DMN Blog: Ellis: Roy doesn't think defense fits him

[CanadianCowboysFan]

If true, I might have to get rid of my Williams jersey.

 

[Vintage]

Osi Umenyiora but your point is well taken.

Osi plays DE.

 

[LarryCanadian]

I've said (asked) it before and I'll say it again, can the current incarnation of the Cowboys get over the hump with suppossed "leaders" like both Ellis and Roy Williams in the fold?

Ellis has been a distraction and a Debbie Downer, BUT he does step up on the field despite his discomfort.

Williams on the other hand has regressed despite things being tailored to him (Ellis had to adjust and did). His attitude beneath the surface just seems to suck (yep, my opinion and it may be the media slants everything to the negative on him). Roy's body language on the field to me screams "I don't want to anymore". He's indecisive, he was unwilling to adjust his play with regards to both the horsecollar and consistently wrapping up. I see him playing around the ball as oppossed to attacking the play directly. Reading between the lines in his interviews, he's fed up with the criticism, and he makes excuses for himself, and/or avoids the spotlight/attention to his game.

I'm really worried, that the camp (and this includes ownership and coaching) that says "we have to make due with this guy as best we can, because he's not going anywhere", I really hope that attitude doesn't cost us in the long run. My opinion would be, if the scheme can't be tailored to protect Roy and make him more effective AND if his play doesn't improve on it's own also, be it through training, conditioning, film study, etc, then I think by half way point of season he needs to be bench/cut.

This is a team that is trying to move onwards and upwards. Become a playoff winner again. Roy seems to be heading in the opposite direction and yet he's looked to as a veteran leader and a pro-bowler.

I'm not sure Ellis is the right guy to be speaking about this either, and it concerns me that the 2 Debbie Downers are talking on the sideline about how this whole system doesn't work for them etc. That is cause for concern.

The part about Roy not being part of the team etc, is also a concern from a team chemistry standpoint and a leadership by example standpoint.

What is this guy being paid the big bucks for anyway. I think Jones and coaches have so much higher expectations for Roy W, than he has for himself, and this is a compliment to Roy and shouldn't be a pain in the ***.

If Pacman becomes a team member and is ready and our new CB's develop quickly then it might be time to get Roy off the field for larger chunks of the game, and diminish his role until replaced. Harsh reality, but perhaps a needed step in the Cowboys returning to glory!

LarryCanadian

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Horrible situation for the Cowboys. I don't know if you can just bench Roy completely. if you do, who steps in? Not only that, but there's the issue of a guy with that kind of contract riding the bench. We've just got to live with Roy for a while longer. :bang2:

How about this, Anthony Henry knows this defense, he played in it all last year, he's been playing corner for roughyl 10 years, he doesn't need the reps at corner to be in great shape, Hamlin knows how to play F.S. in the defense, so why not put Henry at F.S. and Hamlin at S.S. all pre-season, and if they look comfortable, and if Jenkins or Pacman look good enough to handle playing corner, make the move now!

This accomplishes a few things, it gives us a chance to see Hamlin play S.S. and if he can make the switch to S.S. if need be, and it gives us a chance to see if it's worth keeping Henry at F.S. after this year, cause he won't be on this team after this year as a corner due to his age and salay cap and the fact we got 3 good corners to take his place who are younger and cheaper.

Plus it gives Jenkins/Pacman/Scandrick more reps at C.B., and we could also see how well Henry does at F.S. but we could see how Watkins has improved and see if he could take over the starting spot!

It's not like it's gonna screw things up, I mean, we can just switch Henry back to corner in a pinch and Hamlin could move back to F.S. in a heartbeat without any rust at all!
It's worth a shot at least early on in pre-season and traning camp!

Roy's living off his name and raft status, enough is enough!

 

[CrazyCowboy]

someone needs to have a conversation with Roy

 

[Rampage]

coming up on sportscenter John Clayton discusses the cowboys chemistry issues. wonder if they will talk about our safety with no heart.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Osi plays DE.

