Difference between Dak and Romo

[Toruk_Makto]

Drew Brees is a great QB but his WR are wide open most of the time. He actually plays in a real system where they get their WR open. Dak ,on the hand plays, in JG's Tecmo Bowl offense.

This isn't true. You see Drew with amazing ball placement most of the time and when you do see a WR open that's because Drew saw it too and hit the wr.

We have guys open every game that Dak misses whereas a Romo or Brees wouldn't.

Do you think Romo misses a WIDE open Witten for a td yesterday? Do you think he misses his hot route in Beasley on a blitz last weekend?

Did you see the one good back shoulder throw that Dak made and it was easily brought in by Dez for 18 (btw at the time it was our longest play from scrimmage and left Romo gushing)? For Dak a back shoulder throw is a struggle (See the Philly game where he had Dez for an easy td). For an elite qb it has to be a throw they can make in their sleep.

Also I've seen quite a few people say Romo had as good an offensive line as we've sported the last two years. Holy Hell people are fine making up their own realities. It simply isn't true. Romo inherited some pro bowl in name only offensive talent and even those guys quickly disappeared and were replaced by the Phil Costas of the world. Dak has played with, at a minimum, 3 of the best offensive linemen if not the best offensive linemen at their respective positions for the entirety of his short career.

He doesn't help set the protections and he very rarely audibles into advantageous looks when faced with a defensive call that neutralizes the offensive call. At times it didn't matter because of an overwhelming talent advantage. Now it matters because that margin, as it always happens, erodes quickly.

What we're seeing is a 4th round qb playing like a 4th round qb when literally everything isn't a simple hand off or pitch and catch.

The book on Dak isn't written just yet but man this is a sad chapter.

 

[DIAF]

What is the point of this thread exactly? Is it so Romo lovers can gloat?

No one thinks Dak is a better QB than Romo was.

But Romo's time was up - his last 3 big hits have put him out for an extended period of time, and the next hit may have been his last. So please stop with the "should have kept Romo" crap. Dude is physically unable to perform.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

What is the point of this thread exactly? Is it so Romo lovers can gloat?

No one thinks Dak is a better QB than Romo was.

But Romo's time was up - his last 3 big hits have put him out for an extended period of time, and the next hit may have been his last. So please stop with the "should have kept Romo" crap. Dude is physically unable to perform.

Romo was healthy at the time. You put him in. And you have Dak there ready to be reinserted should Romo go down. And if that would have damaged Dak's self confidence and psyche as some suggested then we'd have known he isn't the qb we need.

 

[Dorsett33]

What "other reasons" are you referring to?

Whatever other reason that individual is thinking other than football.

 

[Lunzatis]

anyone who does not realize that Dak shares part of the blame is not worth listening to.

Anyone who automatically discredits what I said and every single reason I listed doesn't know anything about football. I listed EVERY reason why Dak is struggling but you automatically discredit it because you don't like what I say, which is complete truth. That receiving core is awful if you take Beasley and Witten away which is what the opposing defenses have done this entire year since the Broncos game and it has shown that the Cowboys do NOT have a legit deep threat to keep defenses honest which is one reason why opposing teams are blitzing more. The O-line is average and has been exposed as such, especially with opposing teams blitzing more with no legit deep threat receiver to burn them with, which has Dak usually running for his life and getting hit far more than he did last season. Dak is already up to 22 sacks where last season he only had 25 sacks and that doesn't even include the number of times Dak has been hit. The O-line is crap because there is NO depth to pick up the slack for when one of the starters go out. Let's not forget the fact that the offense is vanilla and completely predictable as said by NUMEROUS opposing teams. It's kind of hard to actually do anything when your opponent already knows what you are going to do because it's the same thing the offense does EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

 

[DIAF]

Romo was healthy at the time. You put him in. And you have Dak there ready to be reinserted should Romo go down. And if that would have damaged Dak's self confidence and psyche as some suggested then we'd have known he isn't the qb we need.

I dont give a f about Dak's confidence. Im just talking about Romo's back. 3 injuries to his back in 3 years - ruptured disk and 3 fractures. The next hit may be permanent damage. Can't play around with that. There's a reason why Romo opted for retirement. Romo shouldn't be on a football field anymore.

