Dez targets in Philly Game

mattjames2010

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Going to Dez in a one on one is not forcing anything Romo would go after that just as well. Dak did not play well so I don't see how that is taking him off the hook. As far as I'm concerned he took himself off the hook by keeping things together and got hot in the 4th qrt to get that game tied up and then winning it the 4th.

You can still force passes even when it's one on one. You have to know when a CB has won a matchup.

However, the spin here is tossing out the raw number with no context. That number doesn't show how piss poor the throws from Dak were.
 

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You can still force passes even when it's one on one. You have to know when a CB has won a matchup.

However, the spin here is tossing out the raw number with no context. That number doesn't show how piss poor the throws from Dak were.

Romo does the same thing he has put the ball up to Dez in tough coverage you expect Dez to use his ability to go up and get the ball. Only spin is your own, you got something against Dak. Yes he played poorly for much of the game no one has said different. Fact is Romo has had games like that as well where he played poorly to start the game and yet gutted out the win. That is not an easy task for any QB. Dak is a young QB he has made mistake he has also made some very big plays for this team. He is a big part of the 6-1 and I'm sorry you don't like that but then that really is your problem. You can spend the rest of your days hating on Dak all you want I seriously doubt the Cowboys give a damn about your opinion so when you start talking how you would get a QB next off season here is a hint you don't have a say in what Dallas does so either get use to the fact that Dak is here or don't that is your issue.
 

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Romo does the same thing he has put the ball up to Dez in tough coverage you expect Dez to use his ability to go up and get the ball. Only spin is your own, you got something against Dak. Yes he played poorly for much of the game no one has said different. Fact is Romo has had games like that as well where he played poorly to start the game and yet gutted out the win. That is not an easy task for any QB. Dak is a young QB he has made mistake he has also made some very big plays for this team. He is a big part of the 6-1 and I'm sorry you don't like that but then that really is your problem. You can spend the rest of your days hating on Dak all you want I seriously doubt the Cowboys give a damn about your opinion so when you start talking how you would get a QB next off season here is a hint you don't have a say in what Dallas does so either get use to the fact that Dak is here or don't that is your issue.

No, no "spin" is my own. It has actually already been pointed out in this thread. You put out a raw number with no context, just to go on to blame the receiver is the spin. What are you even arguing here?

And no one here has said anything about Romo. Did I mention him? Did I say Romo has never done it? You're assuming here, I won't be addressing your argument points to things I never brought up. Stay on track, if you can.

And actually, I'd go on to say you're doing a bit of a spin here yourself. "But but but Romo has done it too!"

Not an argument!
 

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did anyone who watched the game see Dez "pestering" Dak for the ball?

I didn't see it one time...

What I did see was a WR and a QB give eachother a big hug in excitement. I would say if Dak was "pestered" he wouldn't have done that. I think Dak knows the crap being said about Dez, and was happy he was able to get him the ball. The only people complaining are those that don't play on Sunday.
 

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No, no "spin" is my own. It has actually already been pointed out in this thread. You put out a raw number with no context, just to go on to blame the receiver is the spin. What are you even arguing here?

And no one here has said anything about Romo. Did I mention him? Did I say Romo has never done it? You're assuming here, I won't be addressing your argument points to things I never brought up. Stay on track, if you can.

And actually, I'd go on to say you're doing a bit of a spin here yourself. "But but but Romo has done it too!"

Not an argument!

I read your other post so I am on track I keep up with people agenda. Fact is a Rookie is going out and played good ball he is helping his team win games. Has he been perfect? No and Sunday's game he frankly looked bad at times but he also showed he could rebound from that and help this team to a win. I don't give a damn about stats in terms of yards what I care about is doing what has to be done to win games. Each week the same clowns holler this week he will have to prove it vs this team and each week he does only to face yet more BS. For a rookie he has helped lead a team a team many of you did not expect to win more than 4 to 8 games and yet this team is sitting at the top and you seem to think Dak has nothing to do with this? Anyone can do this well except for the crappy QB we had last season. Dak is doing his job and this team is winning because of it.
 

