Did you Zoners believe it was spotted wrong? *Merge*

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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports..._In_short__a_familiar_problem_for_Eagles.html

For the better part of last season, third-and-short was a hurdle the Eagles couldn't seem to get over. For a while, it appeared it would be their undoing.
In their first 11 games last season, the Eagles converted just eight of 20 third-and-one situations. Not surprisingly, the Eagles won just five of those 11 games.

But then they got their short-yardage act together, converted six of eight third-and-ones in their final five regular-season games and five of six in the postseason and made it all the way to the NFC Championship Game.

In their first seven games this season, they were an impressive 12-for-15 on third downs of 2 yards or less, including 7-for-8 on third-and-1.

But last night, they came up short on three separate third-and-1s and a game-turning fourth-and-1 that gave the Cowboys a short field they used to set up their game-winning touchdown in a tough 20-16 loss.

With the game tied early in the fourth quarter, running back LeSean McCoy was stopped for no gain on a third-and-1 at the Dallas 45-yard line.

Rather than punt the ball away, coach Andy Reid decided to go for it on fourth-and-1. Donovan McNabb ran a quarterback sneak that appeared to get the first down.

But referee Walt Coleman's crew spotted the ball short of the first-down marker.

Reid challenged the spot, just as he did on a failed third-and-2 in the third quarter. But the spot was not changed. Five plays later, Cowboys wide receiver Miles Austin beat cornerback Sheldon Brown on a double move and caught a 49-yard touchdown pass from Tony Romo to put the Cowboys in front for good.

The spot on McNabb's failed fourth-and-1 seemed to be incorrect, but Reid refused to criticize the officials after the game.

"I can't go into the challenges," he said. "I can't do that unless you're going to pay [the fines] for them. They called them the way they called them."

McNabb felt he clearly had picked the first down on the quarterback sneak.

"I did," McNabb said. "I felt like half of my body was past the marker, which I'd seen. I landed on top of one of our guys and just slid and kept on moving.

"We thought we had a first down, but unfortunately, i guess, twice we didn't."

The Eagles, who converted six of 11 third-down opportunities in last week's win over the Giants, were just 4-for-12 against the Cowboys. Failed on a third-and-1 in the first quarter when McNabb, who completed just 16 of 30 passes and threw two interceptions, was high with a short toss to tight end Alex Smith.

Had a third-and-2 at their own 41 in the third quarter. McNabb completed a pass to McCoy, but the ball was spotted short of the first-down mark. Reid challenged that spot as well, but the ruling was upheld.

"To be at home and have those kind of calls go against you [is disappointing]," said wide receiver DeSean Jackson.

The failed challenges left the Eagles without any timeouts. The Eagles managed to get within four points on a 52-yard field goal by David Akers with 4:33 left in the game. But the Cowboys picked up a pair of first downs on their next possession, which was enough to let them run the clock out.
 

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It looked closer to the first down marker than where they spotted it, but that does not guarantee that the Eagles would have won the game. Dallas was playing at a high level all around!
 

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To be honest, yes I did based on the TV red line. But keep in mind that the red line on TV is unofficial. To overturn a call, there must be conclusive evidence and apparently there wasn't. The announcers were saying the bird's beak was the first down spot, but they don't really know what the officials considered to be the spot.
 

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i thought it was clearly closer than what the spot was but still might have been short
 

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Unless its blatantly obvious you were robbed (2+ yards) you should never challenge the spot of the ball.
 

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Hypnotoad;3065928 said:
Unless its blatantly obvious you were robbed (2+ yards) you should never challenge the spot of the ball.

I had no problems with Reid challenging the spot. :D
 

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nathanlt;3065923 said:
It looked closer to the first down marker than where they spotted it, but that does not guarantee that the Eagles would have won the game. Dallas was playing at a high level all around!

agreed...Andy Reid felt the same thing happening......thats why he took the risk and tryed to keep the ball.......He knew Dallas had momentum going on both Def & Offense...he tried to change it.
 

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The final spot was wrong and could have been moved out to the point of the beak if they were considering the play ended when McNabb's elbow hit the ground. That still would have left the Eagles short of the first down, so it did not matter. I think the play was over before McNabb's elbow hit the ground. Looked as if the refs considered McNabb's forward progress to be stopped prior to his elbow touching. The right thing to do to protect the QB from taking an unnecessary hit. Dallas stopped them.
 

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dbair1967;3065937 said:
wonder if Samuel's non PI call costs us a TD before halftime

Did we have enough time on the clock for more downs? I thought we were cutting it pretty close.

Yeagermeister;3065932 said:
I had no problems with Reid challenging the spot. :D

Agreed. If you want to tell the Refs they cant even spot the ball right I am all for it. Go for it.
 

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It amazes me how the eagles fans are crying over the refs. They are in denial. How can they cry over the refs in a game where the refs missed a TD call at the end of the first half.(the one on Roy).
 

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In all honesty, yes I thought the spot was wrong. I also thought Samuel interfered on the pass to RW in the end zone. So if the Eagles don't mind *****ing about BOTH calls: No Problem.

Otherwise, cry me a river.
 

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rkell87;3065927 said:
i thought it was clearly closer than what the spot was but still might have been short

It most definitely would have been short. I saw where the ball was when McNabb's elbow went down and where the yellow line and sticks were when the refs measured it. The sticks were on the far side of the yellow line so it still would have been about 3 inches short. Philly fans need to take a closer look at that and they will realize they were only cheated out of about 10-15 inches of field position.
 

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dbair1967;3065937 said:
wonder if Samuel's non PI call costs us a TD before halftime

Exactly. How do you call PI on Witten when the penalty happened within 5 yards of the LOS (and the contact was something you see on plenty of plays) yet don't call it when Samuels holds Roy entire arm down (in the endzone), stopping him from even having a chance to catch the ball.
 

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The annoucers made a good point about McChunky's left arm/elbow not being visible. So to say it should had been spotted at the eagle's beak was not correct because of the unknown.

Not enough conclusive evidence for an overturn.
 

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It was clearly a first down. Now if Romo was the QB stretching for it most here would say he got robbed. If McNabb is not touching the field and he is not touching the ground than the ball should have been marked where he scooted an extra foot. Bad call but I like the results.

At least we can say we are even for the non-call on Roy in the end zone.
 

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dueyhemlock;3065978 said:
The annoucers made a good point about McChunky's left arm/elbow was not visible. So to say it should had been spotted at the eagle's beak was not correct because of the unknown.

Not enough conclusive evidence for an overturn.

Exactly. The left elbow may have touched the ground before McNabb nudged the ball forward.
 

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rkell87;3065927 said:
i thought it was clearly closer than what the spot was but still might have been short
Yeah, I thought it was about 3-4 inches short of where it should have been, but even then it would have still been 3-4 inches short of a first down.

Not nearly as bad as that non-call on the PI in the endzone, though. That was a 4-point call there.
 
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