Did anyone know this about Meredith?

[Jarv]

You kidding, I've been trying to talk him into it for 3 years.

Do you ride a Harley?

Bottled right here by Kalil

Nyquil?

Hos and CBZ...If you guys ride call me, wouldn't miss it. Tombstone and Grand Canyon, check.

 

[Hostile]

Hos and CBZ...If you guys ride call me, wouldn't miss it. Tombstone and Grand Canyon, check.

I've done the ride to Tombstone, I enjoy it. I want to do the Grand Canyon ride for sure.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I forget, you are in another time zone.

Man did we ever get screwed as an expansion franchise or what. No draft, we get the scrubs the other teams don't want, and have to trade away most of our future picks just to field a team.

And after all that, we are STILL the most successful franchise since 1960!

Considering the way we had to start off it is amazing that it ONLY took 6 years to get to .500 and one more to make it to the playoffs.

It sickens me when I see teams like the Browns and Texans, who had all the advantages coming in, not being able to field a winner. Losers!

I'd be willing to bet Landry wouldn't have had it any other way.

 

[Jarv]

I've done the ride to Tombstone, I enjoy it. I want to do the Grand Canyon ride for sure.

Jarvman looking up airfares now ! We still have snow on the ground !

 

[DragonCowboy]

I'd be willing to bet Landry wouldn't have had it any other way.

Wait, the expansion team in the draft before our second year got all the perks of 1st pick and stuff right?

 

[Hostile]

Jarvman looking up airfares now ! We still have snow on the ground !

We hit the mid 90's last week, but have rain and hail right now.

 

[THUMPER]

Wait, the expansion team in the draft before our second year got all the perks of 1st pick and stuff right?

Yep, the Vikings came in in 1961 and had the top pick in each round.

The problem was that that maggot, Commanders owner, George Preston Marshall, kept delaying the approval of our franchise until the other owners decided that it would be too difficult ( :bang2: ) to arrange the draft if the Cowboys were included so they just shut us out of it.

"Oh, it's too much work for us to re-do the draft order to include the new expansion team so they can just go without this year. They'll get over it."

The good news is that we've been taking it out on all of them ever since, especially the Commanders!

:skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins: :skins:

 

[the kid 05]

Not today.....I took a pill.....

the blue or red one?

 

[Cbz40]

the blue or red one?

I'll never tell.....

 

[the kid 05]

I'll never tell.....

because you dont remember

 

[the kid 05]

just found this out...CBZ40 is actually Hugh Hefner see...

 

[CCBoy]

...and no one would ever guess that I go postal, daily..

Let's see, along with Dandy Don, who played with more busted ribs, than linebackers of his day...

Dallas took the spunky running back, Don Perkins...

The Dallas Texans drafted Abner Haynes...

and the newly formed Houston Oilers took a running back from my alma-mater...Sid Banks...

Didn't Meredith lead SMU to it's only real National Championship...as an All American?

Now to geography, Red River...now the territory just to the North of the river, wasn't it the home quarters for the various tribes of the Commanche?
They would raid all the way down south, into Northern Mexico, from there. The Commanche supplanted the Apache in the area...driving a good many of them down deep into Mexico, before they ran afowl with Mexico....

You know what the basic fighting difference between the Apache and the Commanche was....well, the Apache preferred to ride to where he was going to fight, and then dismount and fight. The Commanche perfected the mobile and hostile attacks on horseback....

The first vaqueros were Mexicans, who taught the early Texicans how to be Cowboys....LOL.

I was stationed at Fort Bliss, Tx....twice, in the Waco and Franklin mountain ranges, just across from Juarez. I spent 12 years in Kentucky, and occasionally sojourned into the 'black hills'....also, at the Air Force Academy, I was a 'mile' up, from the start....survival in the mountains of Colorado, was an experience.....as was the POW experience while there.

On a side note...the Rio Grande is being declared an endangered river at the present....some kind of fall since when Richard King rant quite a ways up the river with a fleet of ferry boats...huh?

