Dez: "I wish they (Cowboys) felt the same way"

[Wayne02]

Sorry, didn't realize I had to specify the team on a COWBOYS message board. If you're gonna be a smart*** at least be good at it.

I'm just pointing out the obvious, you're talking like it's your money.

 

[Nightman]

Why is anyone expecting that Dez is asking for anything less than Calvin money? The salary cap is expected to be between 20 and 23 million dollars higher than it was when Calvin signed his deal. And we think his agent wants less money than what Calvin signed for?

He is not quite as good as CJohnson and his salary was a product of the crazy old rookie pay scale when they had to give 64m with 27m guaranteed to a top 5 pick.

 

[Nation]

He is not quite as good as CJohnson and his salary was a product of the crazy old rookie pay scale when they had to give 64m with 27m guaranteed to a top 5 pick.

That was Calvin's rookie contract, the comparable being discussed is his current contract

 

[Nightman]

That was Calvin's rookie contract, the comparable being discussed is his current contract

His current contract was skewed by his rookie contract. Teams usually use 2 years of the Franchise tag as the basis for a new long term deal. Since his salary was so high, his tag was also very high. It was the same thing with Larry Fitzgerald.

They would've had to tag him for 26.4m for 2013 and 31.7m for 2014. That gave CJ all the leverage. The fact that the got him for 16m/yr and 48m guaranteed was a pretty fair deal. Almost 3.5 years for the cost of 2 years with the tag.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/37302/digging-deeper-into-calvin-johnsons-future

Dez would get 12.7m and 15.2m for the next two years with the franchise tag. It is not even close to CJ's level.

 

[Rockport]

lol like clockwork. So predictable, yet still funny.

Your welcome.

 

[camelboy]

Dez! they DO feel the same way you do. You both love money and want to keep as much as you can……

Second…what is this supposed to mean? you love the Cowboys and you wish they love the Cowboys too so throw loads of money on you and screw the other needs because if someone loves the Cowboys they need to prove it by keeping Dez with loads of Money? I don't get it

If you love the Cowboys and want to win with them then give them the chance to win..don't tie their hands with your money..it's not as if they are not gonna pay you millions anyway….no one can have it both ways…we need to sacrifice sometimes on one thing to get another...

 

[erod]

It's simple.

Dez can get his deal, but his agent isn't budging whatsoever.

So franchise him and be done with it. Next year, too, if needed.

Dallas is playing this brilliantly. Never, ever pay for past performance, and use every bit of leverage available.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Let's face it, Dez is a phenomonal reciever but he is an under educated, easily influenced knucklehead. Listen to the guy talk for two minutes and this whole thing makes so much more sense. I'd love for him to stay, he's a great reciever, but not at the expense of the FO being able to maintain the team around Dez.

I hope Stephen and Jerry stick with whats working. Making sound decisions with contracts and not overpaying ANYONE inlcluding Mr Dez.

 

[VACowboy]

Which way is the team supposed to feel, like they owe him whatever he wants? To me, it seems that if the team really wants Dez to stay and Dez really wants Dez to stay, they'll meet in the middle on a reasonable contract that's gonna let Dez keep food on the table and leave the team with money to improve at other positions. I don't get the "I wish they felt the same way" deal.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Let's face it, Dez is a phenomonal reciever but he is an under educated, easily influenced knucklehead. Listen to the guy talk for two minutes and this whole thing makes so much more sense. I'd love for him to stay, he's a great reciever, but not at the expense of the FO being able to maintain the team around Dez.

I hope Stephen and Jerry stick with whats working. Making sound decisions with contracts and not overpaying ANYONE inlcluding Mr Dez.

I do to. I have a suspicion this is more Stephen than Jerry. Jerry just throws players money and gambles the future. Stephen SEEMS more level headed. I hope Dez and the Cowboys get this worked out but not at the expense that it hurts our chances after next year. We are just to close to being the real deal. It's been way to long to blow it now.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Let's face it, Dez is a phenomonal reciever but he is an under educated, easily influenced knucklehead. Listen to the guy talk for two minutes and this whole thing makes so much more sense. I'd love for him to stay, he's a great reciever, but not at the expense of the FO being able to maintain the team around Dez.

