Dez may hold out multiple games-Tom Condon

[Doomsday101]

Who claimed that he had a lot?

I just don't consider sitting much leverage unless the point is to damage himself.

 

[Jstopper]

I'm saying had you challenged me to a bet. You're the one who makes the challenges do you have anyone who can verify you pay up your bets? LOL

Obviously I would have someone to verify if @Floaty had taken me up on my bet but he didn't. So what you're saying makes no sense

 

[Zekeats]

He is not holding out at almost $1 million a game

 

[skinsscalper]

No because he is technically not under contract. Dez can sit at home with the tag in front of him, watch Dallas play football for 10 weeks then sign it and still collect $13mil.

Even worse...he can do this for two seasons back to back. Those are years that Romo can't afford to not compete for a title so it puts the Jones family in a quandary if you ask me.

This is so false that it's not even funny. Dez does NOT get the full 13 million after sitting out for 10 weeks, first of all. He gets the prorated portion of 6 games worth. The only thing he does get after sitting for 10 weeks is credit for the year under the franchise tag.

At that point I would tag his *** again and trade him to Cleveland or Jacksonville the following year. There ya go, Dez. Go "market your brand" in one of those **** holes. See ya.

 

[KJJ]

Obviously I would have someone to verify if @Floaty had taken me up on my bet but he didn't. So what you're saying makes no sense

The way you boldly challenge posters to bets leads me to believe you have no intention of paying them up especially when you claim you predicted a 12-4 season in 2014. As average as the Cowboys have looked prior to last season you would have been losing a lot of bets so someone is bound to have taken you up on at least one bet. Seriously dude until last season you would have been losing bets every year so there must be someone on this board that can verify if you pay up your bets or not. Are you going to tell me heading into last season was the only time you ever challenged anyone to a bet on this board?

 

[sacase]

This is completely incorrect. Paragraph 5 Salary refers to "compensation set forth in Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player Contract, or in any amendments thereto." This is defined clearly in the 2011 NFL CBA. Further, the language you refer to in Article 10 Section 2(e) is defining how the franchise dollar amount is calculated by the League. The next two paragraphs (f) and (g) breakdown the actual calculations as they apply to a particular player.

The confusion is easy since the legalize is overwhelming but Article 10 Section 2(e) is a definition of HOW to calculate the franchise amount per position and for certain players.

Its setting the definition of Salary used in article 10 (Franchise Players) If defines how a salary will be set. It will be prorated if the contract is signed after the first game. Its is not confusing, it is very clear. Please point out specifically where the CBA says the complete amount is guaranteed no matter when the contract is signed.

It would be stupid for the owners to agree as no player would sign until week 10 less wear and tear on the body plus a fat check for only 6 games work.

 

[USMarineVet]

You handle our disagreements well and we've had many but you and a few others like Percy don't allow my views to get under your skin. I expose the mentally weak here it's pretty amusing hearing the sound of the screws grinding inside their head at every opinion I have. LOL

I would love to know how many "mentally weak" you have on your block list. Seems to me, when pushed into a corner on Point/Counterpoint you zap the "mentally weak" into the corn field. That's pretty weak in itself. If you were "mentally strong" you would be able to debate with those you have issues with instead of eliminating them from your chat list.

 

[slick325]

He doesn't get the full amount if he misses 10 weeks. That would be absurd. He loses 800k per game missed.

Ok BK...thank you for the insight on this matter. Guess Article 10 Section 2(c) which states..."If a player subject to a Franchise Player designation accepts the Required Tender, the resulting Player Contract shall be fully guaranteed..." is not applicable.

I tried to explain earlier that should Dez sign before the season starts, then yes he can be subject to losing salary for the games missed should he hold out. Since Dez is not under contract at all he is not subject to any fines, lost salary, etc. Once he signs, whenever that is...the contract is fully guaranteed and he becomes subject to fines or losing salary should he hold out. Under the CBA in order for Dez to accrue a full year he must be on the active roster for 6 games...thus, he can sit for 10 games and still accrue a season played in the League and Article 10 Section 2(c) will apply.

