DMN Blog: Would you rather have Tony Romo or Jay Cutler?

[theogt]

1. Compare the two QB's - call them even but note why I call them even. (Tony's turnovers)

This is where you go wrong. I've shown you that turnover stats are damn near identical. And that any difference can be explained by Cutler having a better O-line.

 

[superpunk]

Here's something for you, then.

Romo's career INT% = 3.5%

Aikman's career INT% = 3.0%

Romo's career fumble% = 2.4%

Aikman's career fumble% = 1.2%

Romo's career TD% = 6.2%

Aikman's career INT% = 3.5%

We can obviously all see where the big disparity lies.

 

[Coy]

Every GM in the league would take Brandon Marshall over any Wr we have.

Try again.

As they would probably take Cutler over Romo, 3 years younger with elwayesque potential.
I ask you, if you were a GM today who would you sign to a 5 or 7 year deal??

 

[rcaldw]

Here's something for you, then.

Romo's career INT% = 3.5%

Aikman's career INT% = 3.0%

Romo's career fumble% = 2.4%

Aikman's career fumble% = 1.2%

Romo's career TD% = 6.2%

Aikman's career INT% = 3.5%

We can obviously all see where the big disparity lies.

Ok, now let me ask you to do something. Look at Aikman's numbers when he was playing at a championship caliber level. I already pointed out that in 1989, 1990 and his last year 2000, his TD to Int ratio was basically 2-1 on the side of turnovers. (9-18; 11-18; 7-14) By the way, those 3 seasons account for 50 of Aikman's career 141 interceptions. I think we can both agree that Aikman's first 3 seasons involved a different kind of team and a different kind of development than Romo was afforded. Romo sat for 3 seasons before starting.

Our records were 1-15; 7-9; 5-11

Are you really saying that Romo is Aikman's equal at this point in his career? Do you really believe that Romo is a Hall of Fame QB at this point?

Now, if Romo is to BECOME a Hall of Fame QB, what would you say is an area where he needs to improve?

And as you consider that, note this.

1992 Super Bowl Playoff run - Aikman 8 TD's 0 interceptions
1993 Super Bowl Playoff run - Aikman 6 TD's 3 interceptions
1995 Super Bowl Playoff run - Aikman 4 TD's 1 interception

When he was leading us to championships 18 TD's - 4 interceptions.

Turnovers matter.

 

[rcaldw]

This is where you go wrong. I've shown you that turnover stats are damn near identical. And that any difference can be explained by Cutler having a better O-line.

You may be right Theogt, and if so, if both QB's are going to turn it over like that, then I'll take Romo.

 

[bbgun]

Why are we surprised that a young QB who was thrown into the fire is, in some respects, lagging behind a more seasoned QB with better overall talent surrounding him? Even Jimmy famously remarked (off the record) that Troy was a "loser" who wouldn't be a winner in this league. If he was wrong, who's to say we aren't wrong about Cutler?

 

[rcaldw]

Why are we surprised that a young QB who was throw into the fire is, in some respects, lagging behind a more seasoned QB with better overall talent surrounding him? Even Jimmy famously remarked (off the record) that Troy was a "loser" who wouldn't be a winner in this league. If he was wrong, who's to say we aren't wrong about Cutler?

What makes Cutler intriguing are the physical tools he possesses. He has mobility like Elway did, and he has a rifle for an arm. His temperament seems to be different though. His jawing with Rivers, what seems to be a consistent blowing up at team mates, just makes it seem that he may not be as mentally tough as you would like. But you are right, we don't know the final story on any of these guys yet, including our own guy, Romo.

