News: DMN: Dak Prescott notches higher QB rating in debut than any quarterback drafted ahead of him

[CowboyRoy]

Dak's performance yesterday was the most impressive preseason performance I can remember by a Cowboys rookie QB since Quincy Carter's performance vs Oakland back in 2001. That was the performance that made Jerry decide to start Carter and cut Tony Banks. Dak did get the benefit of playing with some of the starters including Dez, while Showers was stuck playing with scrubs. With Romo starting the next 2 preseason games it will be more of a level playing field between Dak and Showers with both having to play with backups and bubble players.

Please dont ever mention QC and our young QB every in the same sentence again. And there was never ANYTHING ever impressive about the hapless and woefully untalented Quincy Bong Carter.

 

[zrinkill]

It took Romo a long time to be ready ....... hopefully Dak coming from a bigger school and having romo to mentor him will be faster.

 

[KJJ]

Romo vs VikIngs?

I have no recollection of that game. If someone can find the stats feel free to post them. Carter had 2 TD passes vs the Raiders as a rookie in preseason in a performance impressive enough to get Tony Banks cut and Carter named the opening day starter. If Romo looked that impressive against the Vikings as a rookie it wouldn't have taken 3 years for him to get his chance the Cowboys had nothing at QB. It took a couple of seasons for him to be named the backup. Drew Henson got his chance before Romo and Henson never looked good.

 

[KJJ]

Please dont ever mention QC and our young QB every in the same sentence again. And there was never ANYTHING ever impressive about the hapless and woefully untalented Quincy Bong Carter.

Carter certainly didn't measure up to the solid starting QBs the Cowboys have had throughout their history but don't kid yourself he had his moments where he looked impressive and gave us a little hope. As a rookie on a team that had virtually no talent offensively and a horrid OL he won 3 games. He didn't have a security blanket like Jason Witten at TE. Against the Giants in week 13 he completed almost 66% of his passes with a TD and a passer rating of 100.5. Against SF in week 16 he completed 60% of his passes with 2 TD's, no int's and had a passer rating of 118.9. During his second season he put up 240 yards against Tenn with 2 TD's and no int's and finished with a passer rating of 120.1.

He won 3 of 7 starts that season which is a lot better than what we've gotten from the QBs that have had to take over for Romo the past 3 years. Those QBs were 1-13 on offenses that were far more talented than the offenses Carter had. Carter won 10 games in his 3rd season leading the Cowboys to the playoffs. He completed 72% of his passes vs Detroit that season with 3 TD's and no int's finishing with a passer rating of 133.3. He only took one sack in that game. He had 3 games that season with passer ratings over 100.0. He had some talent, Parcells said so himself and called Carter to give him a chance in Miami but he was having drug issues. It was is drug issues that got him cut from the Cowboys and ruined his career.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Carter certainly didn't measure up to the solid starting QBs the Cowboys have had throughout their history but don't kid yourself he had his moments where he looked impressive and gave us a little hope. As a rookie on a team that had virtually no talent offensively and a horrid OL he won 3 games. He didn't have a security blanket like Jason Witten at TE. Against the Giants in week 13 he completed almost 66% of his passes with a TD and a passer rating of 100.5. Against SF in week 16 he completed 60% of his passes with 2 TD's, no int's and had a passer rating of 118.9. During his second season he put up 240 yards against Tenn with 2 TD's and no int's and finished with a passer rating of 120.1.

He won 3 of 7 starts that season which is a lot better than what we've gotten from the QBs that have had to take over for Romo the past 3 years. Those QBs were 1-13 on offenses that were far more talented than the offenses Carter had. Carter won 10 games in his 3rd season leading the Cowboys to the playoffs. He completed 72% of his passes vs Detroit that season with 3 TD's and no int's finishing with a passer rating of 133.3. He only took one sack in that game. He had 3 games that season with passer ratings over 100.0. He had some talent, Parcells said so himself and called Carter to give him a chance in Miami but he was having drug issues.

Dont EVER talk to me about Quincy Carter looking good or anything so laughable. Quincy Carter sucked from day #1. NOTHING he did EVER looked good to me and he NEVER EVER EVER gave ME hope for anything but wasted time.

That being said you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[tyke1doe]

Nope, I'm convinced.

I mean he played against a makeshift preseason Ram defense. What other proof do you need that he is the next Roger Staubach?

Im on my way to the tatoo palor now to get my chest Dak-erated.

