Didn't Eli win two super bowls?

[Aviano90]

I'd take the worst QB in the league and 2 SB titles as opposed to the best QB in the league and no titles, if I had to choose. Who is better is a fruitless discussion of opinions unless you care about who deserves the bigger contract. Otherwise the goal is to win a ring and Eli did that twice. Call it luck, call it being carried, those 2 rings can't be taken away and that is really all that matters.

 

[black label]

The 2011 Giants had the 27th ranked defense in yards and 25th ranked defense for points against.
Their PPG was lower than their PAPG. (points against per game)

Eli Manning threw for over 4,900 yards in the regular season(29-16) and in the postseason he threw for over 1,200 yards(9-1).

Cant stand eli but anyone that says it was his D and it wasn't him is nuts

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Sorry, I am not licking Eli. I try to avoid mouth breathers.

Whoops.....

It won;t let be edit it....

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yeah he threw up lucky balls that could of been intercepted that receivers made great plays on.. Please Eli was average at best..

This what I mean to say...lol?

 

[RonnieT24]

Its easy to say that but not accurate.

Go watch the championship game in 07 at Lambeau, or the most critical play of the superbowl in 07...manning escaped a sure sack and made the throw to tyree.

same in 2011. Go watch the game at Lambeau vs the 15-1 packers or at SF the next week. The Giants had a tremendous defense but they also beat some very good one's in Dallas, SF and New England in those two super bowl runs

I did watch that game.. The Giants should have lost that game if not for a muffed punt handing them the tying points at the end of regulation and then another muffed punt that handed them easy FG range in OT. The defense gave up 2, 20, 17, and 17 yards in that playoff run. The offense was pretty much along for the ride.. NO two ways about it.

 

[DFWJC]

Can't stand eli but anyone that says it was his D and it wasn't him is nuts

He certainly played a part in it.
The defense was the main driver, but like Flacco in his playoff run, Eli did play efficient playoff football.

I assume you mean anyone that says he wasn't a big part of it....that his D wasn't the ONLY part of it.

And I can't agree with Mike b on that helmet catch , close your eyes, hail mary throw my Eli.
For starters, for sure he was in the grasp...more than once.. And second, that was about as pure luck as any throw I've ever seen.

To his credit, they didn't blow the whistle so he kept playing and managed to get out the grasp couple of times to hurl in the air anywhere near a Giant.
He just threw it up for grabs and Tyre somehow pinned it against his helmet and came down in the crowd with the ball.
You may see a catch like that once every 15 years.

Not only that. The play before that he threw it right to Samuel, the NE defedner...who dropped it. The dude had an angle on his shoulder that day.

IN 2007
Eli threw for 3300 yards, had 23 TDs and a whopping 20 ints.
He was average at best that year, but got on a roll in the playoffs

In the SB, Eli ended up with 2 TDs , 1 int, and an 87 QB rating ...all while his team scored 17 points to win the Super Bowl. And the Defense held the highest-scoring team in decades to 14 points.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Eli did win two superbowls.

The guy is so-so in the regular season but he stepped up in the playoffs when needed. The Giants didn't need him to be like Rodgers or Mahomes. They needed him to make plays when needed and avoid turnovers. He did that.

And his D held the Pats to 17 points. That's a gift.

 

[Brooksey]

Although I agree with him on "today's" defenses. Meaning only the here and now premise of 2020 and beyond of so called just good enough defenses.

I agree wirh you that prior to this year you could add several others to your '85 Bears list here and KC would have been handily defeated.
Just depends whichever era or year you want to start.
Off the top of my head
2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs, 2013 Seahawks, 2015 Broncos.

Those defenses "dominated" the LOS and would have eaten Mahommes alive.

But like I said to give equal balance to his side, in this present year 2020 nobody is playing defense like the aforementioned teams I listed so his argument has merit.

The NFLs new version of defense has become just be "good enough" not to cause a loss. Don't hafta be dominant anymore because everything is geared towards offensive scoring.

So yeah, Mahomes wouldn't have beaten those defenses but he can beat all these present day ones just like he did last year.

Can't really disagree with what your saying but just because nobody is playing great defense this year doesn't mean it can't be played "anymore". The guy saying that is a child playing video games in his mothers basement/. @Future

 

[JJHLH1]

The Giants, Seattle and Baltimore all won Super Bowls largely on their defense. Ultimately though, there is no one formula for winning other than just being better than the opponent.

I’d throw 2015 Denver with Peyton Manning into that group as well. That defense was stacked:

“It was No. 1 in total defense (283.1 yards), No. 1 in pass defense (199.6), No. 1 in sacks (52), No. 3 against the run (83.6), No. 4 in scoring (18.5) and No. 3 in defensive touchdowns (5). Those numbers alone would put the Broncos in the top 10 of all-time defenses.”

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14723383/denver-broncos-defense-2015-best-ever-nfl

 

[black label]

He certainly played a part in it.
The defense was the main driver, but like Flacco in his playoff run, Eli did play efficient playoff football.

I assume you mean anyone that says he wasn't a big part of it....that his D wasn't the ONLY part of it.

And I can't agree with Mike b on that helmet catch , close your eyes, hail mary throw my Eli.
For starters, for sure he was in the grasp...more than once.. And second, that was about as pure luck as any throw I've ever seen.

To his credit, they didn't blow the whistle so he kept playing and managed to get out the grasp couple of times to hurl in the air anywhere near a Giant.
He just threw it up for grabs and Tyre somehow pinned it against his helmet and came down in the crowd with the ball.
You may see a catch like that once every 15 years.

IN 2007
Eli threw for 3300 yards, had 23 TDs and a whopping 20 ints.
He was average at best that year, but got on a roll in the playoffs

In the SB, Eli ended up with 2 TDs , 1 int, and an 87 QB rating ...all while his team scored 17 points to win the Super Bowl. And the Defense held the highest-scoring team in decades to 14 points.

dont tell me about regular season stats I know he sux. He made ridiculous throws everytime they were pretty much done, and on the road. dont tell me about regular season stats I know he sux.

 

[Runwildboys]

I'd take the worst QB in the league and 2 SB titles as opposed to the best QB in the league and no titles, if I had to choose. Who is better is a fruitless discussion of opinions unless you care about who deserves the bigger contract. Otherwise the goal is to win a ring and Eli did that twice. Call it luck, call it being carried, those 2 rings can't be taken away and that is really all that matters.

But when people argue that Dak isn't good enough to win a SB, Eli is evidence to the contrary, IMO.

 

[DFWJC]

dont tell me about regular season stats I know he sux. He made ridiculous throws everytime they were pretty much done, and on the road. dont tell me about regular season stats I know he sux.

I just told you about the SB game.

The only reason I put reg ssn stats in there was because the previous post had them.

Dude literally threw it right to a New England receiver the play before the hail mary pass...and Asante Samuels dropped it.
Then the close your eyes heave to a WR surrounded by 3 defenders "clutch throw"

I do realize he got on a roll during those playoffs.

 

[Aviano90]

But when people argue that Dak isn't good enough to win a SB, Eli is evidence to the contrary, IMO.

He's good enough to win with, as are most NFL QBs. Odds are stacked against him actually winning though. Saying a QB isn't good enough to win with is one of the safest bets in all of sports. If you say it for every QB you'll be right 90+% of the time.

 

[Runwildboys]

He's good enough to win with, as are most NFL QBs. Odds are stacked against him actually winning though. Saying a QB isn't good enough to win with is one of the safest bets in all of sports. If you say it for every QB you'll be right 90+% of the time.

Or at least there won't be good enough evidence to dispute it.

 

[Future]

Can't really disagree with what your saying but just because nobody is playing great defense this year doesn't mean it can't be played "anymore". The guy saying that is a child playing video games in his mothers basement/. @Future

OK, boomer.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

He stepped up BIG in both SB wins

Or lucked out BIG either way you want to look at it

defense got him there but he made BIG throws on the BIG stage
and the Miami faithful will love him forever.

Whereas Peyton was lucky enough to get second Super Bowl WITHOUT “stepping up”... at all.
He said so himself after the game.

 

[Ring Leader]

I'd take the worst QB in the league and 2 SB titles as opposed to the best QB in the league and no titles, if I had to choose. Who is better is a fruitless discussion of opinions unless you care about who deserves the bigger contract. Otherwise the goal is to win a ring and Eli did that twice. Call it luck, call it being carried, those 2 rings can't be taken away and that is really all that matters.

That's why Emmit would never trade careers with Barry.

 

[DFWJC]

One player had a regular season passer rating of 97.1 and a playoff passer rating of 93.0
The other player had a regular season passer rating of 84.1 and a playoff passer rating of 87.4.


So one guy was MUCH better than the other in the regular season and in the playoffs.

One guy threw 8 TDs and 2 INTs in his playoff career while the other guy threw 18 TDs and 9 INTs. Seems like 4:1 is better than 2:1. Anybody really wanna argue that?

One guy's best postseason run yielded a 103.3 passer rating in that postseason.. The other guy's best postseason run yielded a 125.7 passer rating.. Which guy "stepped it up" again?

Eli led the NFL in INTs THREE times.. He threw more picks than TDs twice in his career. Something Romo never did. Eli played on better teams with better coaching.. Romo was the better player and the numbers bear it out in both the regular season and the playoffs.

 

[DFWJC]

That's why Emmit would never trade careers with Barry.

So true.

And flip it
You can be sure Barry is not retiring after years of playing for a franchise that did not even seem to really want to win.....

If he was with those 90s Cowboys teams, he is in heaven....and gathering rings like Emmitt did..

 

[Runwildboys]

Whereas Peyton was lucky enough to get second Super Bowl WITHOUT “stepping up”... at all.
He said so himself after the game.

Yeah, but he stepped up throughout most of his career, so it kinda balanced out.