It's just too bad that Dak is all we had to replace him.

 

[Dodger12]

I'm going to post this reply that I posted on a Youtube to people questioning Dak and his ability. I have edited it so that it would be appropriate to post here. This is the truth of the situation for the Dallas Cowboys and it goes FAR beyond Dak struggling and actually explains WHY Dak is struggling.

"Wow, I'm seeing a bunch of people who don't understand football that are saying Dak needs to go when they can't see the problems with the entire team. Crappy WR core except for Beasley & Witten and defenses have focused on taking Beasley away which only leaves Witten who is now forced to help block thanks to bad O-line play. Dez can't create seperation against average Dbs much less the elite ones and T Williams has to rely on bump coverage just to get down the field which means NO deep ball threat and that doesn't even take into consideration the drops from both Dez and T. Williams, some of which became interceptions. Average O-line that has been exposed since Week 2 and that was WITH Elliot. Crappy Defensive scheme that hasn't won a Super Bowl since 2007 and relies on the team to have a lead and an always healthy physical linebacker, which is an oxymoron in the Tampa 2 system (see Bob Sanders & Sean Lee). Crappy offensive play calling that is centered around Old Man Romo and is completely predictable, which opposing teams have constantly said, instead of changing the offensive playbook to take advantage of Dak's abilities. Crappy Head Coach who can't make adjustments in the game. Crappy training staff that continues to get players injured, and people wonder why DeMarcus Ware left and went to the Broncos.

But sure, let's blame the 2nd year Qb who hasn't been given the weapons or strategy needed to win. I'm seeing people making judgements based off emotion instead of logic. Anyone with actual football knowledge and understanding of football would tell people the same thing I just said. It took Tom Brady 3-4 years to develop into the QB he is and he actually had a genius as a head coach/gm that was smart enough to give Brady a great defense to work with while Brady developed. Dak doesn't have a great defense and he DEFINATELY doesn't have a genius for a head coach. Dak WOULD have a great pair of co-gms if Jerry would get out of the way and let Stephen Jones and Will McClay do their jobs. Jerry needs to stick to business, that's what he's good at and he needs to stay in his lane. Want proof? Jerry said after the first day of the 2016 draft that he should have paid more and gotten Paxton Lynch. Ask the Broncos how Paxton Lynch has turned out."


Jerry Jones also wanted Johnny Manziel and we all know that would have been a FUBAR situation.

Let's be honest here, Romo would have been knocked out for the season during the Bronco's game and most likely paralyzed after the last 3 games.

That's a whole lot of excuses and gibberish defending a guy who barely breaks 30 yards passing near the end of the half.

 

[jwitten82]

Whatever other reason that individual is thinking other than football.

There is no other reason, Dak is playing horrible 0 tds and 5 int are kellen moore numbers, you just like making stuff up in your head. Everybody knows what youre refering to

 

[InDakWeTrust]

Interesting.

How many guys was Romo making better in the middle of his 2nd year?

That's my concern. Your putting square Dak still into Romo's circle offense. They only have added the read option. Give me Bruce Arians and hell, keep Rod on defense and I'll be happy. Arians can at least scheme and adjust.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I dont give a f about Dak's confidence. Im just talking about Romo's back. 3 injuries to his back in 3 years - ruptured disk and 3 fractures. The next hit may be permanent damage. Can't play around with that. There's a reason why Romo opted for retirement. Romo shouldn't be on a football field anymore.

It's just too bad that Dak is all we had to replace him.

Romo was healthy and ready to play.

If you have an elite very rare tool do you hang it up because you're afraid of it breaking? Or do you use the tool while you have it and hope it's up to the job? Knowing if it isn't you still have a potentially pretty nice tool in your toolbox?

 

[DIAF]

Romo was healthy and ready to play.

If you have an elite very rare tool do you hang it up because you're afraid of it breaking? Or do you use the tool while you have it and hope it's up to the job? Knowing if it isn't you still have a potentially pretty nice tool in your toolbox?

I can't believe we are having this discussion. Romo's back has been broken three times. THREE TIMES. Wanting to throw him back onto the field is incredibly selfish. It was time. I just wish Dak were better.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I can't believe we are having this discussion. Romo's back has been broken three times. THREE TIMES. Wanting to throw him back onto the field is incredibly selfish. It was time. I just wish Dak were better.

