DMN Blog: Garrett: Cowboys passed because NY shut down run

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rocyaice;3129637 said:
Uhh if a team is blitzing against the run it would seem the logical thing to do is throw a screen pass. I Just don't think this team is very good at the screen pass and the guy who should be dominate at it isn't(Felix).

Maybe that's why we dont run it more?

Yet people want to ***** and moan about our lack of screens...yet when we run them I dont see much success.

The moaning about coaching is annoying. Everyone thinks they have the answers because they can drop 50 a game in Madden. Coaches make more decisions on what goes on behind closed doors and at practice rather than simply what happens on Sundays.
 

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rocyaice;3129637 said:
Uhh if a team is blitzing against the run it would seem the logical thing to do is throw a screen pass. I Just don't think this team is very good at the screen pass and the guy who should be dominate at it isn't(Felix).
The screen worked with Jacobs, so maybe it's the execution sometimes not the OC.
OK, I'm in a zone thread, let me pile on JG too I'll be right back let me get my pitch fork and torch.
 

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khiladi;3129397 said:
Let me repeat what I said:Remember how much they talked in training camp about Felix moving out in passing downs to take advantage of LBs? Remember all the talk about the possibilities from the 2 tight-end formation, yet Garrett is only relying on it for pass protection...


Two years in a row that Ginger has sold us a bill of goods about his 2 tight end masterplan. Marty B is even more useless this year then last.
 

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The Cowboys gained a season-low 45 yards on the ground in the loss to New York.

That doesn't mean they were ineffective.

Quarterback Tony Romo threw for 392 yards, three touchdowns and wasn't intercepted. He was sacked only twice in 55 attempts. Since the Cowboys averaged only 2 yards per rushing attempt and had several negative runs, Wade Phillips suggested you could argue the Cowboys should have thrown even more.

Here is what offensive coordinator Jason Garrett had to say.

"They blitzed the run a lot throughout the game,'' Garrett said. "There was a commitment there.

"I felt we did a good job moving the ball in different ways. I thought Tony did a really good job of reading through progressions in the passing game. I thought our line protected well against a very good defensive front. We were able to move the ball on them.

"Obviously, you would like to have a consistent running game. But they were so strong in their commitment to shut it down, we had to be able to do something else. We were able to do that.''



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sorry, that's bad coachig. we run the shut gun almost exclusively and run from under center most of the time. we are tipping off our tendencies. and how about a screen play or a pitch out to negate those run blitzes. how about a draw play with Jones or Choice. what happened to your wildcat formation. Garrett is full of excuses.

in otherwords he just said the other defensive coordinator forced me into passing and predictable game and despite Romo playing well, any DC in the league would take that in a heart beat. he got 392 yards against a banged up secondary, missing their star MLB and got a meaningless TD at the end of the game. in other words, we scored 17 points passing for 350 yards, moving the ball between the 20s. like I said any DC in the league would take that in a heart beat.

what about some kind of an adjustment to make them pay for run blitzes.....none.....we dinked and dunked and couldn't score...that's the key to beating the cowboys...take the big play away by keeping the WRs in front of you. run blitz and garrett will start throwing from the shot gun and now you got your predictable pattern....I take that if I were a defensive coordinator.
 

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CowboysFaninDC;3129702 said:
sorry, that's bad coachig. we run the shut gun almost exclusively and run from under center most of the time. we are tipping off our tendencies. and how about a screen play or a pitch out to negate those run blitzes. how about a draw play with Jones or Choice. what happened to your wildcat formation. Garrett is full of excuses.

in otherwords he just said the other defensive coordinator forced me into passing and predictable game and despite Romo playing well, any DC in the league would take that in a heart beat. he got 392 yards against a banged up secondary, missing their star MLB and got a meaningless TD at the end of the game. in other words, we scored 17 points passing for 350 yards, moving the ball between the 20s. like I said any DC in the league would take that in a heart beat.

what about some kind of an adjustment to make them pay for run blitzes.....none.....we dinked and dunked and couldn't score...that's the key to beating the cowboys...take the big play away by keeping the WRs in front of you. run blitz and garrett will start throwing from the shot gun and now you got your predictable pattern....I take that if I were a defensive coordinator.

We ran every one of those plays you mentioned.

And yeah because we give up punt returns for TD's and allow 270lb running backs to outrun our entire team for TD's every week.

