Dez may hold out multiple games-Tom Condon

[big dog cowboy]

me

All fans who live in a fantasy world where they play GM without a salary cap would write both Murray and Dez a huge check. However I know that you are smart enough to know that signing Murray to the deal he got in Philly was a bad deal for the Cowboys.

 

[DandyDon52]

I think it's safe to assume Dallas is offering Dez a contract at least as rich as any WR not named Calvin Johnson, and probably a little more, so $12 mil a year, minimum. Mike Wallace's contract included $27 mil guaranteed. I don't think the Cowboys would offer anything under that. ESPN reported that Dez wants $17 mil a year, but I think we can all probably agree he doesn't expect that. So, no, I don't KNOW anything for certain, but I can make enough of an educated guess to offer an opinion on a message board. If all anyone around here talked about was what they knew, the board would get pretty quiet. We're entering the really off part of the offseason. We gotta talk about something.

My real issue in all of this is that I can't recall a player ever threatening to hold out of regular season games a month before the contract deadline is up. It absolutely blows my mind when athletes take their cases to the media and whine about "security." Give me a break. If Dez signs his tender, he will make more money in 2015 than an Army PFC with six years of experience will in 50 years, and soldiers in our armed forces have a hell of a lot less "security" than a WR in the NFL. Just a little perspective.

I agree with you.
Some do talk like they do know for sure though ?
and yeah it is disgusting how much todays athletes make , compared to normal people.
And dez bringing up security was a joke and a bad move. he lives in another world, most of them do.

 

[AzorAhai]

ok you were right on #2 and #3

Im right on #1 too. They barely have enough to cover Hardy now. Without the cap space Murray would have taken up they wouldn't have enough for Hardy without requiring other moves. Like June 1st cut of Carr, which the team hasn't done and said it isn't doing or a Dez extension, which obviously hasn't been done. How exactly do they afford Hardy and his 7m+ cap hit with Murray on the roster?

 

[AzorAhai]

All fans who live in a fantasy world where they play GM without a salary cap would write both Murray and Dez a huge check. However I know that you are smart enough to know that signing Murray to the deal he got in Philly was a bad deal for the Cowboys.

It sure would be fun to live in a NFL salary cap free world again wouldn't it? I'm not sure any other team could out spend the Cowboys.

 

[Nightman]

All fans who live in a fantasy world where they play GM without a salary cap would write both Murray and Dez a huge check. However I know that you are smart enough to know that signing Murray to the deal he got in Philly was a bad deal for the Cowboys.

I would've found the money.

Murray's impact last year was worth way more than 8m.

His cap hit is 5m. I could get 5m in cap space from cutting Gachkar and DMC and restructuring Witten.

Let alone wasting 12.7m on Carr.

 

[Clove]

Sometimes I'm embarrassed for our fan base.

 

[Clove]

Oh, yeah, let me explain. No player is going to take less unless their skills have declined, or they're an idiot. This isn't baseball where you have no physical contact and can play until you're 50.

 

[DandyDon52]

All fans who live in a fantasy world where they play GM without a salary cap would write both Murray and Dez a huge check. However I know that you are smart enough to know that signing Murray to the deal he got in Philly was a bad deal for the Cowboys.

Well dallas did not have to offer what murray got in philly, to keep him, just more guaranteed $ than the 12 they did offer.
And instead of 6 mil a year go to 7.
The Philly deal sounded a lot better than it actually was.
Dallas 4 years 24 mil and 12 G
Philly 5 years and 42 mil and 20 G
Now lets add a year 5 to dallas
5 years 30 mil 15 G Move the G up to 18 and he might have stayed.
Plus remind him of the state income tax, and much higher cost of living he would not be making much more in philly.

I am against paying dez more than 12-14 mil a year, but like murray it isnt up to us, just have to wait and see how it all turns out.
I do think murray might regret not staying in dallas, but I think he will do good there as a RB.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It sure would be fun to live in a NFL salary cap free world again wouldn't it? I'm not sure any other team could out spend the Cowboys.

Not really because ticket prices would be so high no one but the uber rich could afford to attend games. It's damn near to that point already. Player salaries would be out of control. Small market teams would struggle to compete. It wouldn't be pretty.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I would've found the money.

Murray's impact last year was worth way more than 8m.

His cap hit is 5m. I could get 5m in cap space from cutting Gachkar and DMC and restructuring Witten.

Let alone wasting 12.7m on Carr.

I get that the money could be found. But the bottom line is it's clear the Cowboys didn't think he was worth it.

 

[Nightman]

I get that the money could be found. But the bottom line is it's clear the Cowboys didn't think he was worth it.

Do you believe they really went to 6m and 12m guaranteed?

I think anyone willing to a pay a RB 6m a year would go to 8m.

That is why I'm not even sure they went to 6m.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

you say you want a SB , even if it caused a losing team later on, but then say glad they didnt pay murray and glad they franchised dez. lol
They should have kept murray and dez , signed both, and then they could have had a SB this year !!
They already blew that chance.
People say they want a SB now for witten and romo and themselves lol , but yet worry about long term effects of keeping star players!
you are wanting to have your cake and eat it too, same for cowboys FO.

Truth is IMO is when they let murray walk and franchised dez , that derailed any SB this year and maybe next year too.

yeah I can understand how its confusing. I go back and forth myself. Murray got overpaid. But , if I didnt have a plan in place for his departure, better then DMC/Randle, I might of matched it. Thats really my only compliant so far. I do think AP(if he was even available at a reasonable offer) would of been a great move imho, considering Romo and Wittens window. But that didnt happen and now I think RB, is our greatest concern.

Other then that, I like the moves the FO has been making. And its more then that. Its an attitude change. A culture change. And I think it will eventually turn this franchise around and into a playoff caliber team every year, like the Packers, Steelers, Patriots, Broncos, Ravens, Seahawks....

Will Romo and Witten get their SB? I dont know, and yes, I would sell the farm to get them one. I might change my tune if it the money and responsibility were actually mine! and for the record, i didnt think giving a one for AP was selling the farm....

But , if it were up to me, I would've signed multiple guys including AP and Hardy. I would load up and let it be known exactly what I was doing, and why I was doing it. And I would've given AP 50 carries in that playoff game against Seattle.....

thats what I would've done. That isn't necessarily the wrong or right way..... Depends on your perspective and position.

 

[AzorAhai]

yeah I can understand how its confusing. I go back and forth myself. Murray got overpaid. But , if I didnt have a plan in place for his departure, better then DMC/Randle, I might of matched it. Thats really my only compliant so far. I do think AP(if he was even available at a reasonable offer) would of been a great move imho, considering Romo and Wittens window. But that didnt happen and now I think RB, is our greatest concern.

Other then that, I like the moves the FO has been making. And its more then that. Its an attitude change. A culture change. And I think it will eventually turn this franchise around and into a playoff caliber team every year, like the Packers, Steelers, Patriots, Broncos, Ravens, Seahawks....

Will Romo and Witten get their SB? I dont know, and yes, I would sell the farm to get them one. I might change my tune if it the money and responsibility were actually mine! and for the record, i didnt think giving a one for AP was selling the farm....

But , if it were up to me, I would've signed multiple guys including AP and Hardy. I would load up and let it be known exactly what I was doing, and why I was doing it. And I would've given AP 50 carries in that playoff game against Seattle.....

thats what I would've done. That isn't necessarily the wrong or right way..... Depends on your perspective and position.

I'm against the all in strategy for two main reasons. Parity and injuries. Games are so close every Sunday a couple of plays here or there could ruin a season. An injury to Romo and the team is done. Another injury plagued year and the team will suffer greatly. The way the NFL is set up now, I think its almost always in the best interest to think long-term. Make as many smart, prudent decisions this year to improve without hurting the team in the future. Thats how NE and Pitt stay competitive year in and year out. Keep getting in the playoffs long enough and eventually you'll put yourselves in a great position to win a few.

 

[AzorAhai]

Not really because ticket prices would be so high no one but the uber rich could afford to attend games. It's damn near to that point already. Player salaries would be out of control. Small market teams would struggle to compete. It wouldn't be pretty.

Ticket prices are already too high for a normal family to really afford. At least if you want even decent seats. I'm not in favor of a salary cap just because it limits big market teams advantage. They SHOULD have some advantage from their giant cash backing. With revenue sharing, I don't think any team should be fielding cheap teams anyways, which some have already been doing. If the cap stays, I would rather see a soft cap, and then a luxury tax cap that the richer teams can go into if they choose.

 

[DandyDon52]

I'm against the all in strategy for two main reasons. Parity and injuries. Games are so close every Sunday a couple of plays here or there could ruin a season. An injury to Romo and the team is done. Another injury plagued year and the team will suffer greatly. The way the NFL is set up now, I think its almost always in the best interest to think long-term. Make as many smart, prudent decisions this year to improve without hurting the team in the future. Thats how NE and Pitt stay competitive year in and year out. Keep getting in the playoffs long enough and eventually you'll put yourselves in a great position to win a few.

yeah but with your view what about after romo is past his time or gone? Seems to me the time is now and maybe 2016-17
After that you have QB issues.