I hope Stephen and Jerry stick with whats working. Making sound decisions with contracts and not overpaying ANYONE inlcluding Mr Dez.

This post is a little disturbing on many levels. More importantly they threw a boatload of cash at Romo without hesitation. I get it... he's a QB and very low maintenance. But at some point you have to pay elite talent. Hey I don't know where negotiations are at some point and I applaud our FO for making sound decisions of late. The amount of anti-Dez sentiment that is NOW surfacing when it's time to PAY is disturbing.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Dez! they DO feel the same way you do. You both love money and want to keep as much as you can……

Second…what is this supposed to mean? you love the Cowboys and you wish they love the Cowboys too so throw loads of money on you and screw the other needs because if someone loves the Cowboys they need to prove it by keeping Dez with loads of Money? I don't get it

If you love the Cowboys and want to win with them then give them the chance to win..don't tie their hands with your money..it's not as if they are not gonna pay you millions anyway….no one can have it both ways…we need to sacrifice sometimes on one thing to get another...

This is the part where you "put your money where your mouth is".... It's time to pay the man... Dez has seen teammates rewarded with huge deals without much hesitation... I get the business side and I'll stay patient while this gets worked out but I feel what Dez is saying also.

 

[Nightman]

This is the part where you "put your money where your mouth is".... It's time to pay the man... Dez has seen teammates rewarded with huge deals without much hesitation... I get the business side and I'll stay patient while this gets worked out but I feel what Dez is saying also.

Romo took less than market value on his extension
Lee took less than market value with clauses for missed games
TSmith took less than market value on a 10yr deal with similar guarantees offered to Dez
Free took a 50% pay cut to stay
They waived DWare when he wouldn't take a big enough cut
OScan and Church signed team friendly extensions
Melton took a prove it deal
Carr will likely have to take a pay cut

They aren't asking Dez to do anything others before him haven't done. He talks a big game, it's time to back it up.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

This post is a little disturbing on many levels. More importantly they threw a boatload of cash at Romo without hesitation. I get it... he's a QB and very low maintenance. But at some point you have to pay elite talent. Hey I don't know where negotiations are at some point and I applaud our FO for making sound decisions of late. The amount of anti-Dez sentiment that is NOW surfacing when it's time to PAY is disturbing.

I don't see a ton of anti Dez speak. I see fans that want him here but like the way the front office is now operating. Dez doesn't seem very smart and is probably very impressionable. It took him a few years to learn the routs and he's done dumb things in the past. That doesn't take away from where he is today but risk/reward has to be something the FO is thinking about. Dez is a big part of where the team is today, but he's not the only part. He might understand that, he might not.
I hope he wants to remain a Cowboy, but it has to be a good deal for all parties involved.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

I don't see a ton of anti Dez speak. I see fans that want him here but like the way the front office is now operating. Dez doesn't seem very smart and is probably very impressionable. It took him a few years to learn the routs and he's done dumb things in the past. That doesn't take away from where he is today but risk/reward has to be something the FO is thinking about. Dez is a big part of where the team is today, but he's not the only part. He might understand that, he might not.
I hope he wants to remain a Cowboy, but it has to be a good deal for all parties involved.

