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[Mr Cowboy]

But most of the time, desperation makes these guys seem better than they are. Teams reach and reach for these guys, and they pay for it for years. If you take a QB that high, you're committed to him for 4-5 years, and if he doesn't pan out, you're just throwing away seasons when you could have drafted a tremendous player elsewhere.

That applies to every position, why would you take a CB that has 0 interceptions in college and expect him to become a turnover machine in the NFL. I'm very skeptical that Bosa will be anymore than his dad was in the NFL.

But taking either would be considered desperation. No different than a QB. If one is taken at 4 he would be Romo's back up immediately and probably get significant playing time in the next year or two. You will know soon enough if he will pan out. Remember, you can't draft for need.

Now why are we in desperate need of DBs and DEs. Plenty of resources have been spent at both positions. As a team you can not continue throwing valuable resources at the same positions because your evaluations of the ones you have didn't pan out. I truly believe that the time has come to admit that with so many whiffs on DBs and DEs, its no longer the players; its time to consider that the evaluators and coaching is not developing the players.

Teams budget so many $ per position group, because they can't develop DBs and DEs they are drafting the same positions and using more $ on the same positions year after year. There are other areas these resources need to be used in. That's why we have Street, Whitehead, and Butler as our primary back ups at WR.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Every part of my gut says that none of this year's QBs will amount to anything more than Nick Foles.

I think its going to be one of those years where the best quarterback in the draft isn't even selected in the 1st round.

 

[erod]

That applies to every position, why would you take a CB that has 0 interceptions in college and expect him to become a turnover machine in the NFL. I'm very skeptical that Bosa will be anymore than his dad was in the NFL.

But taking either would be considered desperation. No different than a QB. If one is taken at 4 he would be Romo's back up immediately and probably get significant playing time in the next year or two. You will know soon enough if he will pan out. Remember, you can't draft for need.

Now why are we in desperate need of DBs and DEs. Plenty of resources have been spent at both positions. As a team you can not continue throwing valuable resources at the same positions because your evaluations of the ones you have didn't pan out. I truly believe that the time has come to admit that with so many whiffs on DBs and DEs, its no longer the players; its time to consider that the evaluators and coaching is not developing the players.

Teams budget so many $ per position group, because they can't develop DBs and DEs they are drafting the same positions and using more $ on the same positions year after year. There are other areas these resources need to be used in. That's why we have Street, Whitehead, and Butler as our primary back ups at WR.

The failure rate on quarterbacks is dramatically higher than other positions.

 

[Redball Express]

Get a king's ransom from a team desperate for a QB.

We are desperate for a QB.

I think all this fluffing about looking at LBers and DEs and CBs is just posturing.

I don't think for a minute the Cowboys staff when out to coach in that All Star game to evaluate anything but QBs and RBs.

Sure they did evals on other guys..

but not to pick them at 4.

They are going to get a top QB with this pick and then sit back and let the rest of the draft fall to them and take BPA.

At that point we go ahead and commit the effort to supporting Romo in his twilight years with the QB ready to step up and help the team much as they did with Bledsoe and Romo.

It's time.

 

[casmith07]

Decent read. Still like RGIII.

I like RGIII too. I think they're waiting on the market to settle a bit with respect to guys like RGIII. Once the first wave rush is over, then we can see what kind of offers he got, and what his realistic number will be as a backup.

Same thing with all of the other second-tier starters/potential backups available. No need to rush out and sign him immediately.

 

[casmith07]

With Moore signing back with Miami, I don't know that the cap room is there that the Cowboys would pull the trigger for RGIII. Potential although, but CB, S, and DE are still on the agenda for now.

Probably waiting on some other things to settle, as I said above. We may very well have a deal in principle, in secret, with RGIII, waiting to see what other players are going to sign (such as the DE we are pursuing) and waiting on the market to cool off before making the move as well as seeing if we need to make any other releases or restructures in order to make his deal work.

Financial housecleaning. You can't be successful long term doing what the Giants did and hand out $152M in contracts in the first three days.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think that in the NFL, the business of drafting a QB is always a move of desperation. It's because there just are not enough of them out there. At any given time, two thirds of the league are going to be playing with a very average QB or a below average QB. There maybe 10 above average to really good QBs playing, give or take a guy one way or the other.

In general, I do agree on the idea that you don't draft for need with every other position. I don't agree with it if you are in a situation where you need a QB. If you don't have one, you have to reach in order to get one and it's much easier to do that through the draft then it is in FA. JMO

 

[BigStar]

Troy Aikman post retirement...anyone? RBs, CBs, DL are had ever year. 12-4 happened once. That is the justification for passing on a QB when ours is showing signs of age and increased vulnerability to injury? If Romo stays healthy, they will have a great mentor for a season(2 @ max realistically) and make a much better back up than anyone out there. You can keep the OL together and have Dez as a primary right out of the gate. Not bad for a young QB...

 

[tyke1doe]

who wants RGIII ?


yup Jerry let the Eagles have Wentz because Romo can play another 5 years

That would be an epic blunder.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

The failure rate on quarterbacks is dramatically higher than other positions.

Not CBs in Dallas!

 

[iceman117]

They probably are just going to go with Kellen Moore as their backup and possibly draft a QB in the later roubds.

 

[JPostSam]

But you never really know if a QB is going to turn out until you actually work with them. Romo was undrafted and he's made a lot of teams wonder what the heck their scouting departments were thinking? Joe Montana, some think the greatest QB ever, was 3rd round pick.

these are exceptions that prove the rule.

and

1) romo not being drafted is the point: if a guy isn't ready and the odds of success are slim, don't use something as valuable as a 4th round pick on him. at least a back-up at another position will give you meaningful snaps.

