DMN Blog: Miles Austin to Miami?

[Hostile]

Indianapolis might trade down or even grab him at the bottom of round one. They supposedly like him a lot.

I think he's a better fit in a 3-4 as a NT than in a 4-3.

He's my current pet cat as you might have deduced.

 

[theogt]

We'd still have the right to match the contract even if they did offer him with the 2nd round tag. And I doubt Parcells would offer him a fortune. Maybe a fairly nice contract, but not a fortune.

They didn't ban poison pills did they? I remember there was some discussion about banning them, but I haven't heard of it happening in a while.

 

[theebs]

If I remember correctly miami does have their own plus washingtons two.

So if they gave us washingtons two, and we lose austin, then at least there would be some satisfaction if we get a good player with the skins choice...

but umm, I would like to keep austin thanks.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

If we got a second 2 plus all the picks we have... wow!!!

The draft would be so awesome!!!!

Didn't our goofy uncle jerra already give away most of our draft to the Lions?

Or are you being fas . . . facsce . . . or are you kidding?

 

[Derinyar]

Didn't our goofy uncle jerra already give away most of our draft to the Lions?

Or are you being fas . . . facsce . . . or are you kidding?

We don't have a first. But I think we have a minimum of one pick in every round after that. This would give us a second 2nd. I think we have a very high 3rd, not ours. 2 4ths iirc, and a bunch of lower round picks.

 

[jazzcat22]

What is the tender for a first round tender? I mean if it's not an enormous amount of salary or anything why not give him the highest just in case and keep yourself out of worrying. No one will give a 1st rounder for him.

Though, honestly, as much as I like him I don't know that I wouldn't consider it pretty lucky if someone gave me an extra 2nd round pick for him as well. I mean wasn't he undrafted? Or drafted pretty late and to turn around and in just a couple of years get a 2nd out of him?

That's not to shabby.

I'd much rather keep him, of course, cause I happen to be a big fan of him but I certainly wouldn't be upset by getting a 2nd for him.

Don't the cowboys still have the right to match the offer and not lose him. So why over pay for a 1st round tender. When they can pay him the 2nd round and then renegotiate. In the mean time, if a better option for a WR comes up. They can still get a Wr and a 2nd rounder if they go that direction.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

They didn't ban poison pills did they? I remember there was some discussion about banning them, but I haven't heard of it happening in a while.

I don't think it was anything official, but I thought the commish put the word out that there needed to be a gentleman's agreement not to do it anymore.

But then I never bought the idea that Parcells would do Jerry any favors just because he was friends with him, or whatever the idea was that floated around last year. So I guess anything's possible.

 

[VACowboy]

Where do I sign?

 

[Alexander]

I think he's a better fit in a 3-4 as a NT than in a 4-3.

he's my current pet cat as you might have deduced.

He's very much like Hayneworth. He could two gap or play nose. Boston College had him alongside Raji and he was more of the space eater.

 

[TD-33]

I'd take a 2nd round pick, I like Austin but I don't see him ever challenging as a #1 receiver.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I like Miles, but I would take a 2nd from Miami for him because it means they are likely out of the Ron Brace sweepstakes.

Exactly. That would certainly be a good thing for us if we could get Brace.

Don't the cowboys still have the right to match the offer and not lose him. So why over pay for a 1st round tender. When they can pay him the 2nd round and then renegotiate. In the mean time, if a better option for a WR comes up. They can still get a Wr and a 2nd rounder if they go that direction.

Very true, very true. I agree with that, you're correct.

He's very much like Hayneworth. He could two gap or play nose. Boston College had him alongside Raji and he was more of the space eater.

I would be thrilled with either of those guys but I just tend to like Brace more.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

He's very much like Hayneworth. He could two gap or play nose. Boston College had him alongside Raji and he was more of the space eater.

I think Brace is far more a pure stand-still space eater than Haynesworth. AH is very athletic for his size... Brace isn't. Which is why AH was a top-15 pick and Brace will be a second rounder or worse.

 

[2much2soon]

This is a tough call. Austin showed huge improvement going into this past season.

You could just tell he is starting to get it. His route running was markedly improved. And he has the speed to run by anyone in the league. And its apparent he is willing to put in the work to get better.

I think he would of put up decent numbers for his slot in the rotation if the offense hadn't been in near-complete disarray.

 

[theebs]

Mike lombardi had this to say about the austin thing.

In a very slow news day in the NFL, this item from the Examiner caught my eye. Now, I know Miles Austin is a good player and, depending on what happens with Terrell Owens, the Cowboys may or may not have the money to sign him to an extension. However, what many people miss in this scenario is the huge money you have to pay to get the deal done with Austin. That cost will go beyond a second-round draft pick. Second-round picks are like gold; they have a very low cap cost and they should bring in a four-year starter at very modest money. In addition, unless you have seen all the college prospects in the draft and watched them work out, you cannot make this trade because the pick is really a player.

I like Austin as a player. He is very powerful, he can return kicks, and he can make the tough inside catch. He is very good with the ball in his hands, and I’m very sure he’s better than most of the wideouts the Dolphins have. That’s not his competition, and that’s not how you view the deal. Until the players run at the Combine and you can compare and assess the value of a second-round pick, this proposed trade is just a bad rumor. You would be trading for a player without knowing the true cost.

The restricted free-agent market is a good market to look for deals and potential starters, assuming you don’t have to give up a valued pick. Second- and third-round picks are very cost effective, and if the scouting department is doing a great job, they can find starters in those rounds. The year the Giants didn’t have a first- or second-round pick, they were still able to find Justin Tuck in the third and Brandon Jacobs in the fourth. That’s why those picks, when done right, are too valuable to trade away.

This is a big week in the NFL. Beginning Wednesday, the poker game begins: Agents walk around the Combine trying to test the market and throw out numbers for a contract. There will be more work done in the coming days than there has been all season when it comes to contracts and player movement. All this tampering talk is just that — talk. There are two events going on in Indy, UFA movement and the college players running. Both are equally important.

The National Football Post will be at the Combine in full force. We’ll have our entire team there to analyze the players and the free-agent movement that will begin once the signing period opens. So check back for updates starting Thursday.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Mike lombardi had this to say about the austin thing.

In a very slow news day in the NFL, this item from the Examiner caught my eye. Now, I know Miles Austin is a good player and, depending on what happens with Terrell Owens, the Cowboys may or may not have the money to sign him to an extension. However, what many people miss in this scenario is the huge money you have to pay to get the deal done with Austin. That cost will go beyond a second-round draft pick. Second-round picks are like gold; they have a very low cap cost and they should bring in a four-year starter at very modest money. In addition, unless you have seen all the college prospects in the draft and watched them work out, you cannot make this trade because the pick is really a player.

I like Austin as a player. He is very powerful, he can return kicks, and he can make the tough inside catch. He is very good with the ball in his hands, and I’m very sure he’s better than most of the wideouts the Dolphins have. That’s not his competition, and that’s not how you view the deal. Until the players run at the Combine and you can compare and assess the value of a second-round pick, this proposed trade is just a bad rumor. You would be trading for a player without knowing the true cost.

The restricted free-agent market is a good market to look for deals and potential starters, assuming you don’t have to give up a valued pick. Second- and third-round picks are very cost effective, and if the scouting department is doing a great job, they can find starters in those rounds. The year the Giants didn’t have a first- or second-round pick, they were still able to find Justin Tuck in the third and Brandon Jacobs in the fourth. That’s why those picks, when done right, are too valuable to trade away.

This is a big week in the NFL. Beginning Wednesday, the poker game begins: Agents walk around the Combine trying to test the market and throw out numbers for a contract. There will be more work done in the coming days than there has been all season when it comes to contracts and player movement. All this tampering talk is just that — talk. There are two events going on in Indy, UFA movement and the college players running. Both are equally important.

The National Football Post will be at the Combine in full force. We’ll have our entire team there to analyze the players and the free-agent movement that will begin once the signing period opens. So check back for updates starting Thursday.

Not a bad bit of information by this guy. I do like how he points out that you don't really know what you're giving up with a 2nd rounder yet but i'm still saying that if Miami wanted to give me their 2 for Austin I'd happily take it.

 

[Randy White]

this before, so I'll do it again.

Tag Miles with a #1 pick offer ( difference is about 400k, iirc ) and then open up negotiations with whomever is interested. If it's the Dullphins, great, but I don't want their 2nd round choice, I want Washington's. If it's somebody else, depending on when they're selecting in the second round would dictate if addition compensation would be necessary.

:starspin

 

[DCBoysfan]

I doubt Bill uhh I mean Jeff Ierland giving up a second round pick for Austin, I think if Austin stays healthy he takes Crayton's spot.

 

[Alexander]

I think Brace is far more a pure stand-still space eater than Haynesworth. AH is very athletic for his size... Brace isn't. Which is why AH was a top-15 pick and Brace will be a second rounder or worse.

I have a feeling Brace will be one of those players who is misevaluated because of Raji and will get overdrafted. He also made a great impression at the Senior Bowl.

The reason the Colts might be interested is because they have been looking for an anchor in the middle ever since Corey Simon ate himself into oblivion. The Booger McFarland trade was supposed to bring them that and it did not pan out either.

 

[Woods]

I think Brace is far more a pure stand-still space eater than Haynesworth. AH is very athletic for his size... Brace isn't. Which is why AH was a top-15 pick and Brace will be a second rounder or worse.

I've been reading up a bit on Brace (thehuddlereport.com and sportsline), and a couple of sites have mentioned that he has a back problem, and that for a guy his size, it's a problem that could be critical in his career.

Does anyone else have an opinion, or is this news on Brace "old news"?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't know about a back problem, but that would be a red flag.

Then again, I remember hearing the same thing about John Henderson before his draft.

Speaking of Brace:

DT Ron Brace likes the Dallas Cowboys

Profile3_tiny by Dave Halprin (Grizz) on Feb 15, 2009 11:18 PM CST in News

The combine is this week. Woo hoo! That will be something to talk about for a few days.

The Cowboys could be looking for a big NT to help out in the middle. A name that's been kicked around is Boston College's Ron Brace. Here's what Brace had to say about the Cowboys in a Q&A with Patriots Insider.

Thompson: Were there two or three teams who stuck out the most to you based on who you got to meet or how they approached the interview process (at the Senior Bowl)?

Brace: The Dallas Cowboys, and one other one that was with either the Chargers or the Panthers. I really enjoyed those conversations because they really had a conversation with me, those guys really seemed interested in me as a person.

(On his weight)

Thompson: Is 329 a good playing weight for you at the next level?

Brace: I'm comfortable at the weight I'm playing right now, and I feel I'm more productive at the weight I'm at right now. I'd like to be a little bit lighter so that I can be faster, but I don't want to lose so much weight that I lose my strength. I'd like to stay between the 320 to 325 range, but if teams want me between 325 to 330, I'll be able to do that with no problem.