DMN: Jets Courting Miles Austin

[dfense]

I don't believe a single RFA signed with another team league wide this year, so....

 

[jazzcat22]

I just wish the pick was higher. We could do alot with 2 2nd rders

Yes, if it was in the 1st 10 picks in the 2nd round, it may be worth thinking about. Depending on just how do the Cowboys truly value Austin's potential.

At 51 & 52, may not be worth it, unless packaged to get into the 1st round.

I don't want to say it's like a doubled edged sword, unless one is sharp and the other side is dull.
We can get sliced & diced or doing the slicing & dicing....or we can just get clubbed over the head with blunt force from the dull side.

I say, depending on the offer, which will have everything to do with the decision to match or not. It could be a tough choice and chance.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

more than 50% he goes.

 

[Stash]

Maybe this is all part of Jerry's master plan?

Maybe Step 2 involves signing Matt Jones?

(kidding!)

 

[CATCH17]

The Saints O-Line is a much better pass blocking O-Line than ours. Even with all those passes I believe I heard them say the other night that Brees was only sacked 13 times last year.

If our O-Line blocked for the pass that well then we make the playoffs last season instead of missing them.

And yes Owens and Roy were ahead of Austin but then again so was Crayton. He's had 3 years now to beat out Crayton as a better #3 or #2 option on this team and he's yet to be able to do it. A big part of that is that he can't seem to stay healthy long enough to do so but then even when he is healthy he hasn't been able to quite unseat Crayton from being ahead of him yet.

Heck, in fact, in 4 out of Craytons 5 seasons he's had more receptions for the year than Austin has in 3 years combined. The only time that wasn't true was his rookie year where he caught only 12 passes. He also has just as many TD catches in his career as Austin has receptions.

Again I really like Austin, a lot, but this idea that even if we keep him it means he's going to immediately become the #2 isn't really all that accurate. He still has to prove that he's a better option, consistantly, than Crayton is and to this point he's not been able to do that.

You may be right about the consistent part but he flat out beat Crayton last year in training camp / preseason.

Had he not got hurt he was going to be the starter on opening day.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

If Jerry truly wants him in Dallas, he'll be a Cowboy.

 

[BigBoy63]

If Jerry truly wants him in Dallas, he'll be a Cowboy.

Exactly.

 

[RS12]

Main thing I take from this is that Jets dont want to draft WR in first round and dont expect impact guy to be there in second.

 

[theebs]

I agree...Austin is replaceable and on day 2!. Fans clearly (this thread)over-value Austin, but he's got no more potential as a #2 speedy WR than Stanback does IMO. Either of these guys would make me forget Austin...

Murphy 6-3 203 (4.32 speed) at pick #101
Knox 6-0 185 (4.29 speed) at pick #117

I already have Knox in both of my mocks and Patrick Turner and Sammie Stroughter in my last one. In short, I don't have a lot of confidence in Austin or Hurd and haven't seen enough of Stanback or Travis Wilson either. Bottom line, were talking about a guy with just 18 catches folks. At the very least...I'd take the 2nd and run!

Ever seen him play in person? cause I had a tendency last year to watch him alot after the ball was snapped and I saw a guy who runs good routes and can beat the guy in front of him, unfortunately he was not given the opportunity to catch alot of balls and it got worse once williams got here.

This year he will get lots of chances. Saying a rookie would be ahead of him is silly, he has been in the program for three years and the offense for two. he is a young veteran, he is smart and explosive. he is everything we would hope to draft in two weeks. Seems like going backwards losing him and then drafting someone.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The Cowboys are reportedly preparing a game plan to ensure that they don't lose restricted free agent WR Miles Austin to the Jets.

"That’s not happening," one Cowboys source said about losing Austin. "We are going to do something." The Cowboys could sign Austin to a long-term deal or match the Jets' offer. At this point, the Jets are simply bringing Austin in for a visit and no offer has been tendered.
Source: Fort Worth Star-Telegram

Anyone else catch this?

 

[Stash]

Anyone else catch this?

Good news if you ask me.

 

[jterrell]

As I said in another thread this is win-win for Dallas.

The compensation is great if he leaves. We move a former non-entity on draft day for a r2? Wow!

And potential means you haven't done jack yet which is where Austin is at.