The only ways the $13mil is not fully guaranteed is if: 1) Dallas withdraws the tender before Dez signs...making him an unrestricted free agent; and 2) Under Article 10 Section 2(c) the contract can be terminated if the player fails "to establish or maintain his excellent physical condition." Those are the ONLY ways that the player doesn't receive the FULLY GUARANTEED amount if they have been subject to a Franchise Player designation.

 

[slick325]

Its setting the definition of Salary used in article 10 (Franchise Players) If defines how a salary will be set. It will be prorated if the contract is signed after the first game. Its is not confusing, it is very clear. Please point out specifically where the CBA says the complete amount is guaranteed no matter when the contract is signed.

It would be stupid for the owners to agree as no player would sign until week 10 less wear and tear on the body plus a fat check for only 6 games work.

Ok...I'm done defining what fully guaranteed means and the only ways the owners can get out of it.

 

[skinsscalper]

Ok...I'm done defining what fully guaranteed means and the only ways the owners can get out of it.

What you should be done with is spreading false information. That would be a good start.

 

[USMarineVet]

 

[Nightman]

Ok BK...thank you for the insight on this matter. Guess Article 10 Section 2(c) which states..."If a player subject to a Franchise Player designation accepts the Required Tender, the resulting Player Contract shall be fully guaranteed..." is not applicable.

I tried to explain earlier that should Dez sign before the season starts, then yes he can be subject to losing salary for the games missed should he hold out. Since Dez is not under contract at all he is not subject to any fines, lost salary, etc. Once he signs, whenever that is...the contract is fully guaranteed and he becomes subject to fines or losing salary should he hold out. Under the CBA in order for Dez to accrue a full year he must be on the active roster for 6 games...thus, he can sit for 10 games and still accrue a season played in the League and Article 10 Section 2(c) will apply.

The only ways the $13mil is not fully guaranteed is if: 1) Dallas withdraws the tender before Dez signs...making him an unrestricted free agent; and 2) Under Article 10 Section 2(c) the contract can be terminated if the player fails "to establish or maintain his excellent physical condition." Those are the ONLY ways that the player doesn't receive the FULLY GUARANTEED amount if they have been subject to a Franchise Player designation.

It is fully guaranteed, but he has to show up to get it.

There is no reason not to sign after July 15th. It is his only logical option.

The right to skip the preseason is not worth risking the 12.8m if he gets hurt off site or gets in trouble with the league or law.

 

[rynochop]

Yeah, right....! lol

You must be one of the 9 people he doesnt have on ignore. So its no wonder he only has a problem with a few FANS.

 

[CyberB0b]

Forgoing payment today for much higher payment tomorrow isn't a fantasy. To suggest he has no leverage is ridiculous.

LOL, OK. Let's look at the facts (As I understand them. Correct me if I am wrong) :

• Dez has been franchised
• If Dez doesn't sign his franchise tender by the July deadline, he can't sign a long term deal until after the season
• If Dez starts sitting out games, assuming he doesn't sign his tag, he loses somewhere around 800k/game
• Dez can be franchised again
• Dez's franchise tag is fully guaranteed if he signs it.

Worst case scenario for Dez, is that he gets nothing and sits out a year and plays the same routine next year. If he signs the tag and shows up, he gets nearly 13 million.

Basically, it boils down to this: Get nothing or 13 million guaranteed. Who do you think has more leverage in this negotiation?

 

[slick325]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/28/10-things-to-know-about-the-franchise-tag/

Good piece by Florio. Of particular interest...

4. Franchise tags can be withdrawn.

The amount of the franchise tender becomes fully guaranteed once the player signs it. Since signing the franchise tender puts the player under contract, requiring him to show up to all mandatory offseason activities and training camp, some players choose to wait deep into the preseason before inking the offer.

The risk is that the franchise tag can be withdrawn, at any time, before it has been signed.

It doesn’t happen often, but it’s not unprecedented. Especially in Philly. In 2002, the Eagles pulled the franchise tag from linebacker Jeremiah Trotter in early April. Three years later, the Eagles removed the franchise tag from defensive tackle Corey Simon in late August.

