Difference between Dak and Romo

Grevus

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There are so many problems on this team and Dak is NOT on the top of the list. Dak is in his 2nd year, and although I'm disappointed, I need to give him time. This style of vanilla offense that we run demands the QB to play at a high level and a running game that scares defenses. Right now, we don't have either. Our WR core is average, and Dez is not the threat he once was. Witten is a HOF, but doesn't scare anyone. Our OL is having issues with keep a clean pocket. The defense can't get to the QB and we have to blitz which puts a strain on an already weak secondary. At least our kicking game is good. At the top of my list is coaching and the "Process".
 

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LOL @ ignore the coaches. You're right he just made up plays not installed in practice.

The fact is Dak can't read a defense pre snap so giving him freedom to make drastic changes at the line is meaningless.

And then when you have the perfect play that gets your hall of fame TE who runs a 5.6 forty wide open instead of hitting him you go to your safety blanket Beasley and throw a pick six. That's a 14 point swing that has nothing to do with coaching or ignoring of said coaching.

That's what the Dak apologists continue to ignore. The dude had a 46.3 qb rating when he faced no pressure.
Strawmanning.

Romo practiced the plays but changed them at the line or modified one WRs route at the line.

I thought you understood the basics of football but maybe I over-estimated you.
 

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Not even close. Tony would have won all three games. And I promise you, we would have had more than 0 points in the third quarter.

I wouldn't say all three, but two at least.

NFL truth: Defenses do not respect Dak. That's not in comparison to Romo, that's straight up. Look at the numbers. 14 sacks in the last 3 games. 5 interceptions says a lot about what the defense is doing. And what they are saying is "Dare you to beat us."

If you look at the numbers, Dak has thrown a total of 100 passes longer than 11 yards. He's completed 40%. Not truly bad numbers but it does give you an idea of where the ball is going. It also helps to know that 13 of his 16 TDs came on 20 yard or less throws.

Another quick comparison: The difference in Romoball and Dak is Romo MADE you shut him down. Gunslinger, all the way. If he was going to lose he was going to lose doing whatever it took to win. Dak tries to pay a perfect game while working back into the game. He doesn't take chances. And that is not the coaches fault he's checking down.

A difference in Dak this year and Dak last year is taking care of the ball. Last year inside the 20 on either end of the field he had QB rating of 72, with 1 interception inside our 20 and 2 inside the opponents 20. This year inside the 20 on either end of the field he's a 57. Part of that is due to 3 interceptions inside his 20 and 3 inside the opponents 20.

Last year Dak had an average yards of attempt of 7.99. This year he is down to 6.68 (ranked 25 in the NFL). In fact, he's only cracked 7.00 four times, against Arizona, San Francsico, the Rams, and Kansas City. Any coincidence 4 of those were wins and the other a close loss?

I'm inclined to believe Dak is also on a pitch count. Last year his completion percentage dipped to 59% after 31 attempts per game. This year he's at 53% after 31 attempts. After 31, his yard per attempt also drops to 5.43. So iIts to the our advantage to keep him under that 31 pitch count where he is most effective. And its to our advantage to keep him in positive down yardage so he doesn't have to make throws outside his comfort zone.

But having all that data in front of him, Mr. NFL Defensive Coordinator wants Dak throwing because the more he throws the more mistakes he makes, the more his game erodes. And having all that data Mr. NFL Defensive Coordinator is willing to gamble that Dak isn't going to beat him (until Dak proves he can beat him).

Being a young QB he has to grow, he has to work on his game. If you think he doesn't see these numbers every week and work on improving them, well, I can't help you. He does. And he knows he needs to improve in these areas. He has the ability. He has to mindset. He just needs to continue working and it will eventually all come together.

Now, anybody who wants to bring the defense into it is forgetting we knew going in the defense was not going to be the strength of this team. The defense is what it is, (14th overall) average at best. Part of our defense was supposed to be a great offense who could move the ball and eat clock.

That just hasn't happened like we planned.
 

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There are so many problems on this team and Dak is NOT on the top of the list. Dak is in his 2nd year, and although I'm disappointed, I need to give him time. This style of vanilla offense that we run demands the QB to play at a high level and a running game that scares defenses. Right now, we don't have either. Our WR core is average, and Dez is not the threat he once was. Witten is a HOF, but doesn't scare anyone. Our OL is having issues with keep a clean pocket. The defense can't get to the QB and we have to blitz which puts a strain on an already weak secondary. At least our kicking game is good. At the top of my list is coaching and the "Process".

I hear you but i disagree with you saying Dak desreves a pass because he is onky in his 2nd year. Were you one of the people saying how great Dak is and how the Cowboys found thier future QB? If you were than you cant have it both ways. Since Dak has taking a huge step backwards you cant now say well Dak is only in his second year he needs time to grow. Come on people. The excuses are so exhausting. Its so funny how Romo never had rhis luxury. Dak is so so in accurate sometimes it has to make you shake your head
 

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Any comparison between these two should not be made

Ones a gunslinging TD machine and the other is a low energy dink and dunker
 

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My point was to not to compare Dak to Romo. I didnt say Dak is better or not as good as Romo was.

That Romo dindnt elevate People around him is what i came to because i watched every game of his carreer.
If you think else because of one player who played with him for 1 year of his career its ok with me but it doesnt prove alot to me. If you have no other arguments i'll stick to my opinion.

Romo had for example WRs like Patrick Crayton, Kevin Ogletree, Sam Hurd, Dwayne Harris, Roy Williams or Tight Ends like Martellus Bennett he played with.

