DMN: BLOG: What would you give up for (Det) Roy Williams?
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theogt;1920266 said:
I do believe he is worth a 1st round pick, without a doubt. I'm just not willing to part with one.
: Jerry might feel otherwise.
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If they bite on a 2nd and 6th, I'd pull the trigger in a second.
If not, I'd give up the #29 pick. This would address the WR need with a 27yr. old former Pro Bowler, big enough and fast enough to beat one on one coverage and may demand a double team. (Witten would be the luckiest TE on Earth if that occurred).
The reason I would give up #29 so easily is: 1) Dallas is not going to get a receiver at that pick that will be better than Roy Williams in 2008; 2) having hopefully drafted a CB at #22, there would be no need to pick a RB in the 1st in light of Dallas locking up MBIII long term as the starter (this draft is deep in RB's and Dallas can get one as a compliment in rounds two, three or four; and 3) in light of our recent luck with trading out of the 1st for future 1st round picks, I deal this pick for something tangible come April.
If not, I'd give up the #29 pick. This would address the WR need with a 27yr. old former Pro Bowler, big enough and fast enough to beat one on one coverage and may demand a double team. (Witten would be the luckiest TE on Earth if that occurred).
The reason I would give up #29 so easily is: 1) Dallas is not going to get a receiver at that pick that will be better than Roy Williams in 2008; 2) having hopefully drafted a CB at #22, there would be no need to pick a RB in the 1st in light of Dallas locking up MBIII long term as the starter (this draft is deep in RB's and Dallas can get one as a compliment in rounds two, three or four; and 3) in light of our recent luck with trading out of the 1st for future 1st round picks, I deal this pick for something tangible come April.
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Yeah, I don't understand that. We need a "better than solid" #2 who can be a #1 in a year or three.bbgun;1920274 said:
Sarge;1920282 said:
Who on earth in this draft would you want at #28 that will certainly be better than the Roy Williams?Sarge;1920286 said:
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I like Roy Williams but I'm not big on spending a 1st.
What we need on offense is a speed reciever like Stallworth or Berrian. I'd go that route first without having to cough up a draft pick.
What we need on offense is a speed reciever like Stallworth or Berrian. I'd go that route first without having to cough up a draft pick.
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theogt;1920300 said:
Hey, I think the guy is a wonderful WR. But this offense doesn't need a wonderful WR... not in '08.
Give me a speed guy and let us use our firsts elsewhere and I'm a happy camper.
Now if we only had to give up a 2nd then I'm interested.
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Cbz40;1920291 said:
My thoughts exactly Cbz. Especially since Dallas is so close to being a Super Bowl team. If Dallas is to address the WR position I would much rather get a guy acclimated to the league and who has proven he can play at a high level. As opposed to going into next season with T.O., Crayton at #2 again, a ? in Stanbach at #3 or Hurd at #3 again, a rookie at #3 or #4 behind Crayton or Stanbach.
That's a recipe for disaster and I think Jerry knows it based on how the offense bogged down late in the season when the WR's opposite T.O. couldn't make teams pay for one on one coverage.
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For the future, this team has two huge needs -- WR and CB. We can spend #22 on a corner and #28 on a WR. There's no real downside here. There's maybe 2-3 players in this draft that have more potential than RW, and we don't have a shot at them.MichaelWinicki;1920304 said:
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theogt;1920238 said:
No way is he "worth" a top 5 pick. If he were, not even Matt Millen is dumb enough to get rid of a veteran that is "worth" a top 5 pick.
Ok well maybe Millen is, but still not likely.
I MIGHT be willing to trade #28, but not 28 AND our 2nd.
Big Dakota;1920246 said:
True, but Irvin didn't have a history of "nagging" injuries coming into the NFL (that I know of). ANd he suffered on "Big" injury early on, not a series of "small" injuries.
If he had missed those games cuz of one injury but was fine other then that I wouldn't even think twice about it, but he's had several "small" injuries that have kept him out.
Still, I might be willing to trade #28, but not 28 and a 2nd.
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I don't think any team in the league would give a #1 for him, but I could be wrong. He hasn't done much special in the league so far due to injuries.
I certainly wouldn't give up a #1 when he's a home boy and would probably sign with us in FA in another year anyway. He's not as good as Calvin Johnson, so that makes him a #2 in Detroit...at best. You can talk all you want about his talent, but I think he can be had for much less than a #1 pick.
He's had 4 NFL seasons and only 1 complete season, playing only 12 games this year...only 1 1000 yard season. He's a guy I'd love to have in Dallas, but I'd be hesitant to give up a #1 pick for a guy with his NFL history so far.
I certainly wouldn't give up a #1 when he's a home boy and would probably sign with us in FA in another year anyway. He's not as good as Calvin Johnson, so that makes him a #2 in Detroit...at best. You can talk all you want about his talent, but I think he can be had for much less than a #1 pick.
He's had 4 NFL seasons and only 1 complete season, playing only 12 games this year...only 1 1000 yard season. He's a guy I'd love to have in Dallas, but I'd be hesitant to give up a #1 pick for a guy with his NFL history so far.