Dez may hold out multiple games-Tom Condon

[PhillyCowboysFan]

My God, I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with you.

I just spat my coffee through my nose!

 

[Sydla]

"He gains nothing by sitting out. NOTHING."
Not true , he could use it to prevent being tagged a 2nd time next year.
To reduce injury risks, he could sit out 10 games and still make 4-5 mil, if he did that or even 2-3 games, no way they will tag him next year.

Plus Dez might decide to go join Murray up in philly , where they pay more.

Another thing is if the cowoys p[ay dez what he wants, they wanted the david wilson guy to still be dez baby sitter, but dez dont want that .
This was a issue that prevented a contract signed before 2014 season.
So dez wants150 mil contract with no baby sitters , he says he wont get in any trouble.
So what to do ? Do they pay him big $ and hope he stays out of trouble and shows up at meetings and practice on time etc?
and were talking a 7-10 year contract, and with no supervision for dez would he make it?

Dez basically fired david wilson as soon as the old contract expired, and then said to cowboys give me 130 million and I dont need no babysitters,
or supervision I will be no problem, just give me the money...... now!
But it fell apart on the supervision issue and dez played last year with no new contract.
I find it all kinda amusing.

Chip Kelly wouldn't touch Bryant with a 10 foot pole. Wouldn't fit into his idea of "culture".

 

[KJJ]

considering at each of the 8-8 season came down to the last game of the year to determine playoffs why would a person be a homer to think they could win the last game of the season and make the post season? Predicting SB is one thing but 8-8 team making it to the post season is not a far reach.
Myself I expected Dallas to compete and win the east and why not 2013 season Dallas had gone 5-1 in the NFC East and fell short in large part because Romo was out. 12-4? no did not predict that I did think 10-6 was possible and I felt we were every bit as good as any team in the east.
I have been called a homer and even a doomsayer at different times, I’m at the point I don’t care what other fans feel about me I call it as I see it.

How many 8 win teams have their season come down to week 17? You honestly think Jstopper was predicting "8 wins" AND the playoffs in 2011, 2012 and 2013? lol None of those FANS who predict the playoffs every season for the Cowboys are predicting 8 win seasons. You don't see many 8-8 teams make the playoffs so it is a far reach. The Cowboys went 8-8 three straight seasons and didn't make the playoffs.

 

[slick325]

This is 100% wrong.

The CBA Specifically states "For the purposes of this Article, “Salary” means the total of the Para-graph 5 Salary (reduced proportionately if the contract is entered into after the first regular season game)" This is pulled right out of the franchise tag section of the CBA.

He looses money. Dez has very little leverage. Once July 15 hits, he can't negotiate with any team. Once the season starts, every week he misses he looses money. Period. Once he signs the tender, then he will get the prorated amount for each game he misses with no possible way to make up the lost games. He gains nothing by sitting out. NOTHING.

This is completely incorrect. Paragraph 5 Salary refers to "compensation set forth in Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player Contract, or in any amendments thereto." This is defined clearly in the 2011 NFL CBA. Further, the language you refer to in Article 10 Section 2(e) is defining how the franchise dollar amount is calculated by the League. The next two paragraphs (f) and (g) breakdown the actual calculations as they apply to a particular player.

The confusion is easy since the legalize is overwhelming but Article 10 Section 2(e) is a definition of HOW to calculate the franchise amount per position and for certain players.

 

[Doomsday101]

How many 8 win teams have their season come down to week 17? You honestly think Jstopper was predicting "8 wins" AND the playoffs in 2011, 2012 and 2013? lol None of those FANS who predict the playoffs every season for the Cowboys aren't predicting 8 win seasons.

I don't know how many teams I do know the fact is the Cowboys were one of them and not far fetched for the Cowboys to make the post season in any of the 3 8-8 seasons and each did come down to the final games. I don't know what he predicted all I know I predicted we would win the east in each of those season. I just do not feel that Philly, NY or Wash are any better than what Dallas was, which of course was not SB contenders but winners of the east and playoff bound.

heading into 2014 I once again felt Dallas could win the east, I was thinking 10-6 and they surpassed that at 12-4 but main objective was win the division if you do that you have a shot at a 1 game tournament. If history tells us 1 thing the best teams do not always make the SB

 

[cowboyblue22]

the offseason was going along fair now not so good

 

[AzorAhai]

"He gains nothing by sitting out. NOTHING."
Not true , he could use it to prevent being tagged a 2nd time next year.
To reduce injury risks, he could sit out 10 games and still make 4-5 mil, if he did that or even 2-3 games, no way they will tag him next year.