 

[KJJ]

Dont EVER talk to me about Quincy Carter looking good or anything so laughable. Quincy Carter sucked from day #1. NOTHING he did EVER looked good to me and he NEVER EVER EVER gave ME hope for anything but wasted time.

That being said you are entitled to your opinion.

I'm just giving you the facts Carter had his moments on some real bad teams that had no OL and little receiving talent other than Joey Galloway who was a deep threat. Emmitt was in decline and he got stuck with Troy Hambrick as his RB in 2003 and still won 10 games leading the Cowboys to the playoffs. Your perception is so off you were picking the team to win Super Bowls during some of those seasons on the old board we were on. Lol You were one of the biggest HOMERS I had ever seen back then. I wish those old archives were still around, your predictions were a comedy of errors.

 

[Idgit]

Carter certainly didn't measure up to the solid starting QBs the Cowboys have had throughout their history but don't kid yourself he had his moments where he looked impressive and gave us a little hope. As a rookie on a team that had virtually no talent offensively and a horrid OL he won 3 games. He didn't have a security blanket like Jason Witten at TE. Against the Giants in week 13 he completed almost 66% of his passes with a TD and a passer rating of 100.5. Against SF in week 16 he completed 60% of his passes with 2 TD's, no int's and had a passer rating of 118.9. During his second season he put up 240 yards against Tenn with 2 TD's and no int's and finished with a passer rating of 120.1.

He won 3 of 7 starts that season which is a lot better than what we've gotten from the QBs that have had to take over for Romo the past 3 years. Those QBs were 1-13 on offenses that were far more talented than the offenses Carter had. Carter won 10 games in his 3rd season leading the Cowboys to the playoffs. He completed 72% of his passes vs Detroit that season with 3 TD's and no int's finishing with a passer rating of 133.3. He only took one sack in that game. He had 3 games that season with passer ratings over 100.0. He had some talent, Parcells said so himself and called Carter to give him a chance in Miami but he was having drug issues. It was is drug issues that got him cut from the Cowboys and ruined his career.

Quincy did have moments. He threw a beautiful deep ball. He had a pretty good preseason of his own that led to him getting elevated way, way too soon. But there was that stretch there under Parcels where he somehow got that bad team to 10-6 and it looked like he might have a shot to develop.

He's another dude I just feel bad for. He wilted under the pressure, but it was a ton of pressure. He was a national laughingstock from the get-go because of the situation Jerry put him in--both by drafting him and then by cutting Banks and elevating him too soon. Parcels said as much after he cut him:

"I became pretty close with Quincy personally, and this kid had a lot of good qualities," Parcells said. "He was smart. He understood it. But I just couldn’t save his ***. I really couldn’t.

"You just didn’t have the time. There he is, he got his team in the playoffs, he’s the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, he’s playing good, he’s improving, he can get out of trouble, he’s pretty smart, he can make almost every throw -- and it’s just, some people just can’t fight the pressure to succeed.

"They just can’t fight it. It’s too much on them once the bar gets up a little bit. It’s too much. I don’t know all the problems or the demons exactly, but that’s what eventually took him down."

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cow...parcells-fear-of-success-doomed-quincy-carter

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[drawandstrike]

People need to remember Romo sat for 4 years, and I include the 2006 offseason & training camp in that because nobody knew Bledsoe would be benched 6 games into the season.

2003
2004
2005
2006 - got 1st start because of Bledsoe's benching after 6 games.

That was 4 full training camps and offseasons in which Romo broke down his throwing motion and rebuilt it to get a higher release point. Romo threw sidearm when he arrived in Dallas, and even though he was making some plays early on, I remember Bill Parcells being quoted as saying "Well he better fix that throwing motion or he'll get half his passes batted back in his face."

Recall from 2006 to 2008 when Romo was getting his passes batted down was a regular occurrence. It would happen several times a game. 1 game against the Bills, the one Nick Folk won with a dramatic FG, I think Romo had 7 passes batted down, including 1 that was intercepted for a TD.

Romo 'threw small' when got here. It took a lot of coaching and work to basically break down his throwing motion and alter it to get the ball released at a higher point. For the past 7 seasons you rarely see him get a pass batted back in his face. So the hard work and the coaching has paid off.

Romo wasn't Pro Bowl material when he got here. He was developed into it by a smart coach who knew what he was doing. We can hope Dak Prescott and Jamiel Showers are getting the same kind of coaching so they too can develop to their full potential.

