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[Longboysfan]

Every part of my gut says that none of this year's QBs will amount to anything more than Nick Foles.

Willing to gamble on that?

That is the position the Cowboy scouting department see themselves in.

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

True..

but Joe Montana had Bill Walsh and the West Coast Offense that at the time..was revolutionary.

See a Bill Walsh on our staff..?

Didn't think so.

What we have is Linehan and a former 2nd and 3rd string QB as HC who backed up Aikman 20 years ago.

There is our problem.

We need to be looking for the next Troy Aikman not the next Tony Romo.

If we wait for the next Tony Romo..it will take another 10 years and it will have to wait until Stephen takes over from his dad.

Heck, I'll be dead and gone by then.

I'd like to win now.

In all honesty, I'd rather have the next Bill Walsh than the next Troy Aikman. That's the quickest way to success, not the next Aikman. But at this point, I'm not sure what Garrett has to do to lose his position. Other than getting his players to play hard, I just do not see what Jones is impressed by.

Jerry hasn't been able to fix this mess for 20 years. He needs to bring a football guy in from the outside and be blatantly candid with him about the operations from top to bottom. But Jerry's ego will prevent that from happening. So he will remain nose blind and not realize just how much this organization does or does not stink right now.

 

[MRV52]

Great opportunity to trade down. Should try to fleece Chippy who is desperate for a Qb and get extra picks.

 

[erod]

Willing to gamble on that?

That is the position the Cowboy scouting department see themselves in.

Here's the problem with that.

Teams were anxious to pick Jake Locker and Christian Ponder and Nick Foles and RG3 and Blaine Gabbert and so many others.

Rarely do you end up with Aaron Rodgers. Heck, rarely do you end up with Derek Carr or Ryan Tannehill. There's not an Eli Manning or Andrew Luck in this draft. Drafting out of hopeful projection of unknown quantities that had little resume in college to apply to the pro game.....

Drafting quarterbacks is the crapshootiest crapshoot in the history of crapshoots.

 

[MRV52]

Willing to gamble on that?

That is the position the Cowboy scouting department see themselves in.

None of these QB's are franchise players lets pass, this year it is a weak QB class.

 

[casmith07]

We picked a poor time to have the #4 overall pick. Needing our new franchise QB doesn't justify using the #4 pick if our evaluation of Wentz and Goff says otherwise. Speed rusher is a need but Bosa isn't the answer for that. We have put enough 1st round picks into O-Line for the time being. Not sure our system justifies a top 4 pick on a DB as tired as I am of Wilcox and Church and well, everyone else. I don't see a Warren Sapp worth a #4 pick. Using a top 4 pick on a linebacker seems iffy but that's where I am right now if they don't grade Wentz or Goff high enough. A dynamic linebacker can change your defense. He can set the tone, change the attitude and make a real on field difference.

Myles Jack can make a world of difference with his skillset.

He could literally convert to safety like Woody did out of college and end up being a potential game-changer either at Sam or at SS. He's the kind of talent that I would hate to pass on.

There will be more quarterbacks in the draft next season and the season after. I'd rather bridge our search for a franchise guy with a guy like Griffin -- he's proven that he can play at this level, he has the brains and the talent to be successful. With a consistent system and coaching staff, I think he'll flourish nicely. Even after his "terrible" seasons after Shanahan, he still has a 90+ QB rating and 63% completion percentage. You don't get those kind of numbers being a bad football player.

Nobody around here can sit around with a straight face and literally think we would've had the same season if Griffin came in to back up Romo instead of Weeden or Cassell. You just can't. And if you do, then your hate for Griffin is irrational, racial, or both.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

We picked a poor time to have the #4 overall pick. Needing our new franchise QB doesn't justify using the #4 pick if our evaluation of Wentz and Goff says otherwise. Speed rusher is a need but Bosa isn't the answer for that. We have put enough 1st round picks into O-Line for the time being. Not sure our system justifies a top 4 pick on a DB as tired as I am of Wilcox and Church and well, everyone else. I don't see a Warren Sapp worth a #4 pick. Using a top 4 pick on a linebacker seems iffy but that's where I am right now if they don't grade Wentz or Goff high enough. A dynamic linebacker can change your defense. He can set the tone, change the attitude and make a real on field difference.

So numerous scouts have said that Wentz and Goff are as good prospects that have come along, but your analysis trumps theirs? Gruden just recently said Wentz is the most NFL ready QB to come along in several years. But that doesn't fit the narrative.... What des Gruden know, he likes everyone! well guess what, the QBs coming in the pipeline will only get worse. There are not enough pro style offenses in College football to develop pro QBs. It is a dying breed. In the next few years pro QBs will come from the lower divisions, where they still run pro style offenses.

 

[Longboysfan]

None of these QB's are franchise players lets pass, this year it is a weak QB class.

I wonder if the Patriots said the same of Tom Brady all those years ago.

 

[Redball Express]

In all honesty, I'd rather have the next Bill Walsh than the next Troy Aikman. That's the quickest way to success, not the next Aikman. But at this point, I'm not sure what Garrett has to do to lose his position. Other than getting his players to play hard, I just do not see what Jones is impressed by.

Jerry hasn't been able to fix this mess for 20 years. He needs to bring a football guy in from the outside and be blatantly candid with him about the operations from top to bottom. But Jerry's ego will prevent that from happening. So he will remain nose blind and not realize just how much this organization does or does not stink right now.

well you know..

My thought has been that when Jones let Sean Payton go and didn't move him up as HC...

there was your Bill Walsh guy.

Of all the failures by this organization in the post Aikman era..

it was not doing that.

When Peyton was brought with Parcells it was clearly indicated at the time he was being groomed to take over after Parcells.

I never understood what happened to that.

I realized NO became an option for Payton and that Parcells was being retained to help sell the new stadium.

But that really cost us..still is.

Garrett has reached his coaching apex.

He was good for 8-8 seasons and one miracle 12-4 and that was it.

Last year was a complete failure with the QB position and not being prepared and having completely mis-evaluated Weeden and now several others.

This is the leadership he has.

He reminds me of Dave Campo.

A yes guy who is being asked to make do with what he has been handed and he is just not coach enough when it requires something from him to fix it.

Of course..he can't fix anything like the Romo conundrum unless Jones decides its time.

 

[pjtoadie]

So numerous scouts have said that Wentz and Goff are as good prospects that have come along, but your analysis trumps theirs? Gruden just recently said Wentz is the most NFL ready QB to come along in several years. But that doesn't fