DMN Blog: Further evidence that Jason Williams is a physical freak

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Noryb;2769815 said:
Well I must admit that we were timed by hand not electronically.

To be honest, that's why I said "claimed", because no one really knows when you're in high school. When you're talking about tenths of a second, human error can be huge.
 

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Temo;2769893 said:
To be honest, that's why I said "claimed", because no one really knows when you're in high school. When you're talking about tenths of a second, human error can be huge.

No arguments here but for the record my initial statement was not meant to boast about how fast me or my buddies ran in High School. I'm in my mid 30's now, I could care less. I was trying to point out the fact that a 290+lb man jumping out of a pool and a 6'5" 235lb man running a sub 4.4 40 is athletically freakish.
 

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TheHustler;2769327 said:
Most people can't jump 36" period, much less doing it out of a pool.


Jumping 36" out of a pool isn't the same as a 36" vertical leap since you can bring your knees to your chest. True the water makes it harder, but it's not a great athletic feat. I bet all the speed guys in the NFL can do it.
 

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I was timed at 4.4something in high school and there was only one other guy on the football team that could run faster than me. Several of the players were timed at or below 4.5.

However, when I was in college one of the Southern Miss coaches was timing us one day and the college stopwatches all said I was considerably slower than 4.4. I ran a 4.6 that day. I know I was running at *least* as fast as I was when I ran the 4.4 in highschool. One guy who was timed at about 4.5 in highschool was timed that day at 4.7... he hadn't lost any speed though.

My point is: The timings that we get in highschool are, in a lot of cases, way faster than reality. It wasn't just my highschool either. A lot of the guys I spoke to had similar differences in their timing. Plus, over the years I've heard more than just a few guys say the same thing.

Heck, I've even read an article once by a guy in track and field saying that very few people period run below an electronically timed 4.4 and he had several examples of both college and pro athletes who's times were BS.

Anyway... that's my two cents worth.
 

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AsthmaField;2769939 said:
I was timed at 4.4something in high school and there was only one other guy on the football team that could run faster than me. Several of the players were timed at or below 4.5.

However, when I was in college one of the Southern Miss coaches was timing us one day and the college stopwatches all said I was considerably slower than 4.4. I ran a 4.6 that day. I know I was running at *least* as fast as I was when I ran the 4.4 in highschool. One guy who was timed at about 4.5 in highschool was timed that day at 4.7... he hadn't lost any speed though.

My point is: The timings that we get in highschool are, in a lot of cases, way faster than reality. It wasn't just my highschool either. A lot of the guys I spoke to had similar differences in their timing. Plus, over the years I've heard more than just a few guys say the same thing.

Heck, I've even read an article once by a guy in track and field saying that very few people period run below an electronically timed 4.4 and he had several examples of both college and pro athletes who's times were BS.

Anyway... that's my two cents worth.

This. Same thing happened to me, and I'm sure we aren't the only ones.

If I had gone to the combine after running my low 4.5 in high school, I would have left very disappointed.
 

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tomson75;2769945 said:
This. Same thing happened to me, and I'm sure we aren't the only ones.

If I had gone to the combine after running my low 4.5 in high school, I would have left very disappointed.


Yup. I think it's pretty common.

I bet I could still outrun you though. :D
 

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Alexander;2769251 said:
I don't give a damn if he's a physical freak or not. All that matters is if he can play football.

No doubt, the history of the league is filled with stud athletes who couldnt play a lick.
 

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tomson75;2769820 said:
That's ridiculous.

I played seven varsity sports, and was pretty fast in high school in comparison to most of my peers. I remember being timed by stopwatch my junior year at a 4.5....and I had just come off of an achilles tear the year before. Two years later, as a freshman in college I was timed again. I had increased my speed noticeably in the two years since, and I was timed at a 4.7 using three watches. The junior year time was obviously bull****. In my experience athletically, I'd say about .5% of athletes can run a legit 4.4. It takes a very special athlete to run that fast. Hell, only about 5% of college football players can do it.

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Future;2769184 said:
Jumping out of a pool really isn't that impressive to me. I know a couple of average Joes who can do it.

average Joe
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Alexander;2769251 said:
I don't give a damn if he's a physical freak or not. All that matters is if he can play football.

Exactly...does he looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane?
Two words,Mike Mamula.
 

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interestedobserver;2770093 said:
I wonder what Hussein Bolt could do in a 40 time.

Well, in the Olympics, Bolt's splits in the first 30m were...

10m, 1.85 sec
20m, 1.02 sec
30m, 0.91 sec

Bolt covered 30 meters in 3.78 seconds. 30 meters is equal to 32.8 yards.

So, Bolt has another 7.2 yards to cover before we can figure out an estimated time. Bolt's next split was...

40m, 0.87 sec

As a rough estimate, Bolt covered those 10m at the rate of 1m every 0.087 seconds. 7.2 yards is equal to 6.584 meters, so we multiply the distance in meters by Bolt's velocity and we get .5728 seconds.

Add .5728 to 3.78 and you get...

Usain Bolts 40 time - 4.35 seconds.

Edit: The 4.35 time is off of a gun, if Bolt were able to start running when he chose then obviously his time would be lower. Bolt's reaction time in the Olympic 100m race was 0.165 seconds. So, if we subtract that from 4.35 we get Bolt's "combine" 40 time of...

4.185 seconds

Bolt's speed really kicks in at 50m and his flying 40 yard time when he's running at top speed is right around 3 seconds flat, 3.01 if you're rounding.
 

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But the biggest difference is that Bolt and all track sprinters have to react to the clock starting (the gun), not the other way around. Sprinters don't get to start when they feel like it and then have the clock start like these players running 40s do. And most of those combine 40 starts are rolling starts anyway.

But to what tomson said, I read once years ago where Gil Brandt said he timed thousands of players in his day and only a few could run a 4.4. Of course, Tony D was one of the very rare ones.
 

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I am in agreement with the sentiment that who cares if he is a physical freak as long as he can play.

But lets say he can play, I am sure the outstanding physical attributes will help.

I wonder what Emmitt's career would have been like if he had Chris Johnson type speed. He might have pulled off becoming the all time yardage leader. ;)
 

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Chocolate Lab;2770186 said:
But the biggest difference is that Bolt and all track sprinters have to react to the clock starting (the gun), not the other way around. Sprinters don't get to start when they feel like it and then have the clock start like these players running 40s do. And most of those combine 40 starts are rolling starts anyway.

But to what tomson said, I read once years ago where Gil Brandt said he timed thousands of players in his day and only a few could run a 4.4. Of course, Tony D was one of the very rare ones.

That's a good point, I forgot about that. I'll edit my Usian Bolt 40 time to take into account his reaction time in the record breaking race.
 

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Honestly, the track world mostly laughs at NFL combine times as vastly inaccurate (vastly, of course, is a matter of relativity, since we're talking about tenths and hundreths of a second)
 

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put Bolt in some pads and tell him to run straight. Championship.
 

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masomenos85;2770226 said:
That's a good point, I forgot about that. I'll edit my Usian Bolt 40 time to take into account his reaction time in the record breaking race.

He was also showboating and practically jogging at the end.

I read a debate about this on another forum, and I've reasoned the number to 4.1 or 4.2 But if he ran on a track like Ohio State's he'd probably be a 3.8.
 
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