Difference between Dak and Romo

[RJ_MacReady]

I remember watching Romo in pre season before he was a starter and he was always the gunslinger we know and love. That (probably) was one of the reasons Parcells didn't start him earlier. Romo always had a good arm and mechanics. You could just see it. Go look at those early years and compare him to Dak..it's night and day. The reason Romo didn't start early on was because Parcells was conservative . You guys are acting as if Romo was a one read (Dak, RG3) type of player and that's just not true...

Yeah, I disagree with almost everything you just typed.

 

[Greasylake17]

THANK YOU! So tired of these Romosexuals leaving out the fact that Romo was groomed for 3 seasons before getting his start.

It’s waaay too early to be giving up on Dak.

Romosexuals? . It seems like your not a Romo fan I take it? Were you one of the fans bashing Romo for every loss? Or let me ask this. Were you one of the fans saying how Great Dak is and great he is going to be and already ranked him just as good as any QB in the league last year? I had to read posts that made ne throw up in my mouth. I read topics on here that as of right now ..today ( meaning at the end of last season) that Dak is just as good if not better than Brady. Blah blah blah. By NO means am I saying that you were one of those people. Im not saying that at all. Im just asking of you feel in love worh Dak and have posted or belived how great Dak is or how greay he will def be? It makes me laugh how fans after one season annoint him to be a top 5 QB, but now that he is not playing well at all those same people say how can you judge a guy who is only in his 2nd year??? Its so hypricatal. Again not saying you were the one saying that. I just was curious.

 

[Gameover]

Nonsense.. Parcells has always been extremely controlling over the game plan and not taking risks.. the whole narrative during that year particularly in December was to control Romo’s risk taking and ‘penchant’ for TOs

That’s why the very next year, Romo was shattering passing records without a decent OL and no real explosive running game..

Insufferable BS being slung here

I'll just SMH at it.

No decent OL! LOL.. and I hate F. Adams guts. But this is ridiculous

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You have no clue what you're talking about. I've watched Saints games regularly for past 3 seasons because I have Brees as my FF QB. The amount of separation between NO receivers vs Cowboys receivers are night and day.

So what you're telling me is the system is soo good in NO that WRs are always open and yet 7-9 three straight seasons?

Yes, let's import that system.

As to your...you understand because Brees was your fantasy QB LOL.

As a for your information I run 5 teams with 10s of thousands of dollars on the line and have owned Brees multiple times over the years. The idea he is just playing pitch and catch is absurd.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Still way better than Bledsoe..

And we lost because our defense and Bradie James couldn’t stop a basic screen pass..

so he gets a pass because the defense sucks? It's not like the stellar defensive performance that Dak gets from his.

 

[xwalker]

Romo made everybody around him better, like Larant Robinson and Miles Austin who never did jack without Romo.

Dak doesn’t elevate our scrubs, he instead plays down to their level and ends up sucking himself.

And Romo puts up more than 6 points against a 4 win team............just saying

Romo implied that Austin was better than Dez.

I think Austin would have been good with Dak.

 

[Gameover]

Romo implied that Austin was better than Dez.

When did he do that?

I agree w you on Austin

 

[khiladi]

Insufferable BS being slung here

I'll just SMH at it.

No decent OL! LOL.. and I hate F. Adams guts. But this is ridiculous

Besides the fact Bledsoe was a turn over machine and holding on to the balk way too long like Dak is now, Dallas basically employed a whole bunch of two tight end formations for blocking..

And the OL play was awful and the 2006 line was known for being awful in
pass protection.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Interesting.

How many guys was Romo making better in the middle of his 2nd year?

 

[Mr Cowboy]

In the game book on NFL.com they have nextgen stats. One of them is average separation of the WRs on completions. You might want to check it out: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017112301/2017/REG12/Chargers@Cowboys?icampaign=scoreStrip-globalNav-2017112301#menu=gameinfo|contentId:0ap3000000882073&tab=ngs

For the Chargers Allen was targeted 14 times and had 11 catches, his average separation was 2.17 yards. That is well below the NFL average of 2.74 yards. For the Cowboys TWill was targeted 5 times with 4 catches, his separation was 3.41 yards. Overall the Chargers had no more separation than our WRs on completions.