2) montana was taken in the 3rd round of a 12-round draft. we're down to just 7 rounds now.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

these are exceptions that prove the rule.

and

1) romo not being drafted is the point: if a guy isn't ready and the odds of success are slim, don't use something as valuable as a 4th round pick on him. at least a back-up at another position will give you meaningful snaps.

2) montana was taken in the 3rd round of a 12-round draft. we're down to just 7 rounds now.

Disagree, if we take a QB with the 4th pick,he will get plenty of play time in the next 2 years. Tony won't make it through 16 games.

You can take a another CB and he will most likely become average at best, like every CB in Dallas in the past 10 years. There is not one sure fire DE in the early draft worth the first pick.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

these are exceptions that prove the rule.

and

1) romo not being drafted is the point: if a guy isn't ready and the odds of success are slim, don't use something as valuable as a 4th round pick on him. at least a back-up at another position will give you meaningful snaps.

2) montana was taken in the 3rd round of a 12-round draft. we're down to just 7 rounds now.

What player is going to guarantee we get meaningful snaps? Doesn't matter when Montana was drafted. He's not Germain to the subject. The point there was that every successful QB was not drafted in the first round.

 

[Redball Express]

Every part of my gut says that none of this year's QBs will amount to anything more than Nick Foles.

Haha..

Brother..

do like the rest of us and take 2 Pepcids and a shot of tequila and hope for the best you are wrong and we select one.

I don't mind the discussion about maybe we don't need him right now..

or about how Jones thinks Romo's mileage is going to exceed his warranty..

but what I do disagree with is going any further without a top prospect in the bullpen warming up.

I don't want a retread like RG3..

I don't want a social reject like Manziel..

I don't want a temporary patch at QB like the last string of under-achievers.

I want a guy who is capable, hungry and ready to lead his team with his identity and we all just get behind and push.

This is our chance.

I don't want any cap-saving strategy..

or any fancy trade back to look smart picking up picks which may or may not matter.

Get me THE GUY.

Garrett has been charged by Jones with taking Romo and winning a Championship..nothing less.

It's increasingly clear that with Romo..it just may not be in the cards.

So if not..an ace up our sleeves is going to be alot better than a bluff and a fold.

If Garrett thinks he has a future in Dallas..he needs to stop pushing all his chips to the center of the table with Jones and betting on Romo.

We might lose the house doing that.

 

[erod]

Haha..

Brother..

do like the rest of us and take 2 Pepcids and a shot of tequila and hope for the best you are wrong and we select one.

I don't mind the discussion about maybe we don't need him right now..

or about how Jones thinks Romo's mileage is going to exceed his warranty..

but what I do disagree with is going any further without a top prospect in the bullpen warming up.

I don't want a retread like RG3..

I don't want a social reject like Manziel..

I don't want a temporary patch at QB like the last string of under-achievers.

I want a guy who is capable, hungry and ready to lead his team with his identity and we all just get behind and push.

This is our chance.

I don't want any cap-saving strategy..

or any fancy trade back to look smart picking up picks which may or may not matter.

Get me THE GUY.

Garrett has been charged by Jones with taking Romo and winning a Championship..nothing less.

It's increasingly clear that with Romo..it just may not be in the cards.

So if not..an ace up our sleeves is going to be alot better than a bluff and a fold.

If Garrett thinks he has a future in Dallas..he needs to stop pushing all his chips to the center of the table with Jones and betting on Romo.

We might lose the house doing that.

And if none of these guys are capable......?

Odds and history says they likely aren't.

 

[jobberone]

I like RGIII too. I think they're waiting on the market to settle a bit with respect to guys like RGIII. Once the first wave rush is over, then we can see what kind of offers he got, and what his realistic number will be as a backup.

Same thing with all of the other second-tier starters/potential backups available. No need to rush out and sign him immediately.

QFT

 

[Sarge]

who wants RGIII ?


yup Jerry let the Eagles have Wentz because Romo can play another 5 years

Not me.

 

[Redball Express]

these are exceptions that prove the rule.

and

1) romo not being drafted is the point: if a guy isn't ready and the odds of success are slim, don't use something as valuable as a 4th round pick on him. at least a back-up at another position will give you meaningful snaps.

2) montana was taken in the 3rd round of a 12-round draft. we're down to just 7 rounds now.

True..

but Joe Montana had Bill Walsh and the West Coast Offense that at the time..was revolutionary.

See a Bill Walsh on our staff..?

Didn't think so.

What we have is Linehan and a former 2nd and 3rd string QB as HC who backed up Aikman 20 years ago.

There is our problem.

We need to be looking for the next Troy Aikman not the next Tony Romo.

If we wait for the next Tony Romo..it will take another 10 years and it will have to wait until Stephen takes over from his dad.

Heck, I'll be dead and gone by then.

I'd like to win now.

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

We picked a poor time to have the #4 overall pick. Needing our new franchise QB doesn't justify using the #4 pick if our evaluation of Wentz and Goff says otherwise. Speed rusher is a need but Bosa isn't the answer for that. We have put enough 1st round picks into O-Line for the time being. Not sure our system justifies a top 4 pick on a DB as tired as I am of Wilcox and Church and well, everyone else. I don't see a Warren Sapp worth a #4 pick. Using a top 4 pick on a linebacker seems iffy but that's where I am right now if they don't grade Wentz or Goff high enough. A dynamic linebacker can change your defense. He can set the tone, change the attitude and make a real on field difference.