Romo was healthy and wanted to play last year. In fact in his only series he led a couldn't be easier td drive.

 

[DallasEast]

I can't believe we are having this discussion. Romo's back has been broken three times. THREE TIMES. Wanting to throw him back onto the field is incredibly selfish. It was time. I just wish Dak were better.

True. Romo was selfish. All players are selfish if they have the opportunity to play the game they love. Romo would have been re-inserted into the starting lineup if the decision had been his own but it was not.

 

[tcc0808]

we have to be fair here. Last year if Dallas didn't have Zeke, Dak would look exactly what your seeing now...not ready. Romo was able to watch for few years. Dak probably needs to sit for few years.

Agree, but that time has passed. Most everyone (coaches, fans, sponsors) bought into the hype last year. For better or worse he is the QB of the future. I think he will ultimately be fine as long as he doesn’t lose confidence. He will not win games single handily, he’s just not that QB.

 

[JDSmith]

What is the point of this thread exactly? Is it so Romo lovers can gloat?

No one thinks Dak is a better QB than Romo was.

But Romo's time was up - his last 3 big hits have put him out for an extended period of time, and the next hit may have been his last. So please stop with the "should have kept Romo" crap. Dude is physically unable to perform.

That's nonsense. Romo was healthy and only asked for a chance to compete for the job. Garrett told him he couldn't. It should be obvious to anyone with eyes that there is absolutely no way in hell Dak was going to beat out Romo in an actual competition - although there were a LOT of people on here who believed that last year. And if Romo got hurt, we had Dak. But the coaches pushed a healthy Romo out the door, and a lot of our fans were happy to see him go so we could make way for the new Tom Brady. There were probably 50 threads last year and early this year comparing the two. "Tom Brady in his second year" "Tom Brady after 17 games" blah blah blah.

So you might be right that nobody thinks Dak is a better QB than Romo was, but that's only since Zeke got suspended. This board was filled with people who believed exactly that at the end of last year and early this season. And if they didn't believe that Dak was better at that moment, they had his ascension to Tom Brady levels already planned out.

 

[JDSmith]

True. Romo was selfish. All players are selfish if they have the opportunity to play the game they love. Romo would have been re-inserted into the starting lineup if the decision had been his own but it was not.

I think he means it was selfish of the fans to want to see Romo go back out there and potentially risk permanent injury.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Romo made everybody around him better, like Larant Robinson and Miles Austin who never did jack without Romo.

Dak doesn’t elevate our scrubs, he instead plays down to their level and ends up sucking himself.

And Romo puts up more than 6 points against a 4 win team............just saying

Romo is no longer on the team.

 

[DallasEast]

The injury counterpoint has never been completely relevant in an discussion concerning the health of players in the sport of football. I think that is because some people do not have an inkling of understating the risk undertaken by anyone running onto a football field. Perfectly healthy young people have been severely injured or died during practices and actual games.

The simple fact that the rate of such injuries and fatalities is low does not diminish or dismiss the reality that they do occur. No player desires paralysis. No empathic fan wants players to die. However, any player (and especially any player who comprehends the risks involved) can decide for themselves if they should step on the field. It is their decision, which can only be overruled by those with the authority to do so.

It is... heartwarming hearing and reading compassion from fans concerned for the well-being of players. Yet, fan opinion is simply opinion and has zero bearing or relevance in a discussion concerning what a player decides to do if he is physically capable and medically cleared to play.

 

[DallasEast]

I think he means it was selfish of the fans to want to see Romo go back out there and potentially risk permanent injury.

Thanks. I addressed such sentiment in post #98.

 

[Gameover]

Romo made everybody around him better, like Larant Robinson and Miles Austin who never did jack without Romo.

Dak doesn’t elevate our scrubs, he instead plays down to their level and ends up sucking himself.

And Romo puts up more than 6 points against a 4 win team............just saying

Like Dak has made Butler better? I think an injury got Robinson on the field that year, because without it, Robinson would've been used sparingly even though he was the QB best option that year. Seem familiar

You would think he would get more snaps. But hey!

Miles Austin really didn't do jack w Romo after 2010. Big disappointment after his 2009 breakout season