And forgive me expecting more than the weak arguments about T.O. or RW stealing his thunder. Last time I checked Patrick Crayton has collected about 85 passes for about 1250 yards and 7 TDs over 2 years while Austin has struggled along with 18 total catches for 350 receiving yards. Its not the big bad wolves holding Austin down it is his own injuries and lack of all-around game.

Bottom line is Dallas will do well here regardless provided they do not panic and overpay Austin.

Having back to back picks is a wonderful thing.

r2 WRs are hardly a guarantee to hit but look at some of the r2 WRs over the past 3 years:

Greg Jennings
Devin Hester
Sidney Rice
Steve Smith
Donnie Avery
Jordy Nelson
Eddie Royal
Desean Jackson

Many of these guys have far surpasses Austin in much younger careers.

All the same, worst-case if the Jets do not offer him a good enough deal and he stays we another year to see if he can break through.

 

[MONT17]

Miles is a fan favorite and will not ruffle Romos ego!

 

[Goldenrichards83]

As I said in another thread this is win-win for Dallas.

The compensation is great if he leaves. We move a former non-entity on draft day for a r2? Wow!

And potential means you haven't done jack yet which is where Austin is at.

And forgive me expecting more than the weak arguments about T.O. or RW stealing his thunder. Last time I checked Patrick Crayton has collected about 85 passes for about 1250 yards and 7 TDs over 2 years while Austin has struggled along with 18 total catches for 350 receiving yards. Its not the big bad wolves holding Austin down it is his own injuries and lack of all-around game.

Bottom line is Dallas will do well here regardless provided they do not panic and overpay Austin.

Having back to back picks is a wonderful thing.

r2 WRs are hardly a guarantee to hit but look at some of the r2 WRs over the past 3 years:

Greg Jennings
Devin Hester
Sidney Rice
Steve Smith
Donnie Avery
Jordy Nelson
Eddie Royal
Desean Jackson

Many of these guys have far surpasses Austin in much younger careers.

All the same, worst-case if the Jets do not offer him a good enough deal and he stays we another year to see if he can break through.

Awesome post especially the bolded part.

 

[jterrell]

You may be right about the consistent part but he flat out beat Crayton last year in training camp / preseason.

Had he not got hurt he was going to be the starter on opening day.

thats pure speculation....

the guy played 12 games and started 0.

he has never owned a starting spot.
when t.o. went down in 2007 we badly needed a WR and austin did next to nothing.


the t.o. can't play guys are forever talking his stats last year minus the SF game but Austin produced a full third of his yardage production in 1 game and averaged ~20 yards per game the rest of the year.

 

[Stash]

thats pure speculation....

of course it is, since Austin got hurt. BUt it doesn't take away the fact that he was having a very good preseason and making strides.

the guy played 12 games and started 0.

Given that he had Owens and Roy Williams in front of him, I won't hold that against him.

he has never owned a starting spot.
when t.o. went down in 2007 we badly needed a WR and austin did next to nothing.

He's not the same player he was in 2007. He's a much better receiver.

the t.o. can't play guys are forever talking his stats last year minus the SF game but Austin produced a full third of his yardage production in 1 game and averaged ~20 yards per game the rest of the year.

Again, how much did he play after Roy Williams came to town?

Crayton didn't get a lot of playing time down the stretch either.

I don't hold it against Austin that he didn't beat out Owens or Williams.

 

[theebs]

As I said in another thread this is win-win for Dallas.

The compensation is great if he leaves. We move a former non-entity on draft day for a r2? Wow!

And potential means you haven't done jack yet which is where Austin is at.

And forgive me expecting more than the weak arguments about T.O. or RW stealing his thunder. Last time I checked Patrick Crayton has collected about 85 passes for about 1250 yards and 7 TDs over 2 years while Austin has struggled along with 18 total catches for 350 receiving yards. Its not the big bad wolves holding Austin down it is his own injuries and lack of all-around game.

Bottom line is Dallas will do well here regardless provided they do not panic and overpay Austin.

Having back to back picks is a wonderful thing.

r2 WRs are hardly a guarantee to hit but look at some of the r2 WRs over the past 3 years:

Greg Jennings
Devin Hester
Sidney Rice
Steve Smith
Donnie Avery
Jordy Nelson
Eddie Royal
Desean Jackson

Many of these guys have far surpasses Austin in much younger careers.

All the same, worst-case if the Jets do not offer him a good enough deal and he stays we another year to see if he can break through.

Interesting analysis.

