DMN Blog: Would you rather have Tony Romo or Jay Cutler?

[jterrell]

This is why a conversation with you, on a subject like this, is futile.

So, Romo's fumbles are all the fault of the offensive line. He doesn't have a propensity to turn the ball over. No one else in the universe of FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE has made any reference to it?

You are blind.

No I see quite well.

His fumbles are a result of BOTH his mishandling of the ball and his OL allowing him to get hot FAR TOO MUCH.

You tell me.... If TR had half the QB pressures would he had the same amount of fumbles????

That is the point. Good grief. You want to quantify a negative stat affected 100% by QB pressure and then ignore the fact one guy has a MUCH better OL. All the while ignoring that the one with the worse OL still make more touchdowns.

 

[rcaldw]

So, Romo's fumbles aren't, at least partially, a result of the offensive line?

Does he just let go of the ball intentionally and wait for someone to pick it up?

Of course they are Theogt, but he also has to protect the football, ESPECIALLY if you know you have a leaky offensive line. The QB is getting hit or else he wouldn't fumble, unless it is an extra point.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Cutler.

I really wonder about Romo's commitment to the game.

 

[The Panch]

You would think Philip Rivers the way they go back and forth against one another.

Speaking of which, Id take Rivers over both of em.

 

[Coy]

Every GM in the league would take Brandon Marshall over any Wr we have.

Try again.

We are comparing Romo´s vs Cutler´s numbers the last 3 years, in 2007 Romo had 7 pro bowlers around him, Cutler had how many??? you can check the stat on pro bowlers the last 3 years if you want, this is not about TO vs Marshall, it´s about team vs team and it shouldn´t even be a discussion on which offense has been more talented around his QB in this period of time, it´s Dallas going away.

 

[superpunk]

Nevermind - given the fact that Cutler destroys Romo in "ability to look like that chubby annoying nerd in school who you just want to slap in the face because he thinks he's awesome but he's soooooo not" I will take Romo, hands down.

Also

Number of chins

Cutler - 2-3
Romo - 1

 

[Aikmaniac]

Keep in mind, we are comparing a guy who wasn't drafted at all to a guy who was drafted very high.

I think that's a huge complement for Romo.

I like Cutler though.

 

[HanD]

Keep in mind, we are comparing a guy who wasn't drafted at all to a guy who was drafted very high.

I think that's a huge complement for Romo.

I like Cutler though.

exactly. i like both....but the fact that we are having this conversation is a testament to how hard romo works.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Nevermind - given the fact that Cutler destroys Romo in "ability to look like that chubby annoying nerd in school who you just want to slap in the face because he thinks he's awesome but he's soooooo not" I will take Romo, hands down.

Also

Number of chins

Cutler - 2-3
Romo - 1

Also....

Romo leads Cutler in underthrowing passes into triple coverage by 10 yards...

Romo +7 on Cutler.

 

[theogt]

Of course they are Theogt, but he also has to protect the football, ESPECIALLY if you know you have a leaky offensive line. The QB is getting hit or else he wouldn't fumble, unless it is an extra point.

The best way to judge this would be to look at QB hits per fumbles lost. My guess is they're both roughly the same. I'd bet that Romo's is slightly higher, given that he is more care free, but then I'd also bet that total number of times hit has MUCH more impact on the number of fumbles lost than any sort of carelessness aspect.

 

[jterrell]

We are comparing Romo´s vs Cutler´s numbers the last 3 years, in 2007 Romo had 7 pro bowlers around him, Cutler had how many??? you can check the stat on pro bowlers the last 3 years if you want, this is not about TO vs Marshall, it´s about team vs team and it shouldn´t even be a discussion on which offense has been more talented around his QB in this period of time, it´s Dallas going away.

Compare them simply this year.

Romo was still better, with injuries, with a worse OL, with a lesser playcaller.

Cutler wasn't better THIS YEAR so you can't use the weapons argument.
Because when he did have an edge in weapons he still didn't throw more TDs and he didn't throw less picks.

Saying if he had better weapons is silly, because he did this year, and he still didn't measure up.

Until Cutler can catch Romo in QB rating he isn't doing much.

Phillip Rivers with WRs named, Moe, Larry and Curly has a QB rating even higher than Romo and a good 20 points higher than Cutler who so mnay have man love for.

 

[theogt]

I understand.

When you watch the two of them, though, the difference is not that magnificent. It's not like we're comparing Tony Romo to Jason Campbell, here.

You're right, he's not as bad as Campbell. Cutler does have that going for him.

Nevermind - given the fact that Cutler destroys Romo in "ability to look like that chubby annoying nerd in school who you just want to slap in the face because he thinks he's awesome but he's soooooo not" I will take Romo, hands down.

Also

Number of chins

Cutler - 2-3
Romo - 1

Glad to see you've capitulated, regardless of the reasoning.

 

[Hostile]

Keep in mind, we are comparing a guy who wasn't drafted at all to a guy who was drafted very high.

I think that's a huge complement for Romo.

I like Cutler though.

I like both of them.