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Dez was single covered by players with CB3 level talent a good amount of the time. In that situation you at least strongly consider getting him the ball, because if its near enough to him for him to make a play on he's going to win at least half of those. Quite possibly he wins more then half of those. If Dez is winning those a lot then the opponents are going to have to start doubling him, or let him torch them. The passes were wildly inaccurate, for a number of reasons, quite frequently. The idea was right, the execution was wrong. i don't think it was even a chemistry thing, that's guys breaking in as opposed to out. Dak was frequently short or long, that feels like a lot more of a physical issue then a timing/chemistry issue. I remember the end zone fade as a route that Dez had whipped the CB on and it hit the CB almost in the butt, loft it up and TD.

Dak had a bad night for the most part. It wasn't because of Dez. It was a combination of the Eagles defense and Dak in my opinion. This doesn't mean that Dak isn't the future, it just means he's a rookie and has things still to learn and adjustments left to make.
 

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I read your other post so I am on track I keep up with people agenda. Fact is a Rookie is going out and played good ball he is helping his team win games. Has he been perfect? No and Sunday's game he frankly looked bad at times but he also showed he could rebound from that and help this team to a win. I don't give a damn about stats in terms of yards what I care about is doing what has to be done to win games. Each week the same clowns holler this week he will have to prove it vs this team and each week he does only to face yet more BS. For a rookie he has helped lead a team a team many of you did not expect to win more than 4 to 8 games and yet this team is sitting at the top and you seem to think Dak has nothing to do with this? Anyone can do this well except for the crappy QB we had last season. Dak is doing his job and this team is winning because of it.

So, you read my other posts, and then brought it into this thread? They are different topics, champ. Again, stay on track because you're beginning to derail.

You're now rambling. The OP used raw numbers, put the blame on Dez, brought up some baseless rumor he heard, and the flaws in his argument were pointed out. That is it. Take the argument you want to the thread you believe it's relevant, because it's not here.

Also, get my "agenda" right. The only agenda I have here is finding our next franchise QB. Having Romo is irrelevant since he has a season and a half left in Dallas at the very least.
 

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So, you read my other posts, and then brought it into this thread? They are different topics, champ. Again, stay on track because you're beginning to derail.

You're now rambling. The OP used raw numbers, put the blame on Dez, brought up some baseless rumor he heard, and the flaws in his argument were pointed out. That is it. Take the argument you want to the thread you believe it's relevant, because it's not here.

Also, get my "agenda" right. The only agenda I have here is finding our next franchise QB. Having Romo is irrelevant since he has a season and a half left in Dallas at the very least.

Champ like it or not Dak is the starting QB and guess what Champ this team is 6-1 now tell me champ what was your prediction on the season? You felt this team would be 6-1 yeah sell it someone where else champ.

I'm sure you are a QB expert I'm amazed that you don't have a job in the NFL instead of being on a message board, funny how a lot of GM who passed on Dak are wishing they would have taken him. LOL
 

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Champ like it or not Dak is the starting QB and guess what Champ this team is 6-1 now tell me champ what was your prediction on the season? You felt this team would be 6-1 yeah sell it someone where else champ.

I'm sure you are a QB expert I'm amazed that you don't have a job in the NFL instead of being on a message board, funny how a lot of GM who passed on Dak are wishing they would have taken him. LOL

Again, not an argument. You're now dodging the original point you were trying to make and you're derailing this thread.

Oh and now we are to the, "If you are so smart, why aren't you working in the NFL? Hurr durr!" - Wipe the drool from that lip and then wash those hands before you rage post at me again.

Now, since you even admitted Romo wasn't brought up by me in this thread, you can rage post to yourself now.
 

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I think some of the throws were his mechanics. Poor foot placement.

Seems to me it might easily have been the pass rush causing early releases as well. I also don't believe Dak necessarily had "happy feet" as much as some here think. A QB must get into position to pass with oncoming rushers coming from all angles. If and when that occurs, the QB must constantly adjust his positioning to get in a spot to deliver through an open lane. It's not an easy time of it against Philly's rush.
 
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Again, not an argument. You're now dodging the original point you were trying to make and you're derailing this thread.