Yeah, every team should gameplan exactly like New York.

You people are ridiculous.
 

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khiladi;3129106 said:
While our OL blocked well up-front, does that include the rushing attack where Barber was consistently getting hit by two people who broke into the back-field? You would thing, with the size of our OL, you would power-block more often, so that you wear down the line by the fourth.
I disagree with Garrett that the OL did well in run blocking. All the running backs were getting mugged in the backfield because of the run blitz the Giants were using.
Did Garrett mention how the Giants pretty much did the same thing last time, defending the deep pass as well... Garrett, thank your lucky stars you have Romo to avoid the rush, to compensate for your pathetic passing attack.
If you call that passing attack pathetic I don't know what you expect. By any standards that was a VERY successful passing attack.
 

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CowboyFan74;3129314 said:
That would be a sick double threat right there. Barber (Fullback) and Choice (Tailback) or Barber and Felix in the back field at the same time. It would allow you to sell the play action and put your speed back in motion. Get teams used to one or the other running the ball on a few series and then bam, play action deep. There are many possibilities as well with a guy like Felix in motion and lining up in the slot, dc's would have nightmares...

Sounds great, and I'll bet Barber would be all over it. He seems to be a real team first guy.
 

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jay cee;3129751 said:
Sounds great, and I'll bet Barber would be all over it. He seems to be a real team first guy.
he'd be a 48 million dollar fullback though. Jerry really put us in a bad position with his contract and Newmans.
 

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JPM;3129646 said:
The screen worked with Jacobs, so maybe it's the execution sometimes not the OC.
OK, I'm in a zone thread, let me pile on JG too I'll be right back let me get my pitch fork and torch.

Maybe you should start a thread about how Garrett AND Phillips should be retained long-term, because it's not their fault; it's the players who don't execute that are at fault. And please put in a plug for Jerry Jones too because as a GM he is doing a masterful job of bringing in talented players. That's what GMs do. After all, it's not the GMs fault either if said talent does not execute to its ability.
 

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dbair1967;3129544 said:
"I see stupid people"

I see your still looking in the mirror David.;)

NextGenBoys;3129630 said:
Ok let's talk X's and O's...because all I hear is Garrett sucks and the offense bog's down.

Give me any example of how horrible he is, and I'll give you an example of him succeeding.

You guys expect perfection and it's ridiculous. We have a better coordinator than probably 75% of the league.

No we have more talent than 75% of the league and Garrett is riding it into the ground, literally. We dominate weaker opponents and pad our stats which merely gives the illusion of a top 5 offense but when we play solid teams we get shut down, have been for 3 years now. If Romo wasn't so good at scrambling you would probably be calling for Garrett's head.

Break down this nugget you skipped.

CowboyFan74;3129274 said:
It's a combination of the tells we give off and the style of run plays that were called. Teams have been saying for two years now that they know what play we are going to run by the way we line up and by who it is. Predictability.

Since we are a pass 1st team our selection of run plays are limited. Line up under center on 2nd down and you can guarantee it's gonna be a run. Felix in the back field, run to the outside. Easy to stuff when you stack the box. We can't sell play action to anybody because teams expect us to pass and that is a huge problem.

Shotgun: Pass 9/10.

There's more but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the rest, these are the most obvious. This is a big, slow, power run line with one finesse guy in Doug Free. Instead of running power/motor grader type runs behind Bigg and Dre we try to run finesse crap. Teams are not buying it anymore, time to make adjustments. Problem is Wade doesn't know offense so he says pass more, Garrett is pass happy already and there you have it, more passes. Fortunately Romo had a good game in the air but sadly the ST's and the D caved in.

But even greater than all that we have a short yardage back as our feature back with 0 home run threat, BRILLIANT!!!

We don't even have our best back running the ball, we have a guy who would probably be better playing fullback as our starter, yeah Garrett is a genius...:rolleyes:
 

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DaBoys4Life;3129114 said:
Garrett was calling screens in the 4th quarter....

whats the difference between calling a screen in the 1st quarter or the 4th quarter? You'd still be putting the ball into the hands of a guy who you feel can make a play.
 

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Rampage;3129765 said:
he'd be a 48 million dollar fullback though. Jerry really put us in a bad position with his contract and Newmans.