That's fair but I am noticing a lot of "character flaw" talk NOW surfacing. It's a business for all parties involved including Dez' camp. Hopefully this is all part of the process and everyone including fans walk away satisfied. I guess what I'm saying is that his percieved intelligence or lack there of hasn't really been an issue in terms of how he's related to fans, coaches, teammates etc.. and certainly not on the field. As I've seen posted recently whatever his issues have been/are are very low in the grand scheme in Cowboy player. At the end of the day, I'm just a huge fan of the kid and the way he plays. It just seems like some are putting him on trial NOW when it's time for the organization to reward him.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

That's fair but I am noticing a lot of "character flaw" talk NOW surfacing. It's a business for all parties involved including Dez' camp. Hopefully this is all part of the process and everyone including fans walk away satisfied. I guess what I'm saying is that his percieved intelligence or lack there of hasn't really been an issue in terms of how he's related to fans, coaches, teammates etc.. and certainly not on the field. As I've seen posted recently whatever his issues have been/are are very low in the grand scheme in Cowboy player. At the end of the day, I'm just a huge fan of the kid and the way he plays. It just seems like some are putting him on trial NOW when it's time for the organization to reward him.

Yeah, I am a little guilty of that myself. But in my defense, I have always been a little apprehensive of guys like him. Rough upbringing, influenced by the wrong people and such. He soured me a little with the "don't test my loyalties" statement. I think the Cowboys have done a lot for Dez. More than most would have done.
It is a business and he needs to do what's best for him and his future, but it's not like they don't care or respect him as he claims.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Yeah, I am a little guilty of that myself. But in my defense, I have always been a little apprehensive of guys like him. Rough upbringing, influenced by the wrong people and such. He soured me a little with the "don't test my loyalties" statement. I think the Cowboys have done a lot for Dez. More than most would have done.
It is a business and he needs to do what's best for him and his future, but it's not like they don't care or respect him as he claims.

I can respect that... he strikes me as one of those guys that's a little tempermental but channeled properly, it's a huge win for those that he trusts. There's a little give and take with special talents like this. We got away with one with Charles Haley. Maybe not the best parallel but he was run out of SF for his antics and behavior yet the final piece for our last SB era. I'm not going to attempt to psycho-analyze Dez.. but I want him on my side of the fight so to speak.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Players don't like the franchise tag. It's not a badge of honor. And no matter what we, joe fan, thinks, it's a business for players too. The tag limits their abilities to market themselves.

He's always said he didn't want the franchise tag. and he's never said anything unprofessional about it. The sign of loyalty from a player's perspective is to NOT franchise them. But it is what it is, I'm all for players getting theirs...

That said, I'm not worried about the talk between Dez and the team right now. If there haven't been any negotiations since the beginning of the season, I can't imagine a deal happening anytime soon when they haven't even made courtesy calls to one another. lol

I agree WG, I am for the players getting theirs.......its a rough sport and it takes a toll on the body. Some of these guys are barely going to be able to walk when they are 50 years old or they are going to have headaches everyday from all the concussions they got.

And I am in the medical field so trust me when I say that a concussion is just a fancy term for brain damage. You literally damage the lining of your brain when you have a concussion.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I agree WG, I am for the players getting theirs.......its a rough sport and it takes a toll on the body. Some of these guys are barely going to be able to walk when they are 50 years old or they are going to have headaches everyday from all the concussions they got.

And I am in the medical field so trust me when I say that a concussion is just a fancy term for brain damage. You literally damage the lining of your brain when you have a concussion.

I understand that and know a few older players that are proof of that first hand. But they know this going in, now so more than ever. It's what they chose to do, risks and all. It still doesn't mean because they feel they are the best at their position they need to cash themselves in ahead of the team. I don't know if that's the case here or not, no one does. Nut to claim in a tweet that the organization doesn't care as much as he does is bull.

 

[camelboy]

This is the part where you "put your money where your mouth is".... It's time to pay the man... Dez has seen teammates rewarded with huge deals without much hesitation... I get the business side and I'll stay patient while this gets worked out but I feel what Dez is saying also.

I am 100% with you and I really hope he gets paid more than any WR.. But as a fan my priority is the Dallas Cowboys and if paying Dez what he wants impacts the team structure/salary cap then let him go get his Money somewhere else. I will still cheer for him and like him but I want JJ/SJ/JG to put team priorities first.. As I said in another thread, the only exception to this rule si the QB, and although I am not the biggest fan of Romo, he is the best we can get and he is a top 5 QB anyways