DMN Blog: Garrett: Cowboys passed because NY shut down run

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WV Cowboy;3129284 said:
Barber is a Fullback. He has fullback strengths and weaknesses.

He should not be our every down back.

Choice and Jones need to split carries to keep them each fresh and the other team chasing.


Barber short yardage. He needs to stay between the hash marks, not taking it outside.
And these personnel decisions are purely on Garrett...
 

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khiladi;3129224 said:
If the Giants are defending run, then you run play-action, which was almost non-existent in the game. Coupled by the fact that we are in shot-gun formation all the time, we severely limit the effectiveness of forcing DBs to play up... We try and go for the big strike all the time, and the Giants were just sitting back deep all day. We got a lot of yardage for a reason, part of it the Giants giving it up on purpose...

We need to take advantage of the short stuff with our backs, Austin, and maybe even Ogletree. Put Felix in the slot, move him around, get him the ball in space. Throw more bubble screens, those actually work. Get the ball in Austin's hands on quick outs or 5 yards past the line of scrimmage.

We had success with the dink and dunk but we gotta get the ball in the quicker guys hands, not Witten. Don't get me wrong I luv what Witten brings but if that was Felix getting the ball in the middle of the field, look out. Same with Austin or Ogletree. We gotta change it up, this offense is to predictable and stagnant. Steal some pages from the Eagles with what they do with Westbrook....
 

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WV Cowboy;3129284 said:
Barber is a Fullback. He has fullback strengths and weaknesses.

He should not be our every down back.

Choice and Jones need to split carries to keep them each fresh and the other team chasing.

Barber short yardage. He needs to stay between the hash marks, not taking it outside.

That would be a sick double threat right there. Barber (Fullback) and Choice (Tailback) or Barber and Felix in the back field at the same time. It would allow you to sell the play action and put your speed back in motion. Get teams used to one or the other running the ball on a few series and then bam, play action deep. There are many possibilities as well with a guy like Felix in motion and lining up in the slot, dc's would have nightmares...
 

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Remember how much they talked in training camp about Felix moving out in passing downs to take advantage of LBs? Remember all the talk about the possibilities from the 2 tight-end formation, yet Garrett is only relying on it for pass protection...
 

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khiladi;3129283 said:
My 'emphasis' on Garrett puts the 'emphasis' on Garrett, because he is the major problem of this offense. I hate to see such talent go to waste...He's akin to Dave Schula, prior to Norv coming here and revamping the whole offense that made it dominant...

Check some Dave Schula offensive rankings, then check Garrett's.

Get back to me.
 

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khiladi;3129387 said:
Remember how much they talked in training camp about Felix moving out in passing downs to take advantage of LBs? Remember all the talk about the possibilities from the 2 tight-end formation, yet Garrett is only relying on it for pass protection...

Felix has never been good at running routes, or catching the ball besides out of the backfield.

And have you seen anything from MartyB that deems worthy of him getting a heavy load in the passing game?

Thought so.
 

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NextGenBoys;3129396 said:
Felix has never been good at running routes, or catching the ball besides out of the backfield.

And have you seen anything from MartyB that deems worthy of him getting a heavy load in the passing game?



Thought so.
Let me repeat what I said:Remember how much they talked in training camp about Felix moving out in passing downs to take advantage of LBs? Remember all the talk about the possibilities from the 2 tight-end formation, yet Garrett is only relying on it for pass protection...
 

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The Cowboys gained a season-low 45 yards on the ground in the loss to New York.

That doesn't mean they were ineffective.

Quarterback Tony Romo threw for 392 yards, three touchdowns and wasn't intercepted. He was sacked only twice in 55 attempts. Since the Cowboys averaged only 2 yards per rushing attempt and had several negative runs, Wade Phillips suggested you could argue the Cowboys should have thrown even more.

Here is what offensive coordinator Jason Garrett had to say.

"They blitzed the run a lot throughout the game,'' Garrett said. "There was a commitment there.

"I felt we did a good job moving the ball in different ways. I thought Tony did a really good job of reading through progressions in the passing game. I thought our line protected well against a very good defensive front. We were able to move the ball on them.

"Obviously, you would like to have a consistent running game. But they were so strong in their commitment to shut it down, we had to be able to do something else. We were able to do that.''



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Cowboys HAD to pass as Garrett can't call an offense because he sucks ***. :mad:
 

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khiladi;3129224 said:
If the Giants are defending run, then you run play-action, which was almost non-existent in the game. Coupled by the fact that we are in shot-gun formation all the time, we severely limit the effectiveness of forcing DBs to play up... We try and go for the big strike all the time, and the Giants were just sitting back deep all day. We got a lot of yardage for a reason, part of it the Giants giving it up on purpose...