I can fault Jones for a lot of things, but Newman's and Barber's contracts would not be on that list. They were playing really well when he signed them to those deals.

I don't think Barber is very well suited for Garrett's style of offense, but IMO, he could do very well in the type of scheme CowboyFan74 was proposing.
 

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CATCH17;3129211 said:
The 1 thing that drives me crazy about Garretts run calls is when Felix is in the game.

9 times out of 10 he is going to call a run play that is designed to get to the outside. That drives me crazy to no end.

You do realize that pretty much all of Felix's big runs have been to the outside? He's not the type of back that's going to run between the tackles.
 

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I'm eh about the running in this game. I'm not sure they're using these guys right, but none the less, the Oline wasn't getting much push and holes weren't opening up like they were Week 2. 55 attempts is a bit nuts though :)

Just have to accept that this game came down to a few plays that were not executed by Dallas and WERE executed by New York: *Barber's fumble. *4th and 2, *Jacobs' TD reception, *Nick's TD (where newman went for the ball).

*ON Barber's fumble...eh, maybe he should have been heading to the sideline, but he was fighting for yards and probably thought he could get by Kiwanuka and (IMO) got a little sloppy w/ the ball. Probably doesn't make this mistake again this year.

*The 4th and 2; Romo had room to run, but he's not much of a runner. Barber *MUST* get beyond the 1st down marker before he turns around to look for a pass. Again, probably doesn't make this mistake again this year.

*Jacobs' TD catch; eh, Spencer first looked inside, by that time, Jacobs was beyond him. And hey, the no holding call by the refs on Darcy Johnson when he clearly had Sensabaugh's jersey helped Jacobs. If it's called, play comes back, they have 1st and 20 at the 16. Ultimately, it was just a bad break for Dallas.

*Nick's TD was just Newman being aggressive. This time it didn't work. I won't fault Newman for his aggression there. If he gets it, its broken up or INT'd and probably returned for a score. Given the opportunity again, I think Newman goes for the hit/tackle. May happen again, who knows.
 

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Kilyin;3129828 said:
You do realize that pretty much all of Felix's big runs have been to the outside? He's not the type of back that's going to run between the tackles.


Did you watch Thanksgiving or any last year?

Felix Jones has power that Chris Johnson doesn't.

You don't want to bang him inside all day, but he is a dang good inside runner.

You want to create space for him, and a zone blocking scheme would do it better, imo.
 

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Garrett tried to run it.

It didn't work.

My question is this:

You had no running game all day long.

Felix Jones had back to back runs of 10 and 8 yards. Why did you take him out of the game at that point?

Why didn't you make the Giants stop him.

You yanked him and stopped him yourself.
 

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41gy#;3129876 said:
Garrett tried to run it.

It didn't work.

My question is this:

You had no running game all day long.

Felix Jones had back to back runs of 10 and 8 yards. Why did you take him out of the game at that point?

Why didn't you make the Giants stop him.

You yanked him and stopped him yourself.

We do that all the time with the run no matter who is hot...
 

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I think that the offense is scoring enough points to be ranked #10 in the league in scoring.Is there still room for improvement? I would say yes,there is.

I also know that the offense is ranked #3 overall in yardage in the league.That's not a bad ranking for a team that is coordinated by a total idiot that is still learning on the job.He will get better as time goes on in in my opinion.

Some say those offensive stats are the result of feasting on weak teams.Maybe there is some truth to that,but you can only play the teams that you have on your schedule.

Now what I can't figure out is why our defense has not feasted on some of those weaker opponents.Where are all the forced fumbles and interceptions that should have come when playing those weaker teams.I'm not even seeing the sack machine that Wade created last year,I guess he must have left that machine in the garage for repairs.The only thing this defense has somehow managed to do is rank #5 overall in points allowed.But to be honest about it I don't like the chances of this defense making a stand in crunch time even considering that #5 ranking.Ofcoarse the same argument could be made with that #3 ranked offense as well.

Craig
 

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41gy#;3129876 said:
Garrett tried to run it.

It didn't work.

My question is this:

You had no running game all day long.

Felix Jones had back to back runs of 10 and 8 yards. Why did you take him out of the game at that point?

Why didn't you make the Giants stop him.

You yanked him and stopped him yourself.

Because if you get 2 runs off five yards or more then do a play action the safeties will bite and it will be a big play...oh wait this aint madden.....
 
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