DMN: Cowboys T Darrion Weems says he did ‘all right’ in first game in almost two years

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Parnell was just as horrible when he started out. It's funny how the same things said about Weems are the same things that were said about Parnell 4 years ago.

This thread is just as good as the Showers one where it was said that he was better than Vaughn after just one game.

I'm glad that football is back, but folks are over reacting.

The good thing is the field is where everything is resolved. We will find out if he gets better, or not... than adjust properly...

 

[dallasdave]

It's rusted all the way through the frame on that one, I think. Broaddus is off if he thinks it was just laziness on the hold and kicking out too far on the one pass rush. I don't think Weems can play.

Lets send him to the junk yard-too much rust !!!

 

[dallasdave]

The Tin Man did not have that much rust.

Totally

 

[xwalker]

It is post like this which makes it hard for people to see through your Free hate to legit limitations you mention in regards to him.

Is Nick Hayden not a reasonable comparison. Neither is a very good player but Marinelli loves Hayden for his effort and Garrett loves Free supposedly because he is a leader. In both cases there seems to be some strong personal connection between the coach and player.

They paid Free 5M average but could have kept Parnell for 6.4M average. Free was never very good and now he has had 2 foot/ankle surgeries in the past 18 months and is getting old. In a review after the season Bob Sturm showed that Parnell was better last season than Free and he had only had 1 start in any prior season. Now with 8 total starts under his belt there is a very high probability that he will be a much better player than Free in 2015.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Is Nick Hayden not a reasonable comparison. Neither is a very good player but Marinelli loves Hayden for his effort and Garrett loves Free supposedly because he is a leader. In both cases there seems to be some strong personal connection between the coach and player.

They paid Free 5M average but could have kept Parnell for 6.4M average. Free was never very good and now he has had 2 foot/ankle surgeries in the past 18 months and is getting old. In a review after the season Bob Sturm showed that Parnell was better last season than Free and he had only had 1 start in any prior season. Now with 8 total starts under his belt there is a very high probability that he will be a much better player than Free in 2015.

There you go again. You know you're not thinking straight when you're looking at AAV and not guaranteed money. Free got 6 vs 15 for Parnell. And with the big deals coming for Martin and Fred can you put big money into Parnell?

The team likes Weems (whatever) and they drafted two RT prospects in the draft. One with a premium pick in the 3rd.

You're hatred of Free makes you forget that the Cowboys are roster building not just offensive line building.

Also Free is a better RT than Hayden is a 1 tech DT. It's just silly to say otherwise. Free was part of the best overall unit in football. Hayden was part of one of the worst overall units in football and can't play on any passing down (the majority of NFL downs).

And whether you like it or not Free is a leader on the offensive line. Sure Garrett says it a lot. But so does Tyron and Martin and Fred and Leary. Are they all lying? Or are you just biased beyond belief?

Long story short? Stop @xwalker. This isn't a good look for you.

 

[Alexander]

There you go again. You know you're not thinking straight when you're looking at AAV and not guaranteed money. Free got 6 vs 15 for Parnell. And with the big deals coming for Martin and Fred can you put big money into Parnell?

[/endanotherParnellcryfest]

 

[Kaiser]

They paid Free 5M average but could have kept Parnell for 6.4M average.

Free is (slightly) better than you give him credit for, I think the Cowboys clearly would have resigned Parnell if he was available at the same price as Free. I think they saw quickly that Parnell was going to get some huge offers and signed Free as a stopgap. Parnell got 14.5MM guaranteed and it only took 6MM guaranteed to bring Free back, so the Cowboys went with the latter.

The Cowboys (lately) have been good about not overpaying at any one position, I think that was the main driver. Parnell was going to get more than they wanted to pay, so Free was the obvious fallback. They really only need him to play one more season while other players develop and his contract is structured for exactly that.

 

[xwalker]

There you go again. You know you're not thinking straight when you're looking at AAV and not guaranteed money. Free got 6 vs 15 for Parnell. And with the big deals coming for Martin and Fred can you put big money into Parnell?

The team likes Weems (whatever) and they drafted two RT prospects in the draft. One with a premium pick in the 3rd.