Plus Dez might decide to go join Murray up in philly , where they pay more.

Another thing is if the cowoys p[ay dez what he wants, they wanted the david wilson guy to still be dez baby sitter, but dez dont want that .
This was a issue that prevented a contract signed before 2014 season.
So dez wants150 mil contract with no baby sitters , he says he wont get in any trouble.
So what to do ? Do they pay him big $ and hope he stays out of trouble and shows up at meetings and practice on time etc?
and were talking a 7-10 year contract, and with no supervision for dez would he make it?

Dez basically fired david wilson as soon as the old contract expired, and then said to cowboys give me 130 million and I dont need no babysitters,
or supervision I will be no problem, just give me the money...... now!
But it fell apart on the supervision issue and dez played last year with no new contract.
I find it all kinda amusing.

If Dez sits out 10 games he loses 7.5m this year. If he were to get 17m/yr instead of a likely 13.5-14m the team is offering it would take 2.5 seasons to even make that difference up. If he wants to hold firm to 17m/yr and what can be assumed to be 50m+ guaranteed call his bluff.

If he sits multiple games this season and next he's going to cost himself more than his game checks. No team is going to run out and give him a huge contract fearing what will happen when he's unhappy with his deal or all the guaranteed money is gone and he wants a new deal all of a sudden. Sitting out is a dumb thing to do. Period.

 

[USMarineVet]

I just spat my coffee through my nose!

I can see it now. JKK and me, outnumbered and in a hole together.

Me: Don't worry about it Bro.. We got this. Just be calm, stay focused and make your shots count. This is what we trained for. Believe in yourself and we'll make it through.

JKK: Well, this doesn't look good. I give us about a 25% chance of survival. Scratch that. I think we're gonna die. Yup. We're gonna die if we stay here. What's our egress strategy?

Me: Our egress strategy is for you to shut your pie hole, pick that weapon up and start shooting at anything that moves coming from that direction.

JKK: But we're outnumbered. We're doomed. The end is near. Falling back is our only option.

Me: Shut up and fight, before I shoot you myself.

 

[Galian Beast]

He has to if he wants to get paid. 800k a week isn't chump change, especially for a guy who hasn't exactly made the best financial choices thus far.

Forgoing payment today for much higher payment tomorrow isn't a fantasy. To suggest he has no leverage is ridiculous.

 

[Sydla]

Forgoing payment today for much higher payment tomorrow isn't a fantasy. To suggest he has no leverage is ridiculous.

His leverage might not be non-existent but it's not great either.

 

[Doomsday101]

Forgoing payment today for much higher payment tomorrow isn't a fantasy. To suggest he has no leverage is ridiculous.

Claiming he has a lot is just as ridiculous. Cowboys have the franchise tag so Dez is not a FA to go where he chooses, he does have the option of sitting but it cost him and if you sit the season the chance of getting even 12 mill would be hard.

 

[USMarineVet]

This is completely incorrect. Paragraph 5 Salary refers to "compensation set forth in Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player Contract, or in any amendments thereto." This is defined clearly in the 2011 NFL CBA. Further, the language you refer to in Article 10 Section 2(e) is defining how the franchise dollar amount is calculated by the League. The next two paragraphs (f) and (g) breakdown the actual calculations as they apply to a particular player.

The confusion is easy since the legalize is overwhelming but Article 10 Section 2(e) is a definition of HOW to calculate the franchise amount per position and for certain players.

Could all of this have changed since you're referring to the 2011 CBA and we're dealing with a newer version now? Recent articles seem to suggest his losing game checks as a result of a potential hold out. Not discrediting your knowledge in any way. It just seems there's some ambiguity with the new CBA.