Your right. See, it was a good point.

 

[Woods]

I've said (asked) it before and I'll say it again, can the current incarnation of the Cowboys get over the hump with suppossed "leaders" like both Ellis and Roy Williams in the fold?

Ellis has been a distraction and a Debbie Downer, BUT he does step up on the field despite his discomfort.

Williams on the other hand has regressed despite things being tailored to him (Ellis had to adjust and did). His attitude beneath the surface just seems to suck (yep, my opinion and it may be the media slants everything to the negative on him). Roy's body language on the field to me screams "I don't want to anymore". He's indecisive, he was unwilling to adjust his play with regards to both the horsecollar and consistently wrapping up. I see him playing around the ball as oppossed to attacking the play directly. Reading between the lines in his interviews, he's fed up with the criticism, and he makes excuses for himself, and/or avoids the spotlight/attention to his game.

I'm really worried, that the camp (and this includes ownership and coaching) that says "we have to make due with this guy as best we can, because he's not going anywhere", I really hope that attitude doesn't cost us in the long run. My opinion would be, if the scheme can't be tailored to protect Roy and make him more effective AND if his play doesn't improve on it's own also, be it through training, conditioning, film study, etc, then I think by half way point of season he needs to be bench/cut.

This is a team that is trying to move onwards and upwards. Become a playoff winner again. Roy seems to be heading in the opposite direction and yet he's looked to as a veteran leader and a pro-bowler.

I'm not sure Ellis is the right guy to be speaking about this either, and it concerns me that the 2 Debbie Downers are talking on the sideline about how this whole system doesn't work for them etc. That is cause for concern.

The part about Roy not being part of the team etc, is also a concern from a team chemistry standpoint and a leadership by example standpoint.

What is this guy being paid the big bucks for anyway. I think Jones and coaches have so much higher expectations for Roy W, than he has for himself, and this is a compliment to Roy and shouldn't be a pain in the ***.

If Pacman becomes a team member and is ready and our new CB's develop quickly then it might be time to get Roy off the field for larger chunks of the game, and diminish his role until replaced. Harsh reality, but perhaps a needed step in the Cowboys returning to glory!

LarryCanadian

You raise some very good points, but I think Ellis seems more comfortable this year at OLB at least. I don't remember him complaining since this off-season about his role on the team. (Or maybe he has been but I'm so used to it I just mentally turned it off.)

 

[Woods]

someone needs to have a conversation with Roy

preferably not Ellis.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I've said (asked) it before and I'll say it again, can the current incarnation of the Cowboys get over the hump with suppossed "leaders" like both Ellis and Roy Williams in the fold?

Ellis has been a distraction and a Debbie Downer, BUT he does step up on the field despite his discomfort.

Williams on the other hand has regressed despite things being tailored to him (Ellis had to adjust and did). His attitude beneath the surface just seems to suck (yep, my opinion and it may be the media slants everything to the negative on him). Roy's body language on the field to me screams "I don't want to anymore". He's indecisive, he was unwilling to adjust his play with regards to both the horsecollar and consistently wrapping up. I see him playing around the ball as oppossed to attacking the play directly. Reading between the lines in his interviews, he's fed up with the criticism, and he makes excuses for himself, and/or avoids the spotlight/attention to his game.

I'm really worried, that the camp (and this includes ownership and coaching) that says "we have to make due with this guy as best we can, because he's not going anywhere", I really hope that attitude doesn't cost us in the long run. My opinion would be, if the scheme can't be tailored to protect Roy and make him more effective AND if his play doesn't improve on it's own also, be it through training, conditioning, film study, etc, then I think by half way point of season he needs to be bench/cut.

This is a team that is trying to move onwards and upwards. Become a playoff winner again. Roy seems to be heading in the opposite direction and yet he's looked to as a veteran leader and a pro-bowler.

I'm not sure Ellis is the right guy to be speaking about this either, and it concerns me that the 2 Debbie Downers are talking on the sideline about how this whole system doesn't work for them etc. That is cause for concern.