OK, I'll shut up...thanks for the thread, Thumper....

 

[THUMPER]

...and no one would ever guess that I go postal, daily..

Let's see, along with Dandy Don, who played with more busted ribs, than linebackers of his day...

Dallas took the spunky running back, Don Perkins...

The Dallas Texans drafted Abner Haynes...

and the newly formed Houston Oilers took a running back from my alma-mater...Sid Banks...

Didn't Meredith lead SMU to it's only real National Championship...as an All American?

Now to geography, Red River...now the territory just to the North of the river, wasn't it the home quarters for the various tribes of the Commanche?
They would raid all the way down south, into Northern Mexico, from there. The Commanche supplanted the Apache in the area...driving a good many of them down deep into Mexico, before they ran afowl with Mexico....

You know what the basic fighting difference between the Apache and the Commanche was....well, the Apache preferred to ride to where he was going to fight, and then dismount and fight. The Commanche perfected the mobile and hostile attacks on horseback....

The first vaqueros were Mexicans, who taught the early Texicans how to be Cowboys....LOL.

I was stationed at Fort Bliss, Tx....twice, in the Waco and Franklin mountain ranges, just across from Juarez. I spent 12 years in Kentucky, and occasionally sojourned into the 'black hills'....also, at the Air Force Academy, I was a 'mile' up, from the start....survival in the mountains of Colorado, was an experience.....as was the POW experience while there.

On a side note...the Rio Grande is being declared an endangered river at the present....some kind of fall since when Richard King rant quite a ways up the river with a fleet of ferry boats...huh?

OK, I'll shut up...thanks for the thread, Thumper....

Nice to see you posting here Bob. :starspin

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

...and no one would ever guess that I go postal, daily..

Let's see, along with Dandy Don, who played with more busted ribs, than linebackers of his day...

Dallas took the spunky running back, Don Perkins...

The Dallas Texans drafted Abner Haynes...

and the newly formed Houston Oilers took a running back from my alma-mater...Sid Banks...

Didn't Meredith lead SMU to it's only real National Championship...as an All American?

Now to geography, Red River...now the territory just to the North of the river, wasn't it the home quarters for the various tribes of the Commanche?
They would raid all the way down south, into Northern Mexico, from there. The Commanche supplanted the Apache in the area...driving a good many of them down deep into Mexico, before they ran afowl with Mexico....

You know what the basic fighting difference between the Apache and the Commanche was....well, the Apache preferred to ride to where he was going to fight, and then dismount and fight. The Commanche perfected the mobile and hostile attacks on horseback....

The first vaqueros were Mexicans, who taught the early Texicans how to be Cowboys....LOL.

I was stationed at Fort Bliss, Tx....twice, in the Waco and Franklin mountain ranges, just across from Juarez. I spent 12 years in Kentucky, and occasionally sojourned into the 'black hills'....also, at the Air Force Academy, I was a 'mile' up, from the start....survival in the mountains of Colorado, was an experience.....as was the POW experience while there.

On a side note...the Rio Grande is being declared an endangered river at the present....some kind of fall since when Richard King rant quite a ways up the river with a fleet of ferry boats...huh?

OK, I'll shut up...thanks for the thread, Thumper....