 

[saphire1]

He wasn't pressured anything like what Tony was. According to Football Outsiders, Denver had the #1 rated O-line in terms of rushing and #4 in terms of passblocking.

but its not like cutler just dropped back and stood there like a drew bledsoe statue before he throws. if he did then you can give all the credit to the o-line. kid's got amazing scrambling ability, and pocket presence. very underrated, just because the o-line was pretty good.

he can run the ball well too when needed. he's a tough kid. he smacks into defenders and not just slides. he makes mean blocks for his receivers and rbs too.

and like pointed out before, he didn't have the benefit of a barber-jones-choice rb combo. for cutler, he doesnt even know who his rb is gonna be the next week. they asked a lot of him to throw because they don't have enough of a stable running game. that high rush ypc of denver, imo, is deceiving.

ill probably take romo now. he's savvier than cutler, prob because he has more experience (yes, i realize that they have the same amount of PLAYING experience, but romo also had the experience of sitting behind the main qb, coming in with no expectations, and not being thrown into the fire immediately. that may not mean much to most, but imo, that greatly helps in developing a qb. while cutler was drafted to be the franchise guy and wasnt given much "learning" time.) but in terms of the future and having that franchise qb you'll have in your team for the next 10 years or so, like favre with gb or elway with denver, i'll take cutler.

 

[theogt]

Why are we surprised that a young QB who was thrown into the fire is, in some respects, lagging behind a more seasoned QB with better overall talent surrounding him? Even Jimmy famously remarked (off the record) that Troy was a "loser" who wouldn't be a winner in this league. If he was wrong, who's to say we aren't wrong about Cutler?

I think Cutler has performed very well considering his situation. No one denies that at all. It's just that when you ask, who would you take (right now or in the future) him or Romo, you have to look at production.

 

[Coy]

but its not like cutler just dropped back and stood there like a drew bledsoe statue before he throws. if he did then you can give all the credit to the o-line. kid's got amazing scrambling ability, and pocket presence. very underrated, just because the o-line was pretty good.

he can run the ball well too when needed. he's a tough kid. he smacks into defenders and not just slides. he makes mean blocks for his receivers and rbs too.

and like pointed out before, he didn't have the benefit of a barber-jones-choice rb combo. for cutler, he doesnt even know who his rb is gonna be the next week. they asked a lot of him to throw because they don't have enough of a stable running game. that high rush ypc of denver, imo, is deceiving.

ill probably take romo now. he's savvier than cutler, prob because he has more experience (yes, i realize that they have the same amount of PLAYING experience, but romo also had the experience of sitting behind the main qb, coming in with no expectations, and not being thrown into the fire immediately. that may not mean much to most, but imo, that greatly helps in developing a qb. while cutler was drafted to be the franchise guy and wasnt given much "learning" time.) but in terms of the future and having that franchise qb you'll have in your team for the next 10 years or so, like favre with gb or elway with denver, i'll take cutler.

Great Post.

 

[wileedog]

Why are we surprised that a young QB who was thrown into the fire is, in some respects, lagging behind a more seasoned QB with better overall talent surrounding him? Even Jimmy famously remarked (off the record) that Troy was a "loser" who wouldn't be a winner in this league. If he was wrong, who's to say we aren't wrong about Cutler?

I like Cutler a lot. I also like Romo, and think the turnovers are:

a) blown out of proportion playing half a season with a busted finger, whining WRs and running for his life and

b) for the most part fixable with good coaching and health.

Cutler has his share too playing behind a much better line.

I'd take either honestly.

 

[Hostile]

Just because this thread needs a dose of humor.

In 2006, I went to the NFL Draft with Juke99. He got some amazing VIP tickets. Thanks again Juke.

At the Draft was a New Yorker who was a Broncos fan. Try to hear the stereotypical overdone New York accent in your head as you read this. Think a male version of Fran Drescher.

Denver trades up and selects Cutler. This guy gets out of his seat. He's holding his beer in his right hand and his arms are out wide as he begins to turn around in circles so his voice reaches out to everyone and he begins his chant.

"Goodbye Jake Plummah, you no talent bastid. Goodbye you no talent hack. Pack your bags you no talent piece of crap. Oh, did I spill beer on you? No? Thank goodness. Nectar of the Gods."

JMO, he was the star of the Draft.

 

[DallasEast]

Just because this thread needs a dose of humor.

In 2006, I went to the NFL Draft with Juke99. He got some amazing VIP tickets. Thanks again Juke.

At the Draft was a New Yorker who was a Broncos fan. Try to hear the stereotypical overdone New York accent in your head as you read this. Think a male version of Fran Drescher.