There is no reason at all for running play action passes when the other team is run blitzing the hell out of you. Again you have little idea what you're talking about. Maybe a few to get them to guess more but it appeared to everyone else they were intent on not allowing the run. The LBs et all didn't need to be frozen. There were those looking for the pass and those who were coming most of the time.

I do think they should have called more plays from under center and also deeper patterns esp stop and go routes, circle routes and deeper outs, flag and posts.
 

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I never would have believed people are blaming Garrett for this loss unless I actually saw it for myself.

Kudos.
 

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NextGenBoys;3129394 said:
Check some Dave Schula offensive rankings, then check Garrett's.

Get back to me.

Rankings and stats are merely padded stats against scrubs in Garrett's world right now. This is the 3rd year we see his offense bog down when it matters most. Let's talk x's and o's instead of stats for a minute here....
 

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187beatdown;3129411 said:
I never would have believed people are blaming Garrett for this loss unless I actually saw it for myself.

Kudos.

Are they blaming him for the loss? Or just stating the fact that his playcalling and gameplanning are horrible all of the time?

I think it's more of the later... No one is saying that we lost to the Giants because of the playcalling. More so, they are saying that we are predictable when we are running or passing, and that is never a good thing. It's not the running game you need, it's the threat of a running game... and we don't have that from the shotgun... In fact, it is merely impossible for any team to have that threat from the shotgun...

SO when you couple that with the lack of power running plays that we call for our "fullback" (as he is referred to in this thread), we have absolutely no threat of a running game when defenses are not giving it to us... i.e. the first Giants game. Our run plays are not designed to suit our running backs plain and simple. Barber running nothing but draws, Felix running everything outside, and Choice only seeing third down pass protection and Razorback action... no wonder we can't get anything done in the running game. I don't believe these posts are referring simply to one game of frustration, rather three years of it.
 

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187beatdown;3129411 said:
I never would have believed people are blaming Garrett for this loss unless I actually saw it for myself.

Kudos.

hence the "I see stupid people" in above my avatar
 

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khiladi;3129283 said:
My 'emphasis' on Garrett puts the 'emphasis' on Garrett, because he is the major problem of this offense. I hate to see such talent go to waste...He's akin to Dave Schula, prior to Norv coming here and revamping the whole offense that made it dominant...

better go back and check the results before making such a dumb comment
 

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187beatdown;3129411 said:
I never would have believed people are blaming Garrett for this loss unless I actually saw it for myself.

Kudos.
Hello and welcome to the Zone. Please sit back and enjoy your stay.
 

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187beatdown;3129411 said:
I never would have believed people are blaming Garrett for this loss unless I actually saw it for myself.

Kudos.


Stick around,it'll get better the longer it simmers.

Craig
 

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khiladi;3129397 said:
Let me repeat what I said:Remember how much they talked in training camp about Felix moving out in passing downs to take advantage of LBs? Remember all the talk about the possibilities from the 2 tight-end formation, yet Garrett is only relying on it for pass protection...

And then once they saw more of it on the practice field, I'm assuming they veered away from that plan, as MartyB may not have shown enough, and Felix missed time this year as well, so we havent seen all of that yet.
 

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CowboyFan74;3129412 said:
Rankings and stats are merely padded stats against scrubs in Garrett's world right now. This is the 3rd year we see his offense bog down when it matters most. Let's talk x's and o's instead of stats for a minute here....

Ok let's talk X's and O's...because all I hear is Garrett sucks and the offense bog's down.

Give me any example of how horrible he is, and I'll give you an example of him succeeding.

You guys expect perfection and it's ridiculous. We have a better coordinator than probably 75% of the league.
 

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DaBoys4Life;3129114 said:
Garrett was calling screens in the 4th quarter....

Uhh if a team is blitzing against the run it would seem the logical thing to do is throw a screen pass. I Just don't think this team is very good at the screen pass and the guy who should be dominate at it isn't(Felix).
 

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the rushing aspect of Garrett's offense is ****. we run all these finesse plays like the shotgun draw that are more prone to losing yardage or gaining very little than actually gaining positive yardage. it's almost like he wants the run to fail so he can call 50 passes a game. also like the passing offense it's very predictable. Garrett is lucky he has Romo making him look better than he really is. too bad it's gonna take Garrett failing as the HC here for a few more years before Jerry realizes that Garrett is the Wade Phillips of OC's.
 
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