 

[KJJ]

I don't know how many teams I do know the fact is the Cowboys were one of them and not far fetched for the Cowboys to make the post season in any of the 3 8-8 seasons and each did come down to the final games. I don't know what he predicted all I know I predicted we would win the east in each of those season. I just do not feel that Philly, NY or Wash are any better than what Dallas was, which of course was not SB contenders but winners of the east and playoff bound.

heading into 2014 I once again felt Dallas could win the east, I was thinking 10-6 and they surpassed that at 12-4 but main objective was win the division if you do that you have a shot at a 1 game tournament. If history tells us 1 thing the best teams do not always make the SB

Heading into 2014 it appeared the Cowboys were a worse team than they were the previous 3 seasons. They lost key players to free agency and injury plus Romo was very limited coming off back surgery. Even going 8-8 in 2015 looked like a reach. Some were picking the Cowboys to be the worst team in the league. Only diehard FANS were picking the team to make the playoffs.

 

[Rockport]

http://www.thescore.com/news/781265

I still dont see the point of this. If a new deal isnt struck by the deadline he cant get a new one. Whats the point of sitting games? This is bad news for us if its true. I personally think its just posturing as they know the cowboys are getting ready to offer something before the deadline.

I hope the Cowboys stick to their guns for a fair contract for both. No one person is more valuable than the team. I for one am tired of Dez's antics. He's turning into a TO.

 

[USMarineVet]

Heading into 2014 it appeared the Cowboys were a worse team than they were the previous 3 seasons. They lost key players to free agency and injury plus Romo was very limited coming off back surgery. Even going 8-8 in 2015 looked like a reach. Some were picking the Cowboys to be the worst team in the league. Only diehard FANS were picking the team to make the playoffs.

Which they did.

 

[USMarineVet]

My thing is, if you're gonna be a FAN. Might as well be a Die-Hard one.

 

[Rockport]

"He gains nothing by sitting out. NOTHING."
Not true , he could use it to prevent being tagged a 2nd time next year.
To reduce injury risks, he could sit out 10 games and still make 4-5 mil, if he did that or even 2-3 games, no way they will tag him next year.

Plus Dez might decide to go join Murray up in philly , where they pay more.

Another thing is if the cowoys p[ay dez what he wants, they wanted the david wilson guy to still be dez baby sitter, but dez dont want that .
This was a issue that prevented a contract signed before 2014 season.
So dez wants150 mil contract with no baby sitters , he says he wont get in any trouble.
So what to do ? Do they pay him big $ and hope he stays out of trouble and shows up at meetings and practice on time etc?
and were talking a 7-10 year contract, and with no supervision for dez would he make it?

Dez basically fired david wilson as soon as the old contract expired, and then said to cowboys give me 130 million and I dont need no babysitters,
or supervision I will be no problem, just give me the money...... now!
But it fell apart on the supervision issue and dez played last year with no new contract.
I find it all kinda amusing.

He's not sitting out any games. Mark it down.

 

[Doomsday101]

Heading into 2014 it appeared the Cowboys were a worse team than they were the previous 3 seasons. They lost key players to free agency and injury plus Romo was very limited coming off back surgery. Even going 8-8 in 2015 looked like a reach. Some were picking the Cowboys to be the worst team in the league. Only diehard FANS were picking the team to make the playoffs.

What key loss? Ware was eating up cap space but had not done much the season before. I said heading into the season that I felt the defense would actually be better and was ridiculed for it but I firmly felt that Marinelli could get the most out of these younger players. The Romo situation was big but I tended to believe the reports coming from VR and from Romo, of course all I got back was the what are they suppose to say? but fact is they knew what the deal was while others only gave an outsiders perspective, we have all these experts running around yet none have a clue since they are not there, they are not part of the Cowboys in any way shape or form but they know best? come on, they are self important people who impress themselves and I would not give 1 red cent for their opinion.

 

[Rockport]

You're one of those FANS who predict the playoffs every season care to deny it? lol There's plenty of FANS here who predict the playoffs every season. I'll guarantee you were predicting the Cowboys would make the playoffs during every single one of their 8-8 seasons. Anyone who was predicting the playoffs for the Cowboys in June of last year has homer written all over them and makes the same prediction heading into every season.

Why do you have issues with EVERYONE on this forum?

 

[slick325]

Could all of this have changed since you're referring to the 2011 CBA and we're dealing with a newer version now? Recent articles seem to suggest his losing game checks as a result of a potential hold out. Not discrediting your knowledge in any way. It just seems there's some ambiguity with the new CBA.

I received my copy of the CBA as soon as it was made available to all certified agents registered with the NFLPA. The new CBA was signed in 2011 and expires in 2020.