowledge that he is on the non-exclusive Tag. That was covered in depth back when they first tagged him. Any team can sign him if they want to give up 2 first round picks. That can happen up until July 15th. Now that the 2015 draft is over, those picks would be 2016/2017 which is even better for a team that might want him that it was before the 2015 draft when they would have been required to give up a 2015 and 2016 pick.

Calvin Johnson at the time he signed his contract was the undisputed #1 WR in the league. Dez is not the undisputed #1 WR in the league.

That fact that the Lions went nuts and overpaid CJ is not proof of the market value of other WRs.

The Cowboys don't have to agree to anything in terms of not Franchising him next season. He really have not significant leverage.

It does not seem fair that Zack Martin is an All-Pro but is getting paid 2.2M average while a far inferior player like Doug Free is getting paid 5M average. That is how the system works. The Franchise Tag is part of that system. Poor ole Ron Leary was terrific last year and was part of arguably the best OL in the league and he only got 500K as an ERFA this season.

If you really want to get in "fair", consider all of the people that developed the technology that we all use today. Personal computers, the internet, smart phones, tablets, etc.,. etc. The vast majority of those people, despite being in the upper 20% of intelligence relative to the worlds population, probably averaged less than 100K per year while developing all of that great technology. That's just how the system works and they've accepted that athletes that score a 6 on the Wonderlic get paid millions before they ever prove anything. That's how the system works. I'm sure most of those people do whatever they can within the rules to maximize their own pay; however, I don't think they go around crying that it's communism.

Show me two things: The contract filed, where I used the word "Fair."

Martin is under the indentured servitude rookie contract, apples to oranges here.

There's only one article that says the Cowboys used the non-exclusive tag and it was written before the tag was filed.

The truth is that we don't really know for certain but it's appropriate for the Speculation thread...

 

[xwalker]

Show me two things: The contract filed, where I used the word "Fair."

Martin is under the indentured servitude rookie contract, apples to oranges here.

There's only one article that says the Cowboys used the non-exclusive tag and it was written before the tag was filed.

The truth is that we don't really know for certain but it's appropriate for the Speculation thread...

Now you're trying to argue against something that is a simple fact...

1. The fact that his number is 12.8M indicates that it is the non-exclusive tag. The exclusive tag is about 13.9M.

2. If you paid attention around here, you would know that I'm not going to BS you on numbers and facts.

3. Here are several links that reference Dez and the non-exclusive tag:

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article12959024.html

http://newsok.com/dallas-cowboys-franchise-tag-wr-dez-bryant/article/5397815

http://amarillo.com/sports/pro-sports/2015-03-02/cowboys-place-franchise-tag-wr-bryant

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2015/03/06/mailbag-exclusive-vs-non-exclusive-tag-looking-wilfork

4. The exclusive tag is only about 1M more but the Cowboys did not use it. That tells you they were not worried about another team signing him away.

5. I understand that not everyone has the time or inclination to be completely informed; however, I don't understand why the uninformed can't recognize that other people are informed. When you don't really know what you're talking about, it might be a good idea to show some deference to other people.

 

[CF74]

Now you're trying to argue against something that is a simple fact...

1. The fact that his number is 12.8M indicates that it is the non-exclusive tag. The exclusive tag is about 13.9M.

2. If you paid attention around here, you would know that I'm not going to BS you on numbers and facts.

3. Here are several links that reference Dez and the non-exclusive tag:

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article12959024.html

http://newsok.com/dallas-cowboys-franchise-tag-wr-dez-bryant/article/5397815

http://amarillo.com/sports/pro-sports/2015-03-02/cowboys-place-franchise-tag-wr-bryant

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2015/03/06/mailbag-exclusive-vs-non-exclusive-tag-looking-wilfork

4. The exclusive tag is only about 1M more but the Cowboys did not use it. That tells you they were not worried about another team signing him away.

5. I understand that not everyone has the time or inclination to be completely informed; however, I don't understand why the uninformed can't recognize that other people are informed. When you don't really know what you're talking about, it might be a good idea to show some deference to other people.

Good job kid, you finally presented facts in a meaningful light..

Here's a tip young man: Instead acting holier than though and condescending all the time, inform your audience with some humility, patience, and wisdom..

And then people will know who you are.. Somebody with some worth finally...

 

[erod]

The whole league is reevaluating what a wide receiver's value is worth. None of the big names have been signed.

Teams keep winning without them, and elite receivers aren't winning championships.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The whole league is reevaluating what a wide receiver's value is worth. None of the big names have been signed.

Teams keep winning without them, and elite receivers aren't winning championships.

Calvin Johnson's deal just about knocked the earth off it's axis. Hopefully these 4 big name WR's can get everything back closer to where they should be.