DMN: BLOG: What would you give up for (Det) Roy Williams?

[bbgun]

Give me Laveranues Coles instead. Much cheaper.

 

[theogt]

Give me Laveranues Coles instead. Much cheaper.

You get what you pay for.

 

[bbgun]

You get what you pay for.

What I'm "purchasing" is a solid #2 guy. He's dinged every now and then, but so is Williams.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Let me ask you a question. Who in this draft would you take over Roy Williams? And would any of those players be available with our #1?

I do believe he is worth a 1st round pick, without a doubt. I'm just not willing to part with one. :

Jerry might feel otherwise.

 

[slick325]

If they bite on a 2nd and 6th, I'd pull the trigger in a second.

If not, I'd give up the #29 pick. This would address the WR need with a 27yr. old former Pro Bowler, big enough and fast enough to beat one on one coverage and may demand a double team. (Witten would be the luckiest TE on Earth if that occurred).

The reason I would give up #29 so easily is: 1) Dallas is not going to get a receiver at that pick that will be better than Roy Williams in 2008; 2) having hopefully drafted a CB at #22, there would be no need to pick a RB in the 1st in light of Dallas locking up MBIII long term as the starter (this draft is deep in RB's and Dallas can get one as a compliment in rounds two, three or four; and 3) in light of our recent luck with trading out of the 1st for future 1st round picks, I deal this pick for something tangible come April.

 

[Sarge]

Yes, I'd be willing to part with those picks for him, if it's what it took to get him.

OK - fair enough..............wow.....

 

[Sarge]

I also think he is worth a top 5 pick. He's young, very adequate speed, and could be the go-to-guy on any team in the league. I would prefer Fitz but I would settle for Roy.

Not for #28 and our second though............no way............IMO.

 

[theogt]

What I'm "purchasing" is a solid #2 guy. He's dinged every now and then, but so is Williams.

Yeah, I don't understand that. We need a "better than solid" #2 who can be a #1 in a year or three.

OK - fair enough..............wow.....

Not for #28 and our second though............no way............IMO.

Who on earth in this draft would you want at #28 that will certainly be better than the Roy Williams?

 

[Cbz40]

I would prefer a player that can and will help us now...it usually takes a rookie WR a couple of seasons to get acclimated to the NFL.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I like Roy Williams but I'm not big on spending a 1st.

What we need on offense is a speed reciever like Stallworth or Berrian. I'd go that route first without having to cough up a draft pick.

 

[theogt]

I like Roy Williams but I'm not big on spending a 1st.

What we need on offense is a speed reciever like Stallworth or Berrian. I'd go that route first without having to cough up a draft pick.

Williams ran a 4.36.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Williams ran a 4.36.

Hey, I think the guy is a wonderful WR. But this offense doesn't need a wonderful WR... not in '08.

Give me a speed guy and let us use our firsts elsewhere and I'm a happy camper.

Now if we only had to give up a 2nd then I'm interested.

 

[slick325]

I would prefer a player that can and will help us now...it usually takes a rookie WR a couple of seasons to get acclimated to the NFL.

My thoughts exactly Cbz. Especially since Dallas is so close to being a Super Bowl team. If Dallas is to address the WR position I would much rather get a guy acclimated to the league and who has proven he can play at a high level. As opposed to going into next season with T.O., Crayton at #2 again, a ? in Stanbach at #3 or Hurd at #3 again, a rookie at #3 or #4 behind Crayton or Stanbach.

That's a recipe for disaster and I think Jerry knows it based on how the offense bogged down late in the season when the WR's opposite T.O. couldn't make teams pay for one on one coverage.

 

[theogt]

Hey, I think the guy is a wonderful WR. But this offense doesn't need a wonderful WR... not in '08.

Give me a speed guy and let us use our firsts elsewhere and I'm a happy camper.

Now if we only had to give up a 2nd then I'm interested.

For the future, this team has two huge needs -- WR and CB. We can spend #22 on a corner and #28 on a WR. There's no real downside here. There's maybe 2-3 players in this draft that have more potential than RW, and we don't have a shot at them.

 

[Cbz40]

My thoughts exactly Cbz. Especially since Dallas is so close to being a Super Bowl team. If Dallas is to address the WR position I would much rather get a guy acclimated to the league and who has proven he can play at a high level. As opposed to going into next season with T.O., Crayton at #2 again, a ? in Stanbach at #3 or Hurd at #3 again, a rookie at #3 or #4 behind Crayton or Stanbach.

That's a recipe for disaster and I think Jerry knows it based on how the offense bogged down late in the season when the WR's opposite T.O. couldn't make teams pay for one on one coverage.

Your post is right on.

 

[Rack]

I think the guy is "worth" a top 5 pick if you're getting him at age 26 with a long-term contract. Our 2nd round pick isn't worth much because it's so late. Same for our 1st. No one would in their right mind trade a top 5 pick for our 1st and 2nd. So, if we can get him with that and give him the contract, it'd be a steal in that sense.

Now, it may not take that much to get him, so it might be "too much." I really have no idea how much it would take to get him. But I know I'd, at least, be willing to give up that much. Probably more.

No way is he "worth" a top 5 pick. If he were, not even Matt Millen is dumb enough to get rid of a veteran that is "worth" a top 5 pick.

Ok well maybe Millen is, but still not likely.

I MIGHT be willing to trade #28, but not 28 AND our 2nd.

If you aquire him you have to hope his injuries were just bad luck. He's missed 9 games in his first 4 years. Michael Irvin missed 16 games his first 4 years.

True, but Irvin didn't have a history of "nagging" injuries coming into the NFL (that I know of). ANd he suffered on "Big" injury early on, not a series of "small" injuries.

If he had missed those games cuz of one injury but was fine other then that I wouldn't even think twice about it, but he's had several "small" injuries that have kept him out.

Still, I might be willing to trade #28, but not 28 and a 2nd.

 

[Chuck 54]

I don't think any team in the league would give a #1 for him, but I could be wrong. He hasn't done much special in the league so far due to injuries.

I certainly wouldn't give up a #1 when he's a home boy and would probably sign with us in FA in another year anyway. He's not as good as Calvin Johnson, so that makes him a #2 in Detroit...at best. You can talk all you want about his talent, but I think he can be had for much less than a #1 pick.

He's had 4 NFL seasons and only 1 complete season, playing only 12 games this year...only 1 1000 yard season. He's a guy I'd love to have in Dallas, but I'd be hesitant to give up a #1 pick for a guy with his NFL history so far.

 

[theogt]

No way is he "worth" a top 5 pick. If he were, not even Matt Millen is dumb enough to get rid of a veteran that is "worth" a top 5 pick.

Ok well maybe Millen is, but still not likely.

I MIGHT be willing to trade #28, but not 28 AND our 2nd.

He would be willing to let him go because he knows he can't keep him past '08 and he would want to get something, however little, out of him.

 

[slick325]

Your post is right on.

I thank you old wise one. Or shall I say Grand Poobah?

 

[Rack]

He would be willing to let him go because he knows he can't keep him past '08 and he would want to get something, however little, out of him.

Fair enough, but only #28, not 28 and a 2nd.