If you want to say that it wasn't Laurents talent and the players around him that made him better. But it was only thru Romo then why had Romo so many other WRs and TEs who didnt flourish with him ?
A good example is Roy Williams. A player who was good in Detroit but fell off under Romo.
Cole Beasley had his best season not with Romo but with Dak Prescott. So that could be an argument that not Romo elevated players around him but Dak does.
Martellus Bennett florished after leaving Dallas.
Given Laurent had the best season of his career with Romo but so did Dwayne Harris after leaving DC to the NYfG. So did Eli elevate his play but Romo couldnt ?

So for every Laurent there are 5 other players who i could say they "suffered" from being paired with Romo.

And remember: When Laurent was here he was surrounded by players like: Dez Bryant, DeMarco Murray, Jason Witten, Miles Austin and Martellus Bennett.


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Nice analysis and summary. Its not all about the QB. He's one of eleven......
 

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Strawmanning.

Romo practiced the plays but changed them at the line or modified one WRs route at the line.

I thought you understood the basics of football but maybe I over-estimated you.
Those are things you expect a QB to do when he is playing at a high level.

That isn't unique or special to Romo, though he was certainly more than adept at it.

Dak wouldn't even know what to update routes to at this stage of his career. So it's not a condemnation of the coaching staff that he isn't doing that.
 

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What is the point of this thread exactly? Is it so Romo lovers can gloat?

No one thinks Dak is a better QB than Romo was.

But Romo's time was up - his last 3 big hits have put him out for an extended period of time, and the next hit may have been his last. So please stop with the "should have kept Romo" crap. Dude is physically unable to perform.

Romo was not hurt last year, he came off the bench and actually played against the Eagles...............you know, the same team that just curb stomped Dak and company and then laughed about how easy of a mark they were to the media and how they made them quit.

Don't ever recall opposing players saying they made Romo quit, not when the dude would play games with a collapsed lung.
 

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Whatever other reason that individual is thinking other than football.

If you are trying to make this into a racial thing...............and it kinda sounds like you are...............you should tread very carefully

I highly advise you clarify what you mean by "reasons other than football" between Dak and Romo besides the obvious color of their skin. You are venturing into account ban territory with these accusations if this is what you are implying.
 

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Romo was not hurt last year, he came off the bench and actually played against the Eagles...............you know, the same team that just curb stomped Dak and company and then laughed about how easy of a mark they were to the media and how they made them quit.

Don't ever recall opposing players saying they made Romo quit, not when the dude would play games with a collapsed lung.

Romo didn't lose 44 to 6 against the eagles? The team didn't quit in a season which led to Wade getting canned and Garrett getting the job in the first place? The only reason Dak got the job in the first place was Romo getting injured in preseason. Romo got injured in 2015 in the game against the Eagles, came back several games later, got knocked back out of the season against the Panthers. Come preseason, he gets hit against the Seahawks and is knocked out again. Dak was sacked 12 times between the Atlanta and the Phily game. I'm sorry, but Romo isn't finished those games.
 

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Did anyone watch the defense today? And you think this is Dak's fault? Really? Let's have an honest discussion here....tell me the real reason you don't want Dak to be QB for the Cowboys. Because some of you are THINKING that he's not a good QB is not it. And I have yet to hear one analyst that think he's not. So, let's be honest here.
Come on man the score was 3-0 at the half 16-0 at the end of the 3rd,what do you need a few defensive scores to make the offense look good
 

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Romo made everybody around him better, like Larant Robinson and Miles Austin who never did jack without Romo.

Dak doesn’t elevate our scrubs, he instead plays down to their level and ends up sucking himself.

And Romo puts up more than 6 points against a 4 win team............just saying
Another difference is Romo was still on the bench at this point in his career.
 

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Not fair to Dak to compare him to Romo, not even close at this point.
Saying that, I like Dak, seems like a great kid, he just sucks as a QB right now.
Hopefully that changes.
 

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Pre-Draft scouting report in Dak, point being his identified weaknesses from college are apparent this year:

Beat up this year thanks to poor protection. When he wasn't being sacked, he was being hit hard. Not as competitive a rusher in 2015. Sacks and usage in run game might be taking a toll. Increase in short pass attempts from 86 to 208 this year reason for higher completion numbers. Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Must speed up the pace of his reads. Footwork is a mess. Slight stride onto stiff upper leg with little weight shift. Restricted follow through and too often tries to muscle throws with upper body. Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws. Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense. Needs to improve anticipation.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/dak-prescott?id=2555260
 

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Romo didn't lose 44 to 6 against the eagles? The team didn't quit in a season which led to Wade getting canned and Garrett getting the job in the first place? The only reason Dak got the job in the first place was Romo getting injured in preseason. Romo got injured in 2015 in the game against the Eagles, came back several games later, got knocked back out of the season against the Panthers. Come preseason, he gets hit against the Seahawks and is knocked out again. Dak was sacked 12 times between the Atlanta and the Phily game. I'm sorry, but Romo isn't finished those games.

Romo was rushed back 2015 to try and save the season without playing and really practicing at all before the Panthers game.. the surgery for 2016 was actually for the same collarbone to relieve it of any potential future issues..

2016, he was still fat after coming off surgery and didn’t practice all off season abc training camp and was jogging at a slow pace and slid awkwardly when the Seattle defender fell on him while Romo was in a sitting position.. even Dak could have fractured a disk on that type of play..
 
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