The move immediately converts the player to an unrestricted free agent. But if it comes after the big money has been spent, the player will have a hard time getting the pay day he would have realized on the first day of free agency.

5. Franchise tender is guaranteed, with one exception.

Once a player signs the franchise tag, the one-year salary becomes fully guaranteed. But there’s a little-known exception.

Under Article 10, Section 2(c) of the CBA, the contract can be terminated if the player fails “to establish or maintain his excellent physical condition.”

Any effort to do so would result in a review of the situation by a neutral physician and, eventually and inevitably, arbitration. Still, the franchise tender technically isn’t fully and completely guaranteed.

 

[AzorAhai]

Ok...I'm done defining what fully guaranteed means and the only ways the owners can get out of it.

Your information about it being fully guaranteed even if he sits is completely wrong. People are trying to lead you to water, but only you can drink it. How many people need to tell you before you understand?

 

[rynochop]

Ok...I'm done defining what fully guaranteed means and the only ways the owners can get out of it.

I asked once, i.ll try again..name a player thats held out 10 games and came back and received his franchise tag money

 

[Galian Beast]

LOL, OK. Let's look at the facts (As I understand them. Correct me if I am wrong) :

Dez has been franchised
If Dez doesn't sign his franchise tender by the July deadline, he can't sign a long term deal until after the season
If Dez starts sitting out games, assuming he doesn't sign his tag, he loses somewhere around 800k/game
Dez can be franchised again
Dez's franchise tag is fully guaranteed if he signs it.

Worst case scenario for Dez, is that he gets nothing and sits out a year and plays the same routine next year. If he signs the tag and shows up, he gets nearly 13 million.

Basically, it boils down to this: Get nothing or 13 million guaranteed. Who do you think has more leverage in this negotiation?

I believe the deadline for the long term deal is only as it relates to 2015, not 2016 and beyond.

He doesn't want to play on the franchise tag as he wants long term financial stability. He can hold out until week 11 and still accrue a season.

The idea that the Cowboys aren't leveraged by one of their best players sitting out, is ridiculous.

 

[AzorAhai]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/28/10-things-to-know-about-the-franchise-tag/

Good piece by Florio. Of particular interest...

4. Franchise tags can be withdrawn.

The amount of the franchise tender becomes fully guaranteed once the player signs it. Since signing the franchise tender puts the player under contract, requiring him to show up to all mandatory offseason activities and training camp, some players choose to wait deep into the preseason before inking the offer.

The risk is that the franchise tag can be withdrawn, at any time, before it has been signed.

It doesn’t happen often, but it’s not unprecedented. Especially in Philly. In 2002, the Eagles pulled the franchise tag from linebacker Jeremiah Trotter in early April. Three years later, the Eagles removed the franchise tag from defensive tackle Corey Simon in late August.

The move immediately converts the player to an unrestricted free agent. But if it comes after the big money has been spent, the player will have a hard time getting the pay day he would have realized on the first day of free agency.

5. Franchise tender is guaranteed, with one exception.

Once a player signs the franchise tag, the one-year salary becomes fully guaranteed. But there’s a little-known exception.

Under Article 10, Section 2(c) of the CBA, the contract can be terminated if the player fails “to establish or maintain his excellent physical condition.”

Any effort to do so would result in a review of the situation by a neutral physician and, eventually and inevitably, arbitration. Still, the franchise tender technically isn’t fully and completely guaranteed.

You keep spouting this off, but none of it addresses signing it AFTER the season starts, upon which it will be PRORATED!! Every beat writer, blogger and anyone anywhere covering the Cowboys says he will LOSE MONEY if he sits out games.

 

[5Stars]

You must be one of the 9 people he doesnt have on ignore. So its no wonder he only has a problem with a few FANS.

I have been on his ignore list because he cannot handle anybody that disagrees with his so called expertise on any and everything Cowboys related. lol He has 8 million online followers you know, by his own admission!