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Five Downs With Football Outsiders: Is Roy Williams really that bad in coverage?

10:44 AM Thu, Aug 21, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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I'm pleased to announce a new feature on this here blog: Five Downs With Football Outsiders. Bill Barnwell, a contributing editor at footballoutsiders.com and one of the minds behind the must-read Pro Football Prospectus, has agreed to answer five Cowboys questions each week of the season using the FO data and methodologies. Here's the preseason edition:

1. Roy Williams' coverage ability (or lack thereof) is always a hot topic in Dallas. What do your numbers indicate about Williams' performance in coverage over the last few years?

Our numbers, in this case, back up what the naked eye sees; Roy Williams has a target on his back, and it's there for a reason. Williams was targeted with 59 passes last year, the second-most of any safety in the league. Those passes "succeeded" (our measure for tracking whether the pass did enough to contribute towards earning a first down) 63% of the time; therefore, Williams had a 37% success rate, which was 72nd amongst all safeties. Remember that there's only 64 starting safeties in the league and, well, it wasn't a pretty year for Roy.

2. Adam "Pacman" Jones arrived here with a lot of talk about his Pro Bowl potential. How close was he to being an elite cornerback for the Titans?

He wasn't close. He already was one. Jones often lined up in man coverage, and absolutely shut down opposing wideouts in 2006. His success rate was 63% -- that was second-best amongst all corners, and the 5.4 yards he gave up per pass were the best in the league. It's impossible to say what he'll be this year because of the year off, his obviously bizarre mental state, and the time it may take to adjust to a new system, but when his mind is right, Adam Jones is on the shortlist of best cornerbacks in football.

3. Can Tony Romo put up the same kind of numbers he did while rewriting the franchise passing record book last season?

He's certainly capable of doing so. We were expecting some regression from Romo and the Cowboys offense in 2007 because of the third-down principle that we've discovered exists in the NFL. Without getting too deep into the gory details, what we've found is that teams whose third down performance on offense or defense exceeds their performance on first and second down tend to see that third down performance decline in subsequent years. That was true of the Cowboys in 2006, but instead of seeing their third down performance decline, instead, the Cowboys' offense improved on first and second down.

The biggest concern for Tony Romo and for the Cowboys as a whole is injury. The team has been the healthiest in football by far over the past five years, and it goes a huge way in helping to explain the team's success. If you remember the second Eagles game last year, Romo and (I believe) Andre Gurode got hurt, and although Romo stayed in the game, he really, really struggled with his mechanics and getting the ball out on time. Romo's a very talented player, but he has a risky, daredevil style and honestly, both he and the Cowboys' offense are overdue for a year full of injuries.

4. Felix Jones averaged 7.7 yards per carry, better than any major college back other than Army's Glenn Davis in the '40s. According to your research, is there a strong correlation between college yards per carry and NFL success?

Not particularly. If we look at the ten best yards per attempt for players that we've seen at the college level, it's a mix of stars (Larry Johnson, LaDainian Tomlinson, Ahman Green) and relative disappointments (Mike Rozier, J.J. Arrington, Rashaan Salaam, Damien Anderson).

The item we've seen that best correlates to NFL success is a metric we've come up with called Speed Score, which weighs a player's performance in the 40-yard-dash relative to his weight. No one doubts that Felix Jones has fantastic speed, but it was very surprising that he ran only a 4.47 at the Combine. For a guy who weighs 207 pounds, that's a 103.7 Speed Score -- the average Speed Score for first-round picks is 112. Combining that with concerns about the style of offense that Arkansas ran and its application to pro performance, and I have reservations about Jones' ability to succeed at the pro level.

5. Judging by Football Outsiders data, who is the most underrated Cowboy? Overrated?

That's a tough one. Roy Williams would be the one who's overrated. For most underrated...I'll go with Marc Colombo. He did arguably the best job of any tackle in handling Michael Strahan last year -- particularly for the first three quarters of the playoff game, while the Cowboys were aces at running to the right last year. The Cowboys were second in the league at running behind right tackle, and first in the league at running to the outside besides it.
 

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Resign Marc Colombo!!, those are some interesting numbers, it reminds me of how much I hated math
 

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WoodysGirl;2203868 said:
Five Downs With Football Outsiders: Is Roy Williams really that bad in coverage?

10:44 AM Thu, Aug 21, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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4. Felix Jones averaged 7.7 yards per carry, better than any major college back other than Army's Glenn Davis in the '40s. According to your research, is there a strong correlation between college yards per carry and NFL success?