Edit: And they have those stats for every game. So I also know that Alshon Jeffrey for the Eagles was targeted 7 times and had 4 catches vs us. On those catches he averaged a whopping 1.88 yards of separation.

NFL QBs make tight throws, a LOT. They complete them a lot. And there is frequently very little separation. That's pretty much what it means to throw a receiver open.

And I believe Williams made those catches. What was Dez's separation? You don't need stats to see Allen running open all over the field. Allen doesn't need to be thrown perfect back shoulder or jump balls. Their TE was running open when ever Rivers needed a play. Benjamin, their RB were wide open by a mile. Compare that to Dez, who runs right at the CB and wants a perfectly thrown 50/50 ball. Beasely is being bracketed and is taken out of the game, Witten is old and ineffective. That leaves what? The coaches can't seem to scheme any of these players to get open.

 

[khiladi]

so he gets a pass because the defense sucks? It's not like the stellar defensive performance that Dak gets from his.

No he gets a pass because Parcells was extremely conservative and ran a simplified offense and Romo was a gunslinger with Parcells trying to stifle him though, Romo basically saved the season from disaster and got Parcells a playoff birth when it didn’t even look that was even happening and the defense blew up in the process because Kitna basically just started attacking Bradie James..

On the other hand, Dallas is limiting Dak because he can’t do certain things..

 

[JDSmith]

And I believe Williams made those catches. What was Dez's separation? You don't need stats to see Allen running open all over the field. Allen doesn't need to be thrown perfect back shoulder or jump balls. Their TE was running open when ever Rivers needed a play. Benjamin, their RB were wide open by a mile. Compare that to Dez, who runs right at the CB and wants a perfectly thrown 50/50 ball. Beasely is being bracketed and is taken out of the game, Witten is old and ineffective. That leaves what? The coaches can't seem to scheme any of these players to get open.

Go look at it, the game book for each game contains the information. They have sensors on the players and multiple devices around the field to record their positions. They know exactly how far apart they are. Unfortunately they only show the stats for completions. I'd love to see them break it down by receiver on a play by play basis. But on completions our receivers are as open as anyone else's, and frequently more open.

Yes, the Atlanta game there was no separation. In that game they were completing passes to open guys and Dak was completing passes to guys who were covered. But the last 2 games that simply hasn't been the case at all.

That doesn't address whether there are better targets on a play, or how tight the coverage is on incompletions. But it does show that the other team is not throwing completions to guys who are wide open nearly as often as a lot of our fans want to believe.

 

[tico]

One of the reason we lost that game was we did not run Zeke enough, key downs we failed to convert, end game we did not run the ball and spiked it. Enough said. I loath Linehan after that game.

So running the ball in the 4th down 28-13 would of got us a W? Nuff said! Thank you Dak!

 

[lostar2009]

Wasn't saying this when the team was 13-3 last year.

 

[crazytown41]

I remember watching Romo in pre season before he was a starter and he was always the gunslinger we know and love. That (probably) was one of the reasons Parcells didn't start him earlier. Romo always had a good arm and mechanics. You could just see it. Go look at those early years and compare him to Dak..it's night and day. The reason Romo didn't start early on was because Parcells was conservative . You guys are acting as if Romo was a one read (Dak, RG3) type of player and that's just not true...

The RG3 comparisons are interesting. I remember Deadskins fans making the same excuses for him as people are in here after RG3's mediocre sophomore season. Time will tell where Dak goes after this adversity...

 

[Super_Kazuya]

The RG3 comparisons are interesting. I remember Deadskins fans making the same excuses for him as people are in here after RG3's mediocre sophomore season. Time will tell where Dak goes after this adversity...

It’s funny because Dak slobberers always bristle at the RGIII comparison, but what have we here?
RGIII QB rating difference 1st to 2nd season: 102.4 - 82.2 = 20.2
Dak QB rating difference 1st to 2nd season: 104.9 - 87.6 = 17.3
But, but... RGIII is a gimmick QB! Meanwhile Dak has been so horrible on third down lately that the only way they can pick up first downs is, you guessed it.. the good old RGIII read option.
With five games still to go, and no solutions (or Zeke) in sight, Dak’s second season is probably going to make RGIII’s seem like prime Peyton Manning.

