Did the Cowboys actually look best in the NFC East

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"If you remove the INTS, fumbles, and consider that the 49ers are the best team any of the NFC East teams played, the Cowboys looked the best even though they got blown out" = Moral Victory.

"The other NFC East teams looked worse" = Moral Victory.

Saying the Cowboys came out on top in something since they didn't come out on top in the game = Moral Victory.

Probably should have just stuck to discussing the positives from the game instead of comparing the Cowboys' loss to other teams' losses. (And in the case of the Eagles, their win lol)

This was NOT a moral victory thread, but I guess you all to try to make it that way. Suit yourselves.
So be it, as I said i expected this...but hey, it does makes my day go by faster...
 

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If that's what you need to tell yourself, then have at it!

Since it is clear that I have misinterpreted the meaning of your original post (along with many others), I look forward to seeing a brief synopsis that would perhaps make it more clear at what the intention of your original post is. Now that we can eliminate the absurd notion that it was based on a moral victory, the alternate meaning is highly anticipated!
 

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Since it is clear that I have misinterpreted the meaning of your original post (along with many others), I look forward to seeing a brief synopsis that would perhaps make it more clear at what the intention of your original post is. Now that we can eliminate the absurd notion that it was based on a moral victory, the alternate meaning is highly anticipated!

Just as the post suggests, wanting opinions on if they thought what team looked the best.
I stated mine, but yet we know how threads get hijacked here all the time.
What is so hard to undestand a discussion on this.

If that is not clear enough, then why comment on things assuming I mean something else?
 

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This was NOT a moral victory thread, but I guess you all to try to make it that way. Suit yourselves.
So be it, as I said i expected this...but hey, it does makes my day go by faster...

I'm starting to think you don't understand what "moral victory" means lol...
 

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Let's play the take away game. Take away all the Eagles turnovers and they probably beat the Jaguars by 40. I hate when people say take away everything bad that happened and we looked good. Makes no sense. It's hard to say we looked better than a team who scored 35 unanswered in the 2nd half to easily win.

And don't let the score fool you. This game was over at 21-3. And especially when it got to 28-3, the Niners mailed it in and the 2nd half was nothing more than a glorified scrimmage. Their offense and defense became very vanilla and they were just trying to get out of there with no injuries. They could have scored on pretty much every possession if the game warranted it.
 

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Their entire secondary from last year is gone, with the exception of Reid, and then their two corners got injured during the game. This is not the same team, and many people thought the Cowboys could win that game by attacking the weakness of SF, which is their defense. I'm not saying that their team is built solely around Bowman and Aldon Smith, but please don't gloss over their loss like it's no big deal. Bowman is the best LB in the game and Smith is one of the top DE's in the game and their loss is a huge gap in that defense.

Their entire secondary is gone because the secondary wasn't very good last year lol. That was the weakest unit of their defense last year.

If Bowman is the best LB in the game than Patrick Willis is right behind him. The 9ers have a great D coordinator and a great system. Its like the Patriots the year they went 11-5 without Tom Brady. Once you have a system in place you can plug guys in. Do they miss Bowman? Sure they do. But there are pieces around him to make up for him. When you have as great of a defensive line you can get fill in for a Bowman.

As of right now, what unit on this team do you feel is better than the 9ers? Because I can't think of it. I'd like to say we have better corners but they sure didn't play like it on Sunday.
 

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Just as the post suggests, wanting opinions on if they thought what team looked the best.
I stated mine, but ...

And the reasons you gave are the epitome of "moral victory". Which is what a lot if people have been telling you. The fact that you want to hear other opinions doesn't change that.
 

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Let's play the take away game. Take away all the Eagles turnovers and they probably beat the Jaguars by 40. I hate when people say take away everything bad that happened and we looked good. Makes no sense. It's hard to say we looked better than a team who scored 35 unanswered in the 2nd half to easily win.

And don't let the score fool you. This game was over at 21-3. And especially when it got to 28-3, the Niners mailed it in and the 2nd half was nothing more than a glorified scrimmage. Their offense and defense became very vanilla and they were just trying to get out of there with no injuries. They could have scored on pretty much every possession if the game warranted it.

So you're mad about playing the "What if" game and you proceed to do it with the 9ers game lol.

Not that I disagree with you but its funny.

Look, there's no what if game here. But just like we can acknowledge the Eagirls scored 35 unanswered points....they also allowed the Jags to start off with 17 undanswered points which does prove the point that the Eagirls aren't unbeatable and had they faced at least a decent team the game would've been over.
 

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Their entire secondary is gone because the secondary wasn't very good last year lol. That was the weakest unit of their defense last year.

If Bowman is the best LB in the game than Patrick Willis is right behind him. The 9ers have a great D coordinator and a great system. Its like the Patriots the year they went 11-5 without Tom Brady. Once you have a system in place you can plug guys in. Do they miss Bowman? Sure they do. But there are pieces around him to make up for him. When you have as great of a defensive line you can get fill in for a Bowman.