Lets see if we can figure out what is missing from austin and what was missing from crayton.


anyway.

in 2004 Patrick crayton was active and played in 8 games. Just 8. He had 12 catches for 162 yards and 1 td. ON one play alone he had 39 yards and the td against washington. IN 2005 Patrick crayton was only active and played 11 games. So far out of a possible 33 games, crayton had only played in 19. INteresting. IN 2005 Austin had 22 catches for 341 yards and 2 td.

IN 2006 as the number 3 wr crayton had 36 catches for 516 yards and 4 td's.

in 07 he played in 15 games and had 50 catches for 697 yards and 7 TD's.

It took him 4 years to become a really proficient wr and the most important element of craytons development was opportunity. As the opportunity went up so did his ability and his numbers.

IN 06 and 07 out of a possible 34 games austin was active and played in 25. He only missed 9 games. Not bad for an undrafted kid from monmouth trying to play wr behind T.O., Terry Glenn, Patrick crayton. That is better than craytons first two years.

IN 2008 austin played in 12 games and had 13 catches for 278 yards and 3 td's. He avg'd 21 yards a catch had two 40 + yards and 5 plays of 20 yards or more.

That is up from 07 where he had 5 catches and 78 yards and drew a couple of huge penalties for huge plays against GB.

Now, see what is missing in austins resume? Opportunity. It was really hampered last year when williams showed up. There were just too many guys.

Austin is a guy we have spent 3 years developing. IN that time he has been an excellent kick returner and a good special teams player. He has improved each year. If the progress continues, this will be the year Austins numbers jump up like craytons did and the year he puts it all together.


so anyway, comparing austins wr numbers to craytons do not tell the story. and when you look closer they are similar. IN 2005 crayton playing behind Terry glenn and Keyshawn johnson and suffering an ankle injury that cost him 5 games he put up, 22 catches for 341 yards and 2 TD.

In 2008 Miles austin behind owens, roy williams and patrick crayton put up 13 for 278 and 3. Seems very similar to me. Its just a matter of opportunity. Bledsoe really liked crayton and in 06 he trusted him and threw him the ball alot more, in 08 romo trusted austin more starting in mini camps and he did and will throw him the ball more.


People keep talking about austin being injured, well he has been active/healthy more than crayton over the first couple of years of his career.

 

[theebs]

thats pure speculation....

the guy played 12 games and started 0.

he has never owned a starting spot.
when t.o. went down in 2007 we badly needed a WR and austin did next to nothing.


the t.o. can't play guys are forever talking his stats last year minus the SF game but Austin produced a full third of his yardage production in 1 game and averaged ~20 yards per game the rest of the year.

LOL.

We played without owens for the second half of the carolina game where we were dominating and against washington in a freezing downpour in a meaningless game. So 1 game and 1 half of a game means austin cant play and did nothing.

Austin actually showed alot in that skins game but he didnt catch the ball, he spent the offseason working on it and came back in 08 and immediately showed how hard he worked on it and caught the ball when he was wide open, when he was in traffic and he showed how explosive he can be over the middle.

lol at him not filling in 07!!! Romo played a half and one series!! lol.

 

[Bleu Star]

What a depressing thread to come home to today.... I heard this on the way home on Sirius NFL Radio and got a little pissed. I understand the whole "get the 52nd pick, couple it together with our 51 and move up into the 20s BUT there aren't any WRs that can come right in and hit the road running the way Austin can. Not to mention, he has already proven that he can be explosive on the NFL level... Why go for an unproven rook that may not get to the level we have patiently developed Austin to when you have the fruits of our labor right here right now??? Hopefully the Jets don't offer the "poison pill" and we can match. I['m for winning now and not having to potentially wait for another 2 or 3 years of rebuilding.

Tony, Jason, MB3, etc etc... These guys aren't getting any younger. Screw the Jets...

 

[superpunk]

Austing is a homegrown player, and honestly it's players like Miles Austin that build championship teams. (Note: I'm not saying Austin is the key to a championship) I would hate to lose him. He's poised to at least be a decent player in the NFL, and I would say he at least has the potential for more. Now with that second rounder, we could get a Greg Jennings, or we could get garbage. But with Austin, we've got a guy who has shown a bit, knows our system, has played his career here, and has potential to be better than he's shown already. Romo raved about him last offseason, wanted everyone to watch out for him.

It's not the end of the world if we lose him, but man I would hate it.