 

[AzorAhai]

In the game book on NFL.com they have nextgen stats. One of them is average separation of the WRs on completions. You might want to check it out: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017112301/2017/REG12/Chargers@Cowboys?icampaign=scoreStrip-globalNav-2017112301#menu=gameinfo|contentId:0ap3000000882073&tab=ngs

For the Chargers Allen was targeted 14 times and had 11 catches, his average separation was 2.17 yards. That is well below the NFL average of 2.74 yards. For the Cowboys TWill was targeted 5 times with 4 catches, his separation was 3.41 yards. Overall the Chargers had no more separation than our WRs on completions.

Edit: And they have those stats for every game. So I also know that Alshon Jeffrey for the Eagles was targeted 7 times and had 4 catches vs us. On those catches he averaged a whopping 1.88 yards of separation.

NFL QBs make tight throws, a LOT. They complete them a lot. And there is frequently very little separation. That's pretty much what it means to throw a receiver open.

Lol. Guys like damn, I didn’t know they had a stat that would make my claim look ridiculous.

 

[Zman5]

So what you're telling me is the system is soo good in NO that WRs are always open and yet 7-9 three straight seasons?

Yes, let's import that system.

As to your...you understand because Brees was your fantasy QB LOL.

As a for your information I run 5 teams with 10s of thousands of dollars on the line and have owned Brees multiple times over the years. The idea he is just playing pitch and catch is absurd.

So all games are won or lost by how much the WRs are getting separation?
Another post by you that displays your lack of football knowledge.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

Romosexuals? . It seems like your not a Romo fan I take it? Were you one of the fans bashing Romo for every loss? Or let me ask this. Were you one of the fans saying how Great Dak is and great he is going to be and already ranked him just as good as any QB in the league last year? I had to read posts that made ne throw up in my mouth. I read topics on here that as of right now ..today ( meaning at the end of last season) that Dak is just as good if not better than Brady. Blah blah blah. By NO means am I saying that you were one of those people. Im not saying that at all. Im just asking of you feel in love worh Dak and have posted or belived how great Dak is or how greay he will def be? It makes me laugh how fans after one season annoint him to be a top 5 QB, but now that he is not playing well at all those same people say how can you judge a guy who is only in his 2nd year??? Its so hypricatal. Again not saying you were the one saying that. I just was curious.

Not reading all of that, but to answer your first question: I didn’t bash Romo throughout his career and even defended him occasionally.

The revisionists on this forum are trying to convince everyone that Romo was “Romo” out the gate. And since 2nd year Dak doesn’t look or play to the level of “Romo”, then that’s a wrap, boys. Please. 2nd year Romo was sitting on the bench, unlearning his sidearm throwing motion.

Romo is gone. Time to get over.

 

[Greasylake17]

Romosexuals? . It seems like your not a Romo fan I take it? Were you one of the fans bashing Romo for every loss? Or let me ask this. Were you one of the fans saying how Great Dak is and great he is going to be and already ranked him just as good as any QB in the league last year? I had to read posts that made ne throw up in my mouth. I read topics on here that as of right now ..today ( meaning at the end of last season) that Dak is just as good if not better than Brady. Blah blah blah. By NO means am I saying that you were one of those people. Im not saying that at all. Im just asking of you feel in love worh Dak and have posted or belived how great Dak is or how greay he will def be? It makes me laugh how fans after one season annoint him to be a top 5 QB, but now that he is not playing well at all those same people say how can you judge a guy who is only in his 2nd year??? Its so hypricatal. Again not saying you were the one saying that. I just was curious.[/QUOTE


So Romosexual as you call it saved this franchise from being the Clevland Browns. He made mediorce teams so so much better than they really were. Romo masked every single flaw in the roster and all the inept coaching and inept GM for years and years. So if thats what you choose to call us Romosexuals than yes thats me. By no means am I saying Romo is the greatest ever. Im not saying that. He was a great Cowboy and made the teams he played for so much betyer than they were and most fans and media S**t on him. It was not fair. Meanwhile I have to read when Dak loses its the defenses fault, the coaching, the refs. Romo never got that luxury and its a shame. He never desreved to be abused week after week while Dak is afforded the luxury Romo never had. Its a shame. Romo gave his heart and soul and body for this team. Romo deserved better. So i get it Romo is gone and to move on. I get that. So please dont say that. I was just responded to be being called a Romosexual.