 

[DandyDon52]

yeah I can understand how its confusing. I go back and forth myself. Murray got overpaid. But , if I didnt have a plan in place for his departure, better then DMC/Randle, I might of matched it. Thats really my only compliant so far. I do think AP(if he was even available at a reasonable offer) would of been a great move imho, considering Romo and Wittens window. But that didnt happen and now I think RB, is our greatest concern.

Other then that, I like the moves the FO has been making. And its more then that. Its an attitude change. A culture change. And I think it will eventually turn this franchise around and into a playoff caliber team every year, like the Packers, Steelers, Patriots, Broncos, Ravens, Seahawks....

Will Romo and Witten get their SB? I dont know, and yes, I would sell the farm to get them one. I might change my tune if it the money and responsibility were actually mine! and for the record, i didnt think giving a one for AP was selling the farm....

But , if it were up to me, I would've signed multiple guys including AP and Hardy. I would load up and let it be known exactly what I was doing, and why I was doing it. And I would've given AP 50 carries in that playoff game against Seattle.....

thats what I would've done. That isn't necessarily the wrong or right way..... Depends on your perspective and position.

I see, about the plan, They may have thought they would get ap, but I kinda doubt that due to not wanting to give up # 1 picks.
I think their plan was the line is so good they dont need a good back, just what we have right now. Jerry added his pet cat dmc and thinks he will
excel.
the FO has been making some good moves, except for Murray.

 

[DandyDon52]

Do you believe they really went to 6m and 12m guaranteed?

I think anyone willing to a pay a RB 6m a year would go to 8m.

That is why I'm not even sure they went to 6m.

yeah if you do some searches I would say google but I use startpage.com you can find the offers to murray.
It started out 4 years for 16 mil and dont know how much G but not much.
and that was where they blew it, that was before 2014 season started. Had they offered then what they offered later, again they would have had him.
Then they made another for 5 mil a year, dont know other details
Then the final offer was 6 mil 24 mil 12 G for 4 years. not a bad offer, but I have to wonder why they made it 4 years instead of say 6 or 7 which
would have looked better. they could always have cut him after 3 or 4 years once the G money is paid up.?
murray had done 4 years at 1/2 mil a year so he was looking for his big payday .

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Williams going down today most likely increased Dez's leverage a little bit today.........but, my heart says Dez will play the 1st game even WITHOUT a new contract.....that is my GUT feeling.

 

[AzorAhai]

yeah but with your view what about after romo is past his time or gone? Seems to me the time is now and maybe 2016-17
After that you have QB issues.

After Romo is gone you have a really good team in place for the next QB to step in. I love Romo as much as anyone, but I love the Cowboys more. The better shape the entire roster is in, both talent wise and resource wise the better. Being competitive now and being setup well for the future are not mutually exclusive.

What happens if the Cowboys go all in and Romo gets hurt, or the team doesn’t win a SB in the next 2-3 years? Well then you're in a bad spot cap wise, you risk losing players to FA because you can't afford to keep them, and your searching for your next QB on a roster thats losing talent and having to have a rookie carry the load. Slow and steady is fine by me. If Romo can't get one, so be it, but I'd rather have a competitive roster year in and year out than an occasional flash in the pan roster.

 

[DandyDon52]

After Romo is gone you have a really good team in place for the next QB to step in. I love Romo as much as anyone, but I love the Cowboys more. The better shape the entire roster is in, both talent wise and resource wise the better. Being competitive now and being setup well for the future are not mutually exclusive.

What happens if the Cowboys go all in and Romo gets hurt, or the team doesn’t win a SB in the next 2-3 years? Well then you're in a bad spot cap wise, you risk losing players to FA because you can't afford to keep them, and your searching for your next QB on a roster thats losing talent and having to have a rookie carry the load. Slow and steady is fine by me. If Romo can't get one, so be it, but I'd rather have a competitive roster year in and year out than an occasional flash in the pan roster.

Well I see your point of view and that is one way to go.
But If they had went all in this year they would have had a good chance at a SB.
One thing to consider is the other strong nfc teams, last year was a great chance to go to SB as GB was hobbled by rodgers, and seattle was
not as good as the year before, and offense was weak most of the time, SF had fallen and there was no one else.
Dallas was very close to a SB , and they blew the chance in GB.
This year teams may be stronger or a new team rise up.
So the year dallas has it all together there may be another team that is just better.

I think this year it will mainly be GB and seattle again, with some other possibles like arizona or atlanta so this could have been a good year
To make a run at it.