Not trying to start an argument here but I think that the basic difference between the Apache and the Commanche is the fact that the Apache Indians were indiginous to the SouthWest (since around 800 AD) where as the Commanche were actually part of the Shoeshone Indian tribes and migrated, on foot, from the Wyoming Territories. The Apache, lived in what is now New Mexico and Arizona territories, for the most part. While there was some small presence in Texas, for the most part, Apaches were not really local to that area. When the Commanche migrated, it was actually the Jumano Tribe, I believe, that was indiginous to Texas that were displaced and eventually incompased. They did settle into New Mexico's Eastern edge but no further. The Commance were a much larger tribe then other tribes indiginous to the area so it was relatively easy for them to occupy Texas, so to speak. The Apache, however, were fierce. The Commanche were probably the best light Calvery of the time, although, the Cheyenne Dog Soldiers may not agree with this assesment. The word "Apache" means "The Enemy" and originally migrated into the SW about 850. Originally, it is believed that they migrated from Canada down throu the Rockies and settled in Arizona and New Mexico. They are very closely related to the Navajo people. Baically, the Apache stoled Navajo women and took them as there own. Because of this, the children were raised with influences from both tribes. The languages are actually very simular. The Apache are mountain people so naturally, they are well suited to that environment. The Apache was probably the finest soldier in the world, at the time. While I would say that the Commanche was a better fighter on Horse Back, the Apache was a superior soldier all around. I believe it was the Lipan Apaches that were occupying Western Texas and Easter New Mexico at the time of the Commanche Migration. This band probably numbered in the area of 500. Perhaps less. Interestingly enough, this band of Apache actually fought with the Texans against the Mexicans and were recognize by Stephen F. Austin in some capacity. The Commanche enjoyed success against the Apache in open terrain but as they encountered the Apache in more Mountains terrains, they meet with deciseve defeats. The Apache were the unltimate light soldier. They were probably the best army of Gorrilla fighters in the history of our country. In there own environment, they were all but impossible to defeat as the Commanche, Cheyanne and eventually, the US Army learned.

 

[Cowboy Bill Watts]

During his career, he had a 50.7% completion rate, throwing for 17,199 yards and 135 touchdowns with a lifetime quarterback rating of 74.8. He was named the NFL Player of the Year in 1966 and was named to the Pro Bowl twice.

interesting that a 74.8 QB rating got you to the playoffs back then. quincy carter had a 70...

 

[CCBoy]

Some good stuff about the Indian history, but not all true. The Apache dominated the region prior to the migration of the Comanche into the plains portion of the region. The Comanche preferred the homeland just north of the Red River, in what is now Oklahoma. To gain control of a region, a tribe had to be more vicious than those that he took it from...to say one tribe was really more violent than another, is just observing who was actually the dominant tribe in the area. You were wrong as to a totally encompasing view of the Apache dominance through the Southwest somewhat. There were about five tribes that were driven by the Federal troups from the Northwest and all the way from the Florida regions into what was East Texas and down to what is now Corpus Christi, that had a still cannibalistic and very violent tribe, the Karankawas. Another somewhat dominant tribe in the Texas region, after the Civil War period, was the Kiowa. Lipan Apache ranged down towards the Corpus Christi area also...but the Apache were dominated by the Comanche, who not an ounce less ruthless, daring, or violent. The Apache were driven into the mountainous regions..to the west, and on into New Mexico, and south well into Mexico itself. There were very adapatble once in the mountainous regions...I'll grant that. They were conquerable, as evidenced by their eventually raising enough eyre that they were systematically driven from the regions that they were transplanted into...barely holding footholds in Mexico....and you are wrong in that they didn't move much, as tribes of the Apache, once the great American concentration on their place in the country, called an all out attack at just before the turn of the twentieth century...as Apache tribes were driven all the way up to the Dakotas, where there are presently numerous Apache tribes in the region, today....West and North of San Antonio, in a desert region was a Canyon area held to be sacred, first by the Apache, and then later the 'lords' of the region, the Comanche....since the Comanche were predominantly a mobile and buffalo oriented culture, they didn't go too far into the mountains, and remain....but leave no mistake, in protracted battles, the Comanche were consistently victorious over the smaller in stature, Apache.....Albuqurque, ever been down around El Paso? I was up to Albuqurque once, and of course, Alamogordo.. have you ever heard of the Tashiro Estates? Oh well, I won't get into the story covering J.R. Arms, the one armed private investgator who wrote a book that included an acquaintance of mine in one of his chapters, who was previously married to Mr. Tashiro and who was shot point blank range while in bed, following a gamblig debt on the Alli/Foreman boxing match, there in Alamagordo, but that's another story. I remember, when going to Dona Ana, near Waco Tanks, seeing an old dugout along the highway, where an old prospector lived and sat in his rocking chair by the highway...up until he pased away. There was still a deserted gold mine up in the Waco mountains. Every day that we were in exercises in the desert there, we came across a rattler, without fail....I also remember chasing a pair of wild mustangs in our APC across much of the training range....other stories, althoug....