Denver trades up and selects Cutler. This guy gets out of his seat. He's holding his beer in his right hand and his arms are out wide as he begins to turn around in circles so his voice reaches out to everyone and he begins his chant.

"Goodbye Jake Plummah, you no talent bastid. Goodbye you no talent hack. Pack your bags you no talent piece of crap. Oh, did I spill beer on you? No? Thank goodness. Nectar of the Gods."

JMO, he was the star of the Draft.

Thanks a lot! Now I can't get rid of Drescher's laugh out of my head!

 

[superpunk]

Ok, now let me ask you to do something. Look at Aikman's numbers when he was playing at a championship caliber level. I already pointed out that in 1989, 1990 and his last year 2000, his TD to Int ratio was basically 2-1 on the side of turnovers. (9-18; 11-18; 7-14) By the way, those 3 seasons account for 50 of Aikman's career 141 interceptions. I think we can both agree that Aikman's first 3 seasons involved a different kind of team and a different kind of development than Romo was afforded. Romo sat for 3 seasons before starting.

Our records were 1-15; 7-9; 5-11

Are you really saying that Romo is Aikman's equal at this point in his career? Do you really believe that Romo is a Hall of Fame QB at this point?

Now, if Romo is to BECOME a Hall of Fame QB, what would you say is an area where he needs to improve?

And as you consider that, note this.

1992 Super Bowl Playoff run - Aikman 8 TD's 0 interceptions
1993 Super Bowl Playoff run - Aikman 6 TD's 3 interceptions
1995 Super Bowl Playoff run - Aikman 4 TD's 1 interception

When he was leading us to championships 18 TD's - 4 interceptions.

Turnovers matter.

I enjoy how you narrow the analytical spectrun to fit your pre-formulated opinion.

 

[rcaldw]

I enjoy how you narrow the analytical spectrun to fit your pre-formulated opinion.

How so? I took the 3 years that represent what we all want the team to achieve, a Super Bowl win, and showed that not turning the ball over is a key to success in NFL playoff football. (the goal narrows the spectrum, the outcome of those seasons narrows the spectrum, not MY pre-forumlated opinion)

Again, have I just introduced something from Mars? Good night people, everybody and their momma who has anything to do with the NFL SAYS THE SAME THING. Playoff football is often about who makes the least amount of mistakes. Are you honestly acting like you have never heard that before?

The only reason it sounds so strange here is that it doesn't CURRENTLY fit our QB's profile, who happens to be the guy you are trying to support.

I support Romo too. I want him to do well too. To do well, (well defined as playoff success and a chance at a Super Bowl) he will have to cut down on his turnovers.

Don't kill the messenger, examine the message.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I don't want either... Give me Phillip Rivers.

 

[28 Joker]

Tony Romo

If Garrett goes to Denver, he will inherit the strongest arm in the NFL. Cutler can put those slants on a rope. Will Garrett call any?

Don't even say Romo can't throw one, because I can still see the frozen rope he threw to Terry Glenn in the Colts game.

 

[Batman]

It would be a tough call. Cutler is several years younger. Cutler has the strongest arm in the game, he can put tremendous velocity on the ball and if can reach his potential he is gonna do some unreal thing with that arm.

Romo has a good arm, but not like Cutler's. Romo though has better pocket awareness, but Cutler has a good feel for pressure as well. I think Romo has very good talent and potential. But, with Cutler being younger and havin the strongest arm in the game, I would be tempted to have Cutler as QB.

 

[Mansta54]

Romo for sure!!!!

 

[CF74]

Why is this even a question? Cutler has never had the sort of production Tony does. Despite putting up a ton of yardage, his QB rating actually regressed this year, because of all the INTs and lower YPA.

In a few more years, Cutler might become as good as Tony, but that's far from a guarantee. But even then, the goal is for him to as productive as Tony. The idea that he'll every surpass him is pretty far-fetched.

Anyone that says Cutler is better either doesn't know what they're talking about (high likely) or is just saying it in a half-***** attempt to be a non-homer.

If Cutler had half of Romo's weapons or if Romo had Shanahan instead of Garrett, if Romo had Cutler's cannon, scrambling ability is about the same, hmmm...