DMN Blog: Garrett: Cowboys passed because NY shut down run

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I cant fault the play-calling at all, unlike the GB game. We passed the ball at will and for the most part pass protection was not a problem.
 

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DaBoys4Life;3129130 said:
:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

I don't see how we can throw the ball 55 times and people are okay with the game play. Who da **** lines up in shotgun on the 4 yard line. Garret has zero confidence in the run game. He's quick to abandon the run.

Hey genius, perhaps the fact that they shut it down all day had something to do with it.
 

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Cochese;3129164 said:
I am pretty sure that Ginge fell right into the Giants hands. Its getting to be well known against us, stop the run, and wait for the inevitable self destruction.
Actually, you just drop your coverage deep... The CBs can pretty much cheat, pressing the WRs, because they know they have to run deep.. And when they see run...Witten was getting his, because the Giants were playing cover-2 all day, allowing the middle to be exposed...
 

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The issue isn't about running a certain amount of time... The reality is Garrett doesn't know how to run effectively, thus the shot-gun draw comment. Part of running is to force the coverage closer to the line, and Garrett's play calling doesn't force anybody up...
 

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Doomsday101;3129109 said:
I agree. Dallas pounding the ball at a run blitz is only going to result in 3 and out. If a team is willing to sacrifice plays in the secondary in order to stop the run then only a fool would bang their heads against that wall. Dallas was able to move the ball and put up points we also had 52% success rate on 3rd down conversions.


But....but....we couldn't run the ball. Fire the OL. Fire Houck. Fire Garrett for running it anyway. (sarcasm off)

BTW, since many have no clue, we had to run enough to avoid greater than third and six or seven. Our third down conversion rate hinges about there and is consistently good when less and consistently bad when over that. On that day the pass was there and we were converting better than more than 3-7.
 

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I'm starting to think that if Garrett is ever named as head coach some of these folks will have to be on suicide watches.

Craig
 

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I knew the Giants would sell out against the run. I called it in a thread the day before the game (how come those never get bumped?).

But this weekend, i sure do hope Garrett pulls out all this happy shotgun passing plays because we will need to score alot of points. At least 30.
 

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The 1 thing that drives me crazy about Garretts run calls is when Felix is in the game.

9 times out of 10 he is going to call a run play that is designed to get to the outside. That drives me crazy to no end.
 

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khiladi;3129198 said:
The issue isn't about running a certain amount of time... The reality is Garrett doesn't know how to run effectively, thus the shot-gun draw comment. Part of running is to force the coverage closer to the line, and Garrett's play calling doesn't force anybody up...

Dallas ran the ball from under center as well and we still were not able to break through the run blitz. You do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. Giants were drawn up at the line though out the game thus we had 397 yards passing and put up 24 points through the air. What did Dallas in had nothing to do with the play of the offense. The offense did not allow Hick to run for a TD on a punt, the offense did not let Jacobs run 75 yards for a TD. Biggest mistake by offense was Barber fumble which came off short swing pass to the outside which you claimed in another post Dallas does not do because evidently Garrett only knows 1 pass route the deep ball. You don't spend much time thinking do you?
 

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The pass was working, the run was not, .. if anything we should have passed more.

The Pizz-ants probably remember what happened the last time they played us. If not for turnovers they lose.

[The Cowboys dominated on the ground, racking up 251 rushing yards, but were doomed by four turnovers, three interceptions and one fumble, which led to 24 Giants' points.]

Offense had nothing to do with why we lost.

Giving up one big run on defense and the PR is why we lost.
 

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Doomsday101;3129109 said:
I agree. Dallas pounding the ball at a run blitz is only going to result in 3 and out. If a team is willing to sacrifice plays in the secondary in order to stop the run then only a fool would bang their heads against that wall. Dallas was able to move the ball and put up points we also had 52% success rate on 3rd down conversions.


17 points in the first 58 minutes of the game isnt going to win you a damn thing.

They moved the ball, I sincerely disagree with 'putting up points'.
 

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WV Cowboy;3129216 said:
The pass was working, the run was not, .. if anything we should have passed more.

Offense had nothing to do with why we lost.


