Dez creating more separation this year

[Stash]

So your contention is that anytime something is recorded as a target that it is a legitimate opportunity for the receiver to make a play?

Dak had to spike a pass into Zeke's feet on Sunday to avoid a sack...that's a target. Are you arguing that was an opportunity for Zeke?

My "contention" is this:

5th highest paid receiver in the game

Tied for 9th in targets

43rd in receiving yards

Everything those numbers add up to is bad.

That's my "contention". Maybe now it will sink in for people.[/QUOTE]

 

[Stash]

Do you understand the selection bias you employed by using six games to define the quality of a five-year contract?

I never brought length of contract into the conversation. I'm talking about there here and now.

Is that where you now choose to reach?

 

[Kevinicus]

My "contention" is this:

5th highest paid receiver in the game

Tied for 9th in targets

43rd in receiving yards

Everything those numbers add up to is bad.

That's my "contention". Maybe now it will sink in for people.

So your contention is that you only look at numbers and not the reality behind them?

Your statement heavily implied that targets were the same as opportunities. You're still bolding the targets line as if they are representative of legitimate opportunities. Do you, or do you not, hold that targets and opportunities are the same?

 

[LocimusPrime]

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving#average-separation

Let me know if we can fetch u anything else. A pillow maybe? An ottoman? Please. Don’t get up.

My bro!

 

[perrykemp]

Julio is tied with him.

True.

I hadn't ever heard of this stat until today when I saw this thread.

I, like others, am left wondering if this is a meaningful stat or not.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Maybe the stay is meaningful, maybe not. Just wanted to give Dez a little shine. I treated him poorly

Teams are focusing more on taking away the underneath stuff to Beasley this year.

thats very true bro!

 

[Stash]

So your contention is that you only look at numbers and not the reality behind them?

The numbers are the "reality". You can choose to handle that "reality" or not.

Your statement heavily implied that targets were the same as opportunities. You're still bolding the targets line as if they are representative of legitimate opportunities. Do you, or do you not, hold that targets and opportunities are the same?

They are a clear indicator of "opportunity". Anything else is fan accuses and grasping at straws.

You now seek to impugn the measurement and statistic of targets because it paints a favorite player of yours in an unfavorable light. Again, shoot the messenger.

A common tactic.

 

[CowboyGil]

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I never brought length of contract into the conversation. I'm talking about there here and now.

Is that where you now choose to reach?

 

[Stash]

So glad you think so.

 

[River82]

How separation is calculated - "The distance (in yards) measured between a WR/TE and the nearest defender at the time of catch or incompletion."

Lol, yeah that's not what we talk about when we say "Dez can't get separation". What we mean is "can't get separation by the time Dak needs to decide to throw the ball" not "use of body and strength later on to get separation from the target".

 

[Kevinicus]

The numbers are the "reality". You can choose to handle that "reality" or not.



They are a clear indicator of "opportunity". Anything else is fan accuses and grasping at straws.

You now seek to impugn the measurement and statistic of targets because it paints a favorite player of yours in an unfavorable light. Again, shoot the messenger.

A common tactic.

Please explain how they are a clear indicator of opportunity. Sounds like a lot of assumptions to me.

You'd think if it was a clear indicator, then the number of incompletions and the number of drops would be similar

And numbers are a tiny, tiny part of the reality.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

How separation is calculated - "The distance (in yards) measured between a WR/TE and the nearest defender at the time of catch or incompletion."

Lol, yeah that's not what we talk about when we say "Dez can't get separation". What we mean is "can't get separation by the time Dak needs to decide to throw the ball" not "use of body and strength later on to get separation from the target".

Yeah, this only accounts for times Dez was thrown the ball, not considering the separation or lack thereof when Dak decides not to throw to Dez. With that said, Dez is one of the most targeted WRs in the league.

 

[sbark]

Now maybe if Garret/Linehan's "scheme" allowed for the use of the non-catching TE's to rub Dez's guys on a horiz route...................steal something from the Pats playbook just once........Dez's measured separation might be top 10

 

[CT Dal Fan]

My "contention" is this:

5th highest paid receiver in the game

Tied for 9th in targets

43rd in receiving yards

Everything those numbers add up to is bad.

That's my "contention". Maybe now it will sink in for people.

[/QUOTE]

I understand your side of the argument. But to be fair, Dez signed that deal when Romo was still here and the Cowboys were throwing the ball a lot more. This team has become more run-oriented since the Dak and Zeke era began. Plus, Dak doesn't force feed the ball to any specific player.

If anything, we should applaud Dez for not being selfish and complaining about his diminished role in this offense. Just my opinion.

 

[haleyrules]

I understand your side of the argument. But to be fair, Dez signed that deal when Romo was still here and the Cowboys were throwing the ball a lot more. This team has become more run-oriented since the Dak and Zeke era began. Plus, Dak doesn't force feed the ball to any specific player.

If anything, we should applaud Dez for not being selfish and complaining about his diminished role in this offense. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. He could be acting like the clown in Pittsburgh. Well, maybe not!!

 

[haleyrules]

Ha!! The only way Bryant creates more separation is if he pays the defenders to give him more room...and them maybe...

 

[stilltheguru88]

That drop he had last game is part of why I don’t defend him anymore. Enough is enough. I don’t hate him but I don’t really care about him anymore.

 

[xwalker]

So your contention is that you only look at numbers and not the reality behind them?

Your statement heavily implied that targets were the same as opportunities. You're still bolding the targets line as if they are representative of legitimate opportunities. Do you, or do you not, hold that targets and opportunities are the same?

All receivers have the same issue.

It's not as if Dez only gets opportunities on more difficult deep routes. Butler is the one that always gets the deep targets and his catch rate is very good.

If it was just a few percentage points difference then maybe you could find some legit excuses but Dez is so much worse than the other Cowboys receiving options, it's not even funny.

 

[dallasdave]

Just to be fair, I'd like to post something complementary! Go Dez....keep grinding.

Thank You