The part about Roy not being part of the team etc, is also a concern from a team chemistry standpoint and a leadership by example standpoint.

What is this guy being paid the big bucks for anyway. I think Jones and coaches have so much higher expectations for Roy W, than he has for himself, and this is a compliment to Roy and shouldn't be a pain in the ***.

If Pacman becomes a team member and is ready and our new CB's develop quickly then it might be time to get Roy off the field for larger chunks of the game, and diminish his role until replaced. Harsh reality, but perhaps a needed step in the Cowboys returning to glory!

LarryCanadian

Ellis is not the team leader because he's been appointed as such by the media. He's a team leader because the team views him as such. He is exactly the right person to be speaking up if he is the leader of the defense. Who better then the guy the team looks to? Should he be speaking? That's a different question all together. However, if anybody is going to speak out, it should be Ellis IMO. It should be the guy who leads the defense.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

You raise some very good points, but I think Ellis seems more comfortable this year at OLB at least. I don't remember him complaining since this off-season about his role on the team. (Or maybe he has been but I'm so used to it I just mentally turned it off.)

Did you just say he hsn't complained since "THIS" off season?
That's THIS off season, so he complained AGAIN once the season ended about his role for the 3rd sraight year *****iun about his money, or his playing or whatever, he's a complaining little girl!
We need to keep him for this year cause of the cap and cause if Ware or Spencer gets hurt we need him, but after this year, Spencer takes over full time and he's outta here along with Roy, Anthony Henry, Marc Columbo!
Gets us YOUNGER and CHEAPER all at once!

 

[bbgun]

Ellis can still play (see sig), so we let the whining slide. Our starting SS is experiencing a crisis in confidence ("Don't throw the ball in my direction") and doesn't buy into the system (then again, neither did Ellis). Since when did the 3-4 have anything to do with the secondary? Roy's duties should not have changed significantly from Bill to Wade.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

RWilly is a complete letdown. All he could do is hit & now he cant even do that. His coverage skills have always been garbage, now everybody knows it and everybody goes after him every play. He has no confidence, its apparent, and now he wants to cry. His "best days" are behind him and Jerruh has to own up he made a mistake in giving this dude big money and bite the bullet and cut him and start looking for someone that can do the job that he obiviously cant.

 

[yennor24]

I don't see a problem with what Gregg said....How about ask him what he wants to do and let him do some of it...It's not like he has never shown ability, we've all seen him play well...If we have RW playing like the yr 2 RW doesnt that make us a better team???? Isn't that the point??

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Since when did the 3-4 have anything to do with the secondary? Roy's duties should not have changed significantly from Bill to Wade.

It actually should be a lot better for him, as he's hardly ever in deep coverage anymore.

He probably hates that he had to learn new terminology after years in the old system. Boy, it takes a lot of work to learn a new playbook, doesn't it Roy?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Both of these guys need to be gone by the end of the season.

Yeah, both are crybabies.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

In my best Paul Harvey voice..............Page two.

Who the hell is paul harkey . . . . oh, that OLD guy from the past century.

 

[Cowboysfan22]

Roy is a total bust and he is not putting any effort in at all I think we should get a really good ss net year in the draft and then get rid of Roy.

 

[theogt]

Roy Williams caused global warming.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

92 tackles 2 INT's 15 games played taken out in passing situations.

I don't think his play is detirating it is the lack of the big hit and the bone jarring tackles that people miss.

Playing one on one with a TE split out is hard to do don't believe ask champ while Clark was smoking him.

There's two major difference from the previous roy and this roy. The big hits aren't there anymore and him giving up the big pass plays aren't there anymore. I do not believe he is at fault when our LB's don't get big deep enough in coverage(James).

I like that someone pointed out the Hamlin isn't as good of a tacklers as RW is seeing how the idea of moving Hamlin 2 SS is something people continue to suggest. You want to upgrade not downgrade.

Ahhh why did i bring RW stats in to this argument that don't matter for DB's i forgot.