 

[Hostile]

Some good stuff about the Indian history, but not all true. The Apache dominated the region prior to the migration of the Comanche into the plains portion of the region. The Comanche preferred the homeland just north of the Red River, in what is now Oklahoma. To gain control of a region, a tribe had to be more vicious than those that he took it from...to say one tribe was really more violent than another, is just observing who was actually the dominant tribe in the area. You were wrong as to a totally encompasing view of the Apache dominance through the Southwest somewhat. There were about five tribes that were driven by the Federal troups from the Northwest and all the way from the Florida regions into what was East Texas and down to what is now Corpus Christi, that had a still cannibalistic and very violent tribe, the Karankawas. Another somewhat dominant tribe in the Texas region, after the Civil War period, was the Kiowa. Lipan Apache ranged down towards the Corpus Christi area also...but the Apache were dominated by the Comanche, who not an ounce less ruthless, daring, or violent. The Apache were driven into the mountainous regions..to the west, and on into New Mexico, and south well into Mexico itself. There were very adapatble once in the mountainous regions...I'll grant that. They were conquerable, as evidenced by their eventually raising enough eyre that they were systematically driven from the regions that they were transplanted into...barely holding footholds in Mexico....and you are wrong in that they didn't move much, as tribes of the Apache, once the great American concentration on their place in the country, called an all out attack at just before the turn of the twentieth century...as Apache tribes were driven all the way up to the Dakotas, where there are presently numerous Apache tribes in the region, today....West and North of San Antonio, in a desert region was a Canyon area held to be sacred, first by the Apache, and then later the 'lords' of the region, the Comanche....since the Comanche were predominantly a mobile and buffalo oriented culture, they didn't go too far into the mountains, and remain....but leave no mistake, in protracted battles, the Comanche were consistently victorious over the smaller in stature, Apache.....Albuqurque, ever been down around El Paso? I was up to Albuqurque once, and of course, Alamogordo.. have you ever heard of the Tashiro Estates? Oh well, I won't get into the story covering J.R. Arms, the one armed private investgator who wrote a book that included an acquaintance of mine in one of his chapters, who was previously married to Mr. Tashiro and who was shot point blank range while in bed, following a gamblig debt on the Alli/Foreman boxing match, there in Alamagordo, but that's another story. I remember, when going to Dona Ana, near Waco Tanks, seeing an old dugout along the highway, where an old prospector lived and sat in his rocking chair by the highway...up until he pased away. There was still a deserted gold mine up in the Waco mountains. Every day that we were in exercises in the desert there, we came across a rattler, without fail....I also remember chasing a pair of wild mustangs in our APC across much of the training range....other stories, althoug....

Egads man, paragraphs are the eyes best friends.

 

[notherbob]

CCBoy & ABQCowboy -

Thanks to both of you for a good look at Indian history.

The Jumanos who were displaced by all this were a fairly sophisticated people, at least in the western central Texas area around Paint Rock. The pictographs there show a surprising grasp of astronomy and the movements of the stars as there are many astronomy-related pictographs there and several of the predict/depict seasons with accuracy.

The pictographs also show corn growing down in the flood plane of the Concho River and imply to me that it was a regional HQ for them or a central gathering place and likely the permanent residence of the Medicine chief. Most of the tribe consisted of family groups of nomads who traveled the large surrounding area following where the food was currently flourishing and gathered at the central location in the spring for news, marriages, rites and celebrations.

For more information on the fascinating archeoastronomical treasure trove that is Paint Rock, click here: http://gourmetgarlicgardens.com/paintrock.htm

And now, back to your regularly scheduled discussions.