1 thing about Dak, from what I've seen so far: we won't need to spend 3 seasons breaking down his throwing motion and altering it to avoid batted passes. So he might well be ahead of where Romo was in 2003.

 

[Idgit]

I'm just giving you the facts Carter had his moments on some real bad teams that had no OL and little receiving talent other than Joey Galloway who was a deep threat. Emmitt was in decline and he got stuck with Troy Hambrick as his RB in 2003 and still won 10 games leading the Cowboys to the playoffs. Your perception is so off you were picking the team to win Super Bowls during some of those seasons on the old board we were on. Lol You were one of the biggest HOMERS I had ever seen back then. I wish those old archives were still around, your predictions were a comedy of errors.

Really? CowboyRoy was around back in the Quincy days? That actually surprises me.

 

[KJJ]

Quincy did have moments. He threw a beautiful deep ball. He had a pretty good preseason of his own that led to him getting elevated way, way too soon. But there was that stretch there under Parcels where he somehow got that bad team to 10-6 and it looked like he might have a shot to develop.

He's another dude I just feel bad for. He wilted under the pressure, but it was a ton of pressure. He was a national laughingstock from the get-go because of the situation Jerry put him in--both by drafting him and then by cutting Banks and elevating him too soon. Parcels said as much after he cut him:

"I became pretty close with Quincy personally, and this kid had a lot of good qualities," Parcells said. "He was smart. He understood it. But I just couldn’t save his ***. I really couldn’t.

"You just didn’t have the time. There he is, he got his team in the playoffs, he’s the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, he’s playing good, he’s improving, he can get out of trouble, he’s pretty smart, he can make almost every throw -- and it’s just, some people just can’t fight the pressure to succeed.

"They just can’t fight it. It’s too much on them once the bar gets up a little bit. It’s too much. I don’t know all the problems or the demons exactly, but that’s what eventually took him down."

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cow...parcells-fear-of-success-doomed-quincy-carter

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Being thrown to the wolves having to take over for Troy Aikman on a declining team with Dave Campo as his head coach put Carter in a very difficult position as a rookie. Some are either in denial or hate to admit it but he did have his moments. He made a terrific, clutch game winning throw into the end zone in the closing seconds to Antonio Bryant vs Carolina in 2003. The pressure to have to succeed in Dallas got to him which may have led to his drug use. Not easy having to take over for a future HOF QB, it added even more pressure and Carter couldn't deal with it.

 

[KJJ]

Really? CowboyRoy was around back in the Quincy days? That actually surprises me.

He was on the old FWST Cowboys board with me as far back as 2002. I could tell he was the same CowboyRoy from that board because he loves to claim he's "roasting" someone in an argument. His MO hasn't changed through the years.

 

[Idgit]

Being thrown to the wolves having to take over for Troy Aikman on a declining team with Dave Campo as his head coach put Carter in a very difficult position as a rookie. Some are either in denial or hate to admit it but he did have his moments. He made a terrific, clutch game winning throw into the end zone in the closing seconds to Antonio Bryant vs Carolina in 2003. The pressure to have to succeed in Dallas got to him which may have led to his drug use. Not easy having to take over for a future HOF QB, it added even more pressure and Carter couldn't deal with it.

I agree. I'm not defending our pick of him (it was a dumb reach), or how we threw him to the wolves when he needed development. But we put him in the wringer, and he broke. Plain and simple.

It's the easiest thing in the world to mock these guys from the anonymity of your couch, but the spotlight that goes on a 22 year old kid becoming the face of a billion-dollar organization has to be just unbelievable. Throw in a psychological condition or a chemical dependency issue, and they barely have a chance. Quincy probably would have smoked himself out of the league in any situation, but in Dallas, front and center under Bill Parcels as a Jerry-Jones-special....he was put in position to fail from the start.

 

[Idgit]

He was on the old FWST Cowboys board with me as far back as 2002. I could tell he was the same CowboyRoy from that board because he loves to claim he's "roasting" someone in an argument. His MO hasn't changed through the years.

I honestly just thought he was a younger poster. That's not intended as a dig. It's just the ratio of rational argument to emotional content in his posts is pretty low, so I assumed he was fairly new to it all.

 

[KJJ]

I honestly just thought he was a younger poster. That's not intended as a dig. It's just the ratio of rational argument to emotional content in his posts is pretty low, so I assumed he was fairly new to it all.