Giving up one big run on defense and the PR is why we lost.
If the Giants are defending run, then you run play-action, which was almost non-existent in the game. Coupled by the fact that we are in shot-gun formation all the time, we severely limit the effectiveness of forcing DBs to play up... We try and go for the big strike all the time, and the Giants were just sitting back deep all day. We got a lot of yardage for a reason, part of it the Giants giving it up on purpose...
 

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Cochese;3129220 said:
17 points in the first 58 minutes of the game isnt going to win you a damn thing.


They moved the ball, I sincerely disagree with 'putting up points'.
With seven of those coming for a forced fumble by Ratliff in Giant's territory... Like I said, the Giants were content with allowing yardage...
 

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Doomsday101;3129214 said:
Dallas ran the ball from under center as well and we still were not able to break through the run blitz. You do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. Giants were drawn up at the line though out the game thus we had 397 yards passing and put up 24 points through the air. What did Dallas in had nothing to do with the play of the offense. The offense did not allow Hick to run for a TD on a punt, the offense did not let Jacobs run 75 yards for a TD. Biggest mistake by offense was Barber fumble which came off short swing pass to the outside which you claimed in another post Dallas does not do because evidently Garrett only knows 1 pass route the deep ball. You don't spend much time thinking do you?

I've stopped even debating football with that guy. He really has no idea what he's talking about, and blames Garrett for everything...It's comical.
 

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NextGenBoys;3129227 said:
I've stopped even debating football with that guy. He really has no idea what he's talking about, and blames Garrett for everything...It's comical.
Dallas just needs to 'execute'...
 

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khiladi;3129232 said:
Dallas just needs to 'execute'...

Your hatred for Garrett takes the players out of the equation and puts the burden completely on the coordinator and discredits the performance on the field.

It's a joke.
 

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khiladi;3129224 said:
If the Giants are defending run, then you run play-action, which was almost non-existent in the game. Coupled by the fact that we are in shot-gun formation all the time, we severely limit the effectiveness of forcing DBs to play up... We try and go for the big strike all the time, and the Giants were just sitting back deep all day. We got a lot of yardage for a reason, part of it the Giants giving it up on purpose...

I agree that play-action would have been a good thing, but you have to have established some success running first before play-action is effective though.

The reason we lost was because of the two long scoring plays that we gave up.

Ridiculous.
 

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It's a combination of the tells we give off and the style of run plays that were called. Teams have been saying for two years now that they know what play we are going to run by the way we line up and by who it is. Predictability.

Since we are a pass 1st team our selection of run plays are limited. Line up under center on 2nd down and you can guarantee it's gonna be a run. Felix in the back field, run to the outside. Easy to stuff when you stack the box. We can't sell play action to anybody because teams expect us to pass and that is a huge problem.

Shotgun: Pass 9/10.

There's more but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the rest, these are the most obvious. This is a big, slow, power run line with one finesse guy in Doug Free. Instead of running power/motor grader type runs behind Bigg and Dre we try to run finesse crap. Teams are not buying it anymore, time to make adjustments. Problem is Wade doesn't know offense so he says pass more, Garrett is pass happy already and there you have it, more passes. Fortunately Romo had a good game in the air but sadly the ST's and the D caved in.

But even greater than all that we have a short yardage back as our feature back with 0 home run threat, BRILLIANT!!!
 

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NextGenBoys;3129240 said:
Your hatred for Garrett takes the players out of the equation and puts the burden completely on the coordinator and discredits the performance on the field.


It's a joke.
My 'emphasis' on Garrett puts the 'emphasis' on Garrett, because he is the major problem of this offense. I hate to see such talent go to waste...He's akin to Dave Schula, prior to Norv coming here and revamping the whole offense that made it dominant...
 

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CowboyFan74;3129274 said:
But even greater than all that we have a short yardage back as our feature back with 0 home run threat, BRILLIANT!!!

Barber is a Fullback. He has fullback strengths and weaknesses.

He should not be our every down back.

Choice and Jones need to split carries to keep them each fresh and the other team chasing.

Barber short yardage. He needs to stay between the hash marks, not taking it outside.
 
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