As of right now, what unit on this team do you feel is better than the 9ers? Because I can't think of it. I'd like to say we have better corners but they sure didn't play like it on Sunday.

I'm not comparing the Cowboys defense with the Niner defense because they don't have to play against each other. I'm looking at the Cowboys offense vs. the Niner defense and the Cowboys should have exploited that match up as it was tailor made for them. The Niner offense is far from great and as bad as the Cowboys defense is, all they had to do was be average and they could have been in the game if the offense would have shown up. The Niners are weak on defense and I think when they play a competent offense, I'll be proven right.
 

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They were missing Bowman and Aldon Smith. Their team isn't built off those two guys. Justin Smith was still out there. P Willis was still out there. As stupid as Ahmad Brooks played in that 1st quarter he was still out there and is a Pro Bowler. Their receiving core is Boldin, Stevie Johnson and Crabtree. If they're "not that good" than who is in your eyes? Because they are arguably the 2nd best team we'll face this year behind the Seahawks.

Many analysts got caught up into how bad they looked in the preseason but they still have a solid roster not to mention a lot of those guys who were rookies are getting better. Eric Reid keeps getting better with each season.

Cowboys didn't lose to a bad team. They lost a superior team and did it by beating themselves.

Yeah, it's a shame that Romo completely missed T Williams streaking wide open behind the secondary, because that was a TD all the way and it would have been fun to mention that we got Williams along with Frederick (who looked dominant Sunday) in return for letting them Have Reid. Instead it is an embarrassing loss and Reid had an INT almost returned for the TD on that play.

Oh well...
 

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Just as the post suggests, wanting opinions on if they thought what team looked the best.
I stated mine, but yet we know how threads get hijacked here all the time.
What is so hard to undestand a discussion on this.

If that is not clear enough, then why comment on things assuming I mean something else?

You've had a bit of a rough time in this thread my friend, so to perhaps cheer you up, I will leave you with this good news!. The Cowboys are tied for 2nd in the NFCE and are only 1 game behind the Eagles with two games against them to go! The Cowboys still hold their playoff destiny in their own hands. Despite the preseason doom and gloom forecast, the 2014 Dallas Cowboys are 11th in the league in yards allowed. That's a lot to be optimistic about!
 

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You've had a bit of a rough time in this thread my friend, so to perhaps cheer you up, I will leave you with this good news!. The Cowboys are tied for 2nd in the NFCE and are only 1 game behind the Eagles with two games against them to go! The Cowboys still hold their playoff destiny in their own hands. Despite the preseason doom and gloom forecast, the 2014 Dallas Cowboys are 11th in the league in yards allowed. That's a lot to be optimistic about!

I don't need cheered up. Now you are just being a smart arse, and sounding like those are moral victories. Those are just one stats and generalities.
It's one game, I never get up or down after the first game. Actually i wait 3 or 4 games to form more of an opinion for the year.
 

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Yeah, it's a shame that Romo completely missed T Williams streaking wide open behind the secondary, because that was a TD all the way and it would have been fun to mention that we got Williams along with Frederick (who looked dominant Sunday) in return for letting them Have Reid. Instead it is an embarrassing loss and Reid had an INT almost returned for the TD on that play.

Oh well...

You're right but I do think Frederick's and Williams played enough to warrant the loss of Eric Reid. But I agree. It would've been nice if he hit on Terrance. I just hope that doesn't become a trend. Romo was essentially throwing punts and nothing is easier for a secondary player to do is catch a lobbed up ball like a punt.
 

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You're right but I do think Frederick's and Williams played enough to warrant the loss of Eric Reid.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. It just would have been dramatically demonstrated to the 9'er fans and I could have given the one's I know some hell about it. Kinda hard to do that now, lol.
 

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You're making up excuses as to why the Cowboys looked the best. The Eagles won the game, they overcame a terrible start then went on to outscore their opponent 34-0. Every other team in the division, including the Cowboys, lost in embarrassing fashion, and yet you still think the Cowboys looked the best? Ridiculous.

And there's your answer with no doubt about it.
 

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Not to throw some water on this parade, but the Eagles came back after the best guard in football (Mathis) and their back-up right tackle (the guy playing for Johnson, forget his name) were carted off the field. They were down to a third-stringer at RT and a back up at LG and still came back and won against a Jags D that really isn't that bad. The good thing is that the Eagles will be depleted on the o-line for quite a few games.
 

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Philly played 1 half of football and beat an NFL team by nearly 20. I'm not buying the hype on them being a great team but they certainly get the nod as the best team in the division after 1 week. For whatever that's worth...
 

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All four teams looked poor

Philly looked poor for one half and ended up overcoming a 17 point deficit to win by 17. It takes a talented, resilient team to win in a blowout after starting off in 17 point first half hole. A game like that will give Philly confidence knowing they can still win even when they don't play their best football. Go see when the last time the Cowboys overcame that kind of deficit to win a game. They do what JAX did cough up big leads and find ways to lose.
 
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