Not particularly. If we look at the ten best yards per attempt for players that we've seen at the college level, it's a mix of stars (Larry Johnson, LaDainian Tomlinson, Ahman Green) and relative disappointments (Mike Rozier, J.J. Arrington, Rashaan Salaam, Damien Anderson).

The item we've seen that best correlates to NFL success is a metric we've come up with called Speed Score, which weighs a player's performance in the 40-yard-dash relative to his weight. No one doubts that Felix Jones has fantastic speed, but it was very surprising that he ran only a 4.47 at the Combine. For a guy who weighs 207 pounds, that's a 103.7 Speed Score -- the average Speed Score for first-round picks is 112. Combining that with concerns about the style of offense that Arkansas ran and its application to pro performance, and I have reservations about Jones' ability to succeed at the pro level.

5. Judging by Football Outsiders data, who is the most underrated Cowboy? Overrated?

That's a tough one. Roy Williams would be the one who's overrated. For most underrated...I'll go with Marc Colombo. He did arguably the best job of any tackle in handling Michael Strahan last year -- particularly for the first three quarters of the playoff game, while the Cowboys were aces at running to the right last year. The Cowboys were second in the league at running behind right tackle, and first in the league at running to the outside besides it.
:rolleyes:
 

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stealth;2203873 said:
cute how he skewed the roy stat to fit his point

I like Roy but I think even Roy knew he did not have a great season. He comes in this year more dedicated and a few pounds lighter heck even a new number. I think Roy is out to turn things around in his career.
 

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I think Columbo is underrated as well. I hope we find a way to keep him.
 

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so its his scientific analysis that we are overdue for injuries on offense.

and I question that we have been one of the healthiest teams. We have had plenty of injuries and we have them again this year.

I also would like to know when these guys at football outsiders say "watching the film" do they mean using their tivo and rewatching the games, or are they actually getting game film and breaking it down like a coach. If they are not getting game film then that makes them bloggers and umm bloggers as a whole do not have the knowledge to break down game film, especially from the tv presentation.
 

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InmanRoshi;2203887 said:
How did he skew it?


roy's stats should be compared to guys with comparable number of snaps not across the whole league's safeties, regardless of snaps taken.

I know what roy is, but there isn't a need to inflate numbers.
 

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He didn't say we didn't have injuries, he's just stating that we've had far fewer than other teams.

It's certainly plausible that we're long overdue for a injury plagued season, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that the 5 years stretch of relatively injury free seasons started at the same time Parcells and Joe Jurasek completely rehauled our offseason training regiments. So I can't say it's completely chance and good luck that we've stayed this healthy.
 

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stealth;2203898 said:
roy's stats should be compared to guys with comparable number of snaps not across the whole league's safeties, regardless of snaps taken.

I know what roy is, but there isn't a need to inflate numbers.

He was giving a rate of efficiency percentage, not an accumulative total ... so number of snaps isn't really a factor.
 

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Myth! Myth! :D

I find it hilarious that so many people here will rip on a statistical analysis if it doesn't fit with what they want to hear, yet will run to the stats if they agree with their opinion.
 

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InmanRoshi;2203904 said:
It's certainly plausible that we're long overdue for a injury plagued season, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that the 5 years stretch of relatively injury free seasons started at the same time Parcells and Joe Jurasek completely rehauled our offseason training regiments. So I can't say it's completely chance and good luck that we've stayed this healthy.

I agree that there's something to that.

Also, Parcells tended to favor players who were durable.
 

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InmanRoshi;2203908 said:
He was giving a rate of efficiency percentage, not an accumulative total ... so number of snaps isn't really a factor.

In which case, Clinton Portis should be the starting QB in Washington since he has a perfect QB rating. :)
 

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InmanRoshi;2203908 said:
He was giving a rate of efficiency percentage, not an accumulative total ... so number of snaps isn't really a factor.

I think so, if a safety played one snap and was thrown at and broke it up then he is ahead of roy.
 

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dbair1967;2203913 said:
I agree, that whole explanation looked like utter garbage to me

David

At that point he lost all credibility with me. It sounded like a guy who has never saw the cat play.
 

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stealth;2203921 said:
I think so, if a safety played one snap and was thrown at and broke it up then he is ahead of roy.

I think given that Roy started every game (except the ones that he was suspended for) and that he wasn't benched on nickel until midway through the season, he has sufficient sample size to suggest he sucked in coverage.
 

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InmanRoshi;2203946 said:
I think given that Roy started every game (except the ones that he was suspended for) and that he wasn't benched on nickel until midway through the season, he has sufficient sample size to suggest he sucked in coverage.


not saying he doesn't but I found his manner of justifying it pretty jaded.
 
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