Oh and now we are to the, "If you are so smart, why aren't you working in the NFL? Hurr durr!" - Wipe the drool from that lip and then wash those hands before you rage post at me again.

Now, since you even admitted Romo wasn't brought up by me in this thread, you can rage post to yourself now.

what point? Dak did not play well for much of 3 qrts. I don't blame WR he was off the mark just as he was on the mark in the 4th qrt as he lead his team to a win, the 6th win in a row matching the longest streak this team has had since 2014. I care about winning that is what they are out there to do, not be some fantasy football hero. I don't expect a guy who has played a total of 7 games in the NFL to have the same savvy as that of a vet NFL QB.
 

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Dak was clearly off most of the game. Even on the game tying TD he under threw Dez by quite a bit. Dez did a great job coming back and making a great catch with a defenders arm between his arms.

Even on his throws to Beasley he was off early on and only connected on 4 of 7 to Beasley way below their average. He was 1 of 4 to Beasley in the first half.
 

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This was really the first time a defense rattled Dak with effective pressure forcing him to miss on several throws. Several all of those to Dez. It happens, rookie or not. Obviously the coaching staff will work on this and look for improvement.
 

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Had Dak been more on target, several of those misses would not have been missed.

This is going to end up being a case of the coverage dictating where the ball should have gone, and the QB missing on some of the throws, but it's going to end up being a big debate over whether or not the rookie QB feels compelled to throw it to Dez to keep him happy.

Although we already know from week 1 how Dak feels about being compelled to force balls to Dez Bryant. He doesn't.

We'll play a lesser defense this week, and we'll see the ball distribution go back to what it predominantly has been all season.
Dez got 12 targets week 2. Nobody complained.

Dez got 14 targets on his return. Everyone complains.

People want to complain.
 

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Dez got 12 targets week 2. Nobody complained.

Dez got 14 targets on his return. Everyone complains.

People want to complain.

Well, what other possible reason could there be for Dak being 'off' for a bit in the game?

BTW, you might have added that they complained when Dez only got 4 targets in week 1, too.
 

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The issue isn't whether or not Dez should be an important cog in the offense. The issue is did Dak look bad, in part, based on him throwing to Dez 14 times? I think the answer to that is YES.

Part of Dak looking bad is because he was playing against a very good defense. Part of it was Dak had a bad game. Part of it was that his mechanics seemed to be off. But make no mistake about it, Dez was also a part of it.

It really doesn't matter in a sense, if Dez is open on every play, if Dak can't make a particular throw to Dez. He really can't throw the fade to Dez, and the back shoulder throw isn't all that great either. That limits how he can use Dez and how often he can throw to him. He was 4 for 14 in the game to Dez. That is a huge part of why the offense looked anemic this past game. If you can't see that, well, I guess you just aren't looking very hard. Getting zero yards on 10 plays either ends a drive, or puts you behind the 8 ball on down and distance. We have been much better at that prior to this week. That isn't good enough.

Beasley needs to be in the game on almost every play. Dak throws a very high percentage of targets to Beasley, and it has kept the chains moving. It happened this past Sunday when Beasley was in the game.

Romo throwing to Dez 14 times in a game might not be too much, but Dak throw in to Dez 14 times like he did last week (the way he was throwing it) was probably 10 times too many. You guys can point to the 4 catches Dez made and cheer like high school girls if you want. I am looking at the overall ineffectiveness of our offense because of the 10 misses made (which many were very ill advised) and see missed opportunities and drive killers.
 

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Dez got 12 targets week 2. Nobody complained.

Dez got 14 targets on his return. Everyone complains.

People want to complain.

Yeah. People also want to defend Dez too, even if they are wrong about it. See how that works?
 

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I think some of the throws were his mechanics. Poor foot placement.
Yes. Majorly. Back foot throws and throwing with feet together even with a clean pocket. Blitzing was having an effect and took him time to adjust to it.
 

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Yeah. People also want to defend Dez too, even if they are wrong about it. See how that works?
Dez is one of the best players in all of the NFL. He showed it again on Sunday. I'm happy to defend him if you'd like to take the other side of the argument.
 
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