But to say all you care about is winning, and ignore the fact Romo has won more than Cutler is to say "that was a flippant comment that you didn't expect to get called you really just wanted people to look at the pretty stats and agree."

 

[Coy]

Compare them simply this year.

Romo was still better, with injuries, with a worse OL, with a lesser playcaller.

Cutler wasn't better THIS YEAR so you can't use the weapons argument.
Because when he did have an edge in weapons he still didn't throw more TDs and he didn't throw less picks.

Saying if he had better weapons is silly, because he did this year, and he still didn't measure up.

Until Cutler can catch Romo in QB rating he isn't doing much.

Phillip Rivers with WRs named, Moe, Larry and Curly has a QB rating even higher than Romo and a good 20 points higher than Cutler who so mnay have man love for.

That´s another discussion my friend, the original discussion was comparing them in their careers not this year, and my point was that Romo does have better numbers but it has something to do with having better talent around him, by the way I do not agree with you when you say Cutler had better weapons this year, but hey this is why we have this message boards right?.

 

[AdamJT13]

As I already noted, however, TD passes need to be looked at within the overall philosophy of an offense. The Cowboys might have thrown the ball more inside the redzone than the Broncos did these last 3 years.

Romo and Cutler have thrown the exact same number of passes inside the red zone: 154.

And Cutler has thrown two more passes inside the 10-yard line: 60 to 58.

 

[rcaldw]

I like both of them.

But to say all you care about is winning, and ignore the fact Romo has won more than Cutler is to say "that was a flippant comment that you didn't expect to get called you really just wanted people to look at the pretty stats and agree."

He didn't post the pretty stats, I did.

And as I said earlier, what I think you missed is that I was pursuing 2 lines of thought, not just one.

Romo compared to Cutler - I called even at this point BECAUSE I'm concerned about Tony's turnovers. 13 more than Cutler in only 2 more games.

Romo compared to Aikman - Trying to get some perspective on Romo's turnover pace, and showing that for most of Aikman's career he did a good job of protecting the ball.

Discussion of winning - Aikman, who protected the ball well, was also our championship QB 3 times.

Conclusion - Tony needs to fix the turnover problem if we want to win championships, and no I'm not just happy with regular seasons wins.

Contrary to the opinion, I don't mind being "called" on anything, and I'm not just trying to win an argument, I'm a Cowboys fan simply giving an opinion. I think the opinion is sound. I don't think there is a clear winner at this point between Romo and Cutler (In fact I happen to agree with you about Rivers, he shouldn't be left out of the discussion), and I also think that Tony has to cut down on turnovers. Anything crazy in those views?

 

[superpunk]

Romo compared to Cutler - I called even at this point BECAUSE I'm concerned about Tony's turnovers. 13 more than Cutler in only 2 more games.

Romo compared to Aikman - Trying to get some perspective on Romo's turnover pace, and showing that for most of Aikman's career he did a good job of protecting the ball.

Discussion of winning - Aikman, who protected the ball well, was also our championship QB 3 times.

Conclusion - Tony needs to fix the turnover problem if we want to win championships, and no I'm not just happy with regular seasons wins.

This explanation of your line of reasoning is like a map drawn by Stevie Wonder. Incomprehensible. You're all over the page, mate - bow out.

 

[Hostile]

He didn't post the pretty stats, I did.

And as I said earlier, what I think you missed is that I was pursuing 2 lines of thought, not just one.

Romo compared to Cutler - I called even at this point BECAUSE I'm concerned about Tony's turnovers. 13 more than Cutler in only 2 more games.

Romo compared to Aikman - Trying to get some perspective on Romo's turnover pace, and showing that for most of Aikman's career he did a good job of protecting the ball.

Discussion of winning - Aikman, who protected the ball well, was also our championship QB 3 times.

Conclusion - Tony needs to fix the turnover problem if we want to win championships, and no I'm not just happy with regular seasons wins.

Contrary to the opinion, I don't mind being "called" on anything, and I'm not just trying to win an argument, I'm a Cowboys fan simply giving an opinion. I think the opinion is sound. I don't think there is a clear winner at this point between Romo and Cutler (In fact I happen to agree with you about Rivers, he shouldn't be left out of the discussion), and I also think that Tony has to cut down on turnovers. Anything crazy in those views?

I know you did. I was talking about you.

 

[rcaldw]

I know you did. I was talking about you.

And you are wrong, then. Didn't expect anyone to agree, and I think the reasoning is sound, and I'll stand by it.

Two young QB's, not one really outdoing the other at this point, all things considered.

Turnovers need to be cut down by Romo if we want to win championships.

Aikman a good example of protecting the ball and the importance of it to winning.

 

[rcaldw]

This explanation of your line of reasoning is like a map drawn by Stevie Wonder. Incomprehensible. You're all over the page, mate - bow out.

Hehe, maybe so SP. Makes sense to me.

1. Compare the two QB's - call them even but note why I call them even. (Tony's turnovers)

2. Compare Tony's turnovers to Aikman's a proven winner.

3. Draw the conclusion that Tony needs to cut back on turnovers if we are going to win.

1,2,3