I started posting in 2002 which was the first encounter I had with CowboyRoy and got the impression he was an angry old man. He was a huge HOMER/FAN back in those days and supported Quincy Carter. If anyone said anything negative about the team or Carter he was on the attack. He had hopes for him just like everyone else did. This is the 3rd board me and Roy have been together on and you could bump old threads on the other boards. He got burned all the time from his being bumped so now he claims he always hated Carter. NOT TRUE!

 

[KJJ]

I agree. I'm not defending our pick of him (it was a dumb reach), or how we threw him to the wolves when he needed development. But we put him in the wringer, and he broke. Plain and simple.

It's the easiest thing in the world to mock these guys from the anonymity of your couch, but the spotlight that goes on a 22 year old kid becoming the face of a billion-dollar organization has to be just unbelievable. Throw in a psychological condition or a chemical dependency issue, and they barely have a chance. Quincy probably would have smoked himself out of the league in any situation, but in Dallas, front and center under Bill Parcels as a Jerry-Jones-special....he was put in position to fail from the start.

Carter was clearly a reach brought on by the unexpected release/retirement of Troy Aikman. Jerry never saw coming what transpired with Aikman in 2000 or he wouldn't have traded two #1's for Joey Galloway that offseason. The Cowboys were caught off guard and with nothing at QB Jerry rolled the dice on Carter.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm just giving you the facts Carter had his moments on some real bad teams that had no OL and little receiving talent other than Joey Galloway who was a deep threat. Emmitt was in decline and he got stuck with Troy Hambrick as his RB in 2003 and still won 10 games leading the Cowboys to the playoffs. Your perception is so off you were picking the team to win Super Bowls during some of those seasons on the old board we were on. Lol You were one of the biggest HOMERS I had ever seen back then. I wish those old archives were still around, your predictions were a comedy of errors.

LOL..........your memory is about as bad as your ability to analyze. Too funny. You were the Quincy Carter King, see how you cant make us forget? And I defended Romo against guys like you every day. Are you man enough to admit you were dead wrong? Surely that debate has been long put to bed by Romo. But to set the record straight I havent predicted winning any SB's since the 90's.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Quincy did have moments. He threw a beautiful deep ball. He had a pretty good preseason of his own that led to him getting elevated way, way too soon. But there was that stretch there under Parcels where he somehow got that bad team to 10-6 and it looked like he might have a shot to develop.

He's another dude I just feel bad for. He wilted under the pressure, but it was a ton of pressure. He was a national laughingstock from the get-go because of the situation Jerry put him in--both by drafting him and then by cutting Banks and elevating him too soon. Parcels said as much after he cut him:

"I became pretty close with Quincy personally, and this kid had a lot of good qualities," Parcells said. "He was smart. He understood it. But I just couldn’t save his ***. I really couldn’t.

"You just didn’t have the time. There he is, he got his team in the playoffs, he’s the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, he’s playing good, he’s improving, he can get out of trouble, he’s pretty smart, he can make almost every throw -- and it’s just, some people just can’t fight the pressure to succeed.

"They just can’t fight it. It’s too much on them once the bar gets up a little bit. It’s too much. I don’t know all the problems or the demons exactly, but that’s what eventually took him down."

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cow...parcells-fear-of-success-doomed-quincy-carter

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LOL..........beautiful deep ball? Wow, now that was funny. So you were a Quincy Carter lover too? Of course you were. That completely goes with your homer agenda.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I honestly just thought he was a younger poster. That's not intended as a dig. It's just the ratio of rational argument to emotional content in his posts is pretty low, so I assumed he was fairly new to it all.

Buddy, you like Jason Garrett and you defend Quincy Carter. Those two things right there just proves without a shadow of a doubt that your ability to analyze football and separate your emotional love for the team conflict with one another.

 

[Idgit]

LOL..........beautiful deep ball? Wow, now that was funny. So you were a Quincy Carter lover too? Of course you were. That completely goes with your homer agenda.

I wasn't, actually. I liked Hutchinson better. Not sure if that's better or worse in your universe. But I did also always feel for Quincy. As I said, he was in a nearly impossible situation.

Tempted to ask why you think I have a 'homer agenda,' but I know if I do you're just going to try to explain in and we'll be in another one of those debates where I just end up wanting to punch myself in the face for engaging in the first place.