You're hatred of Free makes you forget that the Cowboys are roster building not just offensive line building.

Also Free is a better RT than Hayden is a 1 tech DT. It's just silly to say otherwise. Free was part of the best overall unit in football. Hayden was part of one of the worst overall units in football and can't play on any passing down (the majority of NFL downs).

And whether you like it or not Free is a leader on the offensive line. Sure Garrett says it a lot. But so does Tyron and Martin and Fred and Leary. Are they all lying? Or are you just biased beyond belief?

Long story short? Stop @xwalker. This isn't a good look for you.

Zack Martin won't be a free agent until 2019. Romo will likely be replaced by a young draft pick by then. The guaranteed money is only an issue if you need to cut the player. As long as he is playing the difference is only the extra 1.4M per year.

Tyron , Martin and Fred were All Pro with Free missing a big chunk of the season. They don't need a leader and they can definitely be the leader(s) for younger players.

I've never heard Tyron or Leary say that Free is a leader.

They could have drafted a RB in the 3rd but instead drafted an OT probably because Free was still limping around as of the time of the draft.

The Cowboys have come a long way in getting away from Jerry's emotional attachment to players that caused them problems in the past, but they still can't seem to completely move on from being influenced by emotional attachment to players like Free and Hayden.

 

[Kaiser]

Zack Martin won't be a free agent until 2019. Romo will likely be replaced by a young draft pick by then. The guaranteed money is only an issue if you need to cut the player. As long as he is playing the difference is only the extra 1.4M per year.

But if you look at the next three years, it is 14.5MM for Parnell or 8MM for Free and two years of Weems or a draft pick. I wanted Parnell over Free but that amount of money is significant.

Also the Cowboys pulled the trigger on resigning Free when they knew Parnell would get a big contract but not just how big it would be. It could have been a bigger difference than that 6.5MM and if they had waited, there was a chance they would end up losing both players in FA. They took the safe route and resigned Free before FA began.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Zack Martin won't be a free agent until 2019. Romo will likely be replaced by a young draft pick by then. The guaranteed money is only an issue if you need to cut the player. As long as he is playing the difference is only the extra 1.4M per year.

Tyron , Martin and Fred were All Pro with Free missing a big chunk of the season. They don't need a leader and they can definitely be the leader(s) for younger players.

I've never heard Tyron or Leary say that Free is a leader.

They could have drafted a RB in the 3rd but instead drafted an OT probably because Free was still limping around as of the time of the draft.

The Cowboys have come a long way in getting away from Jerry's emotional attachment to players that caused them problems in the past, but they still can't seem to completely move on from being influenced by emotional attachment to players like Free and Hayden.

There isn't a coherent argument here. Just a smattering of random thoughts.

And I mean did you just say guaranteed money doesn't matter? LOL.

Did you argue that the team isn't thinking about the cost of signing players a few years down the line? LOL

Did you argue if we signed Parnell then we could have gotten an unproven rb in the 3rd and our running game fears would magically be solved? LOL

Are you going to argue that Free wasn't a part of the early season pounding we put on teams? LOL

Are you going to argue that we have some huge emotional attachment to Hayden... So much so.... That we gave him a vet minimum contract with only a tiny bit of guarantees? LOL

 

[xwalker]

Free is (slightly) better than you give him credit for, I think the Cowboys clearly would have resigned Parnell if he was available at the same price as Free. I think they saw quickly that Parnell was going to get some huge offers and signed Free as a stopgap. Parnell got 14.5MM guaranteed and it only took 6MM guaranteed to bring Free back, so the Cowboys went with the latter.

The Cowboys (lately) have been good about not overpaying at any one position, I think that was the main driver. Parnell was going to get more than they wanted to pay, so Free was the obvious fallback. They really only need him to play one more season while other players develop and his contract is structured for exactly that.

If they had kept Parnell as the starter when Free came back from his injury last season, then they could have signed Parnell to a reasonable contact during the season; however, Parnell was not going to sign a contract if they were still forcing him to be the backup at that point. I'm certain at that point Parnell would have taken the contract that they ended up giving to Free if they had offered it then. I'm convinced that Garrett's emotional attachment to Free heavily influenced the decision.

 

[windjc]

If they had kept Parnell as the starter when Free came back from his injury last season, then they could have signed Parnell to a reasonable contact during the season; however, Parnell was not going to sign a contract if they were still forcing him to be the backup at that point. I'm certain at that point Parnell would have taken the contract that they ended up giving to Free if they had offered it then. I'm convinced that Garrett's emotional attachment to Free heavily influenced the decision.

Free is better than Parnell until proven otherwise. He is also cheaper. Parnell is overpaid now until proven otherwise.

 

[xwalker]

There isn't a coherent argument here. Just a smattering of random thoughts.

And I mean did you just say guaranteed money doesn't matter?
The cap hit is calculated based on how much a player was paid in total. The cap hit does not change regardless of whether 10% or 90% of the contract was guaranteed.

Did you argue that the team isn't thinking about the cost of signing players a few years down the line?
No, you're making things up. I implied that they have future cap space to have signed Parnell and to keep the other OLinemen on the roster.

Did you argue if we signed Parnell then we could have gotten an unproven rb in the 3rd and our running game fears would magically be solved?
No, again you're making things up. I said they likely would have drafted a RB but it appears that the the OT Green was the 1 need/reach pick that they made. At the time of the draft Free was reported to still be gimpy. If your projected starting RT is gimpy at draft time, it stands to reason that you would feel extra pressure to draft OTs and they drafted 2 of them.

Are you going to argue that Free wasn't a part of the early season pounding we put on teams?
Free does not pound anybody. He is a wall-off style blocker and they've tweaked the scheme to work around his issues. They ran right 6 times in the 1st Giants game with Free at RT and they ran right 18 times in the 2nd Giants game with Parnell at RT.

Are you going to argue that we have some huge emotional attachment to Hayden... So much so.... That we gave him a vet minimum contract with only a tiny bit of guarantees?
They could have had the same results last season by starting a young player like Ken Bishop over Hayden. If they had done that then Bishop would have all of that experience and would have become a better player; whereas, Hayden has no chance to get better. It is not just my opinion that Marinelli has some sick attachment to Hayden. It appears to be the overwhelming majority opinion of fans.

If think that if I reviewed all of your posts on this site that an unhealthy percentage of them would be posts that were directed at me. I'm not sure whether to call you a groupie or a stalker. LOL LOL LOL LOL

 

[xwalker]

Free is better than Parnell until proven otherwise. He is also cheaper. Parnell is overpaid now until proven otherwise.

It has already been proven. Bob Sturm did a detailed review of the OL's performance last season.

Free was held out of the preseason game because he is still having problems with his foot/ankle. He has had 2 foot/ankle surgeries in the past 18 months and is now 31.

The probability is that Free's performance will decline and it was never great at his peak.

 

[windjc]

It has already been proven. Bob Sturm did a detailed review of the OL's performance last season.

Free was held out of the preseason game because he is still having problems with his foot/ankle. He has had 2 foot/ankle surgeries in the past 18 months and is now 31.

The probability is that Free's performance will decline and it was never great at his peak.

Strum didn't prove anything. Free was better - proven by him starting every year. Jason doesn't make that call the OL coach does. You live in some strange fantasy land about this. It's weird.

 

[xwalker]

Strum didn't prove anything. Free was better - proven by him starting every year. Jason doesn't make that call the OL coach does. You live in some strange fantasy land about this. It's weird.

The OL coach wanted to bench Free in 2012 and replace him with Parnell but Garrett refused. Callahan appealed to Jerry and the compromise was to have them rotate series in the final 4 games that season. In other words, the OL coach definitely does not make that decision. Why do you think Callahan departed to take the same job with another team?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The cap hit is calculated based on how much a player was paid in total. The cap hit does not change regardless of whether 10% or 90% of the contract was guaranteed.

So now you're actually arguing that guaranteed money doesn't matter? A player can't get injured? Fail to live up to his contract? More guaranteed money equals more risk. It equals more power to a player. It means less leverage for a team. It is why players fight for guaranteed money. You know this. I know this. Stop embarrassing yourself and stating that the 6m guaranteed to Free and the 15 guaranteed to Parnell is not significant to the players involved and to the teams involved. It is. Not acknowledging this shows your bias. It's embarrassing.

