DMN Blog: Ellis: Roy doesn't think defense fits him

[Vintage]

In any case, who's RW's competition at the SS spot anyway?

I think our depth is all at the FS position.

Not sure if we even have a viable alternative on the team right now.

Well, you could move Hamlin to SS and start Watkins/Brown at FS.


Not saying I want that to happen, but it is a possibility. Hopefully Brown or Watkins steps it up this year. To date, Watkins has sucked and Brown is a giant unknown, making a position change.

 

[Woods]

If this is accurate, I'm really starting to believe that (like Fasano), perhaps Roy is laking in the mental capacity department for this game.

For a guy with that much natural talent (we saw it his first two years here, fellas) not to be able to flourish with all of the talent around him is certainly a mystery.

Perhaps Woody played a much more important role in making sure Roy understood his assignments on the field.

One thing seems apparent: this kid needs a serious attitude adjustment.

How does a SS not fit into a 3-4? I could see if he were a LB or D-Lineman, but a Safety?

:insane:

One issue that RW may have in Wade's defense is that he's no longer a 3 down player (i.e., out on passing downs). Maybe he feels slighted?

Of course, there's a reason Wade took RW out in many obvious passing downs . . . .

 

[Woods]

Well, you could move Hamlin to SS and start Watkins/Brown at FS.


Not saying I want that to happen, but it is a possibility. Hopefully Brown or Watkins steps it up this year. To date, Watkins has sucked and Brown is a giant unknown, making a position change.

Yhea, I suggested that in an earlier post in this thread, but it's definitely not ideal. But maybe that is what ends up happening if RW doesn't get it together this season.

Fortunately we franchised Hamlin for this season!

 

[triplets92]

RW can be a great SS for another team I think the scheme is the problem. we're asking him to do all of this crazy stuff like cover TE's and play decent zone and once in a while line up aginst a WR Oh and to stop the run when needed. he should go to a team who doesn't want any of those things...i think he would be much more comfortable there

 

[InmanRoshi]

If this is accurate, I'm really starting to believe that (like Fasano), perhaps Roy is laking in the mental capacity department for this game.

Playing football aint rocket science ... especially a safety.

Roy just doesn't have any passion for the game anymore.

 

[MCowboys]

WHy not -spencer is waiting and has more potential then Ellis and a smaller mouth

Just wondering, who other than Ware and Merriman has had more sacks in a season playing linebacker than Ellis had last year?

 

[BulletBob]

One issue that RW may have in Wade's defense is that he's no longer a 3 down player (i.e., out on passing downs). Maybe he feels slighted?

Of course, there's a reason Wade took RW out in many obvious passing downs . . . .

Good point, Woods.

 

[dallasfaniac]

The argument has been made that Roy couldn't play linebacker every down because of his size, yet we brought in Zach Thomas who is an inch shorter and a pound or two lighter. If Roy actually is concerned about playing the strong safety position (Ellis may have heard wrong, assumed, etc.) then maybe he needs to see time at linebacker after all.

 

[Spontae]

Objection hearsay.

Sustained!

 

[TEK2000]

The argument has been made that Roy couldn't play linebacker every down because of his size, yet we brought in Zach Thomas who is an inch shorter and a pound or two lighter. If Roy actually is concerned about playing the strong safety position (Ellis may have heard wrong, assumed, etc.) then maybe he needs to see time at linebacker after all.

Roy can't play LBer because he doesn't shed blockers. He'd get mauled by OLinemen because he doesn't use his hands to get separation.Its not a size issue... its an issue with the way he plays the game.

 

[Woods]

Playing football aint rocket science ... especially a safety.

Roy just doesn't have any passion for the game anymore.

I think JJT sort of indicated this as well in one of his columns - though he didn't say it so bluntly.

 

[vlad]

You know, maybe this is Ellis's way of pointing out that Roy is a tool. You have to think that the rest of the D is tired of him always pointing the finger after he gets burned, always avoiding the reporters after a loss, etc...we saw James blow up at him last year, and I'm sure others have as well.

I was a big Roy fan, but come on, use your eyes and you can see doesn't add anything positive to the team anymore, been that way for a few years.

Attitude is everything in any type of success, and that attitude he has will never lead to the success we want. Its a loser's mentality imho. Nice guy, but he's a lost cause here, he's already resigned to it in his own mind.

I do miss the old Roy, maybe a miracle will come. He did become religious after all...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Sad to say, but I look forward to the day RW plays his last down in a Cowboy uniform and we move on from him.

 

[Hostile]

Objection hearsay.

Why is Greg Ellis always opening his big yap?

Sustained.

 

[joseephuss]

I wonder how many times Roy was used to blitz the QB last year and how that compares to the year before or in any season he played in the 4-3. Was it more, less or the same? In 2003 he seemed to be blitzing quite a bit, but that may only be perception and not reality.

I know people think Roy is not good in run support and takes bad angles, but so does Hamlin. Hamlin probably takes worse angles. I remember several long runs where Hamlin was badly out of place and then collided into teammates this past season.

 

[Woods]

Sad to say, but I look forward to the day RW plays his last down in a Cowboy uniform and we move on from him.

I can't disagree with you (unfortunately), but he's really putting us in a bind for this season.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Roy can't play LBer because he doesn't shed blockers. He'd get mauled by OLinemen because he doesn't use his hands to get separation.Its not a size issue... its an issue with the way he plays the game.

So teaching to shed blockers can't be taught? Maybe he can't because he's used to playing the SS position.

 

[btcutter]

Ellis: Roy doesn't think defense fits him
3:26 PM Thu, May 08, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Greg Ellis made some pretty interesting statements about Roy Williams during an appearance on Sirius NFL Radio this afternoon. Ellis said that Williams doesn't feel like he fits in Wade Phillips' scheme and has been isolating himself from teammates.

Ellis said Williams first expressed concerns about the Phillips 3-4 during training camp in San Antonio.

"He said, 'Greg, this defense does not fit me. I don't fit in well with this defense at all,'" Ellis said. "So when he told me that, I was like, 'Well, man, it's still new. Get used to it and it'll probably be fine for you.'" And obviously I think it came to be true. Just like he said, he doesn't fit what's going on here in Dallas right now.

"Now maybe this year, if they decide to keep him for this season, Wade and them will kind of adjust some things to fit him better."

Um, Greg, Wade and them did adjust some things to fit Williams better last season. He put him closer to the line of scrimmage in obvious passing situations so he wouldn't be toasted for big play after big play, like he was in Bill Parcells' scheme. Williams recently said on Michael Irvin's radio show that he needs more time to get comfortable with Phillips' scheme

Ellis went on to say that he was bothered by the way Williams has isolated himself from his teammates. He said Williams is still working out at Valley Ranch, but he's leaving the facility by 7:30 a.m., so he's not spending any time with his teammates.

Ellis said he thinks Williams wants to stay in Dallas, but it's just a bad football fit.

Roy for Ocho Cinco.....be done!

 

[TEK2000]

So teaching to shed blockers can't be taught? Maybe he can't because he's used to playing the SS position.

Based on Roy still using the horsecollar as an "instinctive" method... I'd say no, that's not going to happen in one offseason.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Just wondering, who other than Ware and Merriman has had more sacks in a season playing linebacker than Ellis had last year?

Osi Umenyiora but your point is well taken.