No, you're making things up. I implied that they have future cap space to have signed Parnell and to keep the other OLinemen on the roster.

The salary cap is a zero sum game. The more you pay one player. The less you can pay another. In this case there is real and significant differences in the money to be paid both players. That isn't made up.

No, again you're making things up. I said they likely would have drafted a RB but it appears that the the OT Green was the 1 need/reach pick that they made. At the time of the draft Free was reported to still be gimpy. If your projected starting RT is gimpy at draft time, it stands to reason that you would feel extra pressure to draft OTs and they drafted 2 of them.

You're making things up. You have no idea where they had Chaz rated verses where they had any of the RBs rated. So to say they would have taken a RB over Chaz if only they had signed Parnell is purely fantasy.

What stands to reason actually is that if you don't think a player is going to be ready in September you don't sign them to an extension.

Free does not pound anybody. He is a wall-off style blocker and they've tweaked the scheme to work around his issues. They ran right 6 times in the 1st Giants game with Free at RT and they ran right 18 times in the 2nd Giants game with Parnell at RT.

You're twisting my words. Free was part of the most dominant unit in football. Does he have his limitations? Yup. Everyone acknowledges this.

As to the number of times a team ran right in two different games...hardly something that can be used to draw definitive conclusions. But since the 2nd game happened a month after the first and Martin was just hitting his stride and everyone was realizing omg Martin is a monster...perhaps they just wanted to run towards his side more? Or maybe they thought the Giants would load up on the left side to stop our tendency from game 1? Or maybe different personnel on the Giants side showed the coaches something? I mean I can think of a million reasons why these two occurrences happened. Placing it solely on Parnell is something someone with an agenda would do. Do you have an Agenda walker?

Nevermind you ignored my point....Free was part of the most dominant unit in football. He did his job. And now he's going to do it cheaply. That is something a good organization does.

They could have had the same results last season by starting a young player like Ken Bishop over Hayden. If they had done that then Bishop would have all of that experience and would have become a better player; whereas, Hayden has no chance to get better. It is not just my opinion that Marinelli has some sick attachment to Hayden. It appears to be the overwhelming majority opinion of fans.

The attachment is so strong that they didn't resign him immediately and gave him as little as humanly possible? And those young players will/should push Hayden. But last year our 1 tech dts weren't exactly lighting the world on fire. Hayden or any of the young players behind him.

And if there is one thing that the overwhelming majority of fans think...it is that you have some sick attachment to Parnell. A player who doesn't play for the Cowboys and never did so in a very meaningful way when he was here. Let it go.

If think that if I reviewed all of your posts on this site that an unhealthy percentage of them would be posts that were directed at me. I'm not sure whether to call you a groupie or a stalker. LOL LOL LOL LOL

Says the guy who sends me private messages asking me to review gametape... Are you mad I ignored you? Sorry I was in Tahoe with some ladies. It couldn't be helped. I'll be there for you next time.

Having said all that...

Walker when it comes to Parnell the Zone can't stand you. And your style is mine anyway so don't bite the hand that feeds you.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The OL coach wanted to bench Free in 2012 and replace him with Parnell but Garrett refused. Callahan appealed to Jerry and the compromise was to have them rotate series in the final 4 games that season. In other words, the OL coach definitely does not make that decision. Why do you think Callahan departed to take the same job with another team?

Because he was slighted here. He had play calling stripped from him unceremoniously midway through a season and then saw another guy brought in to do the job he was promised.

People have made lateral moves for less.

But you knew that.

 

[xwalker]

Walker when it comes to Parnell the Zone can't stand you.

How did I get 10,000 likes?

And your style is mine anyway so don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I don't know what that means.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

How did I get 10,000 likes?.

First, It's embarrassing to be a grown person bragging about likes on a fan forum.

But to answer your question....you post a lot and you don't have 10,000 posts about Parnell.

I don't know what that means.

It means don't privately value my opinion and input and publicly call me a stalker because I got tired of sitting idly by while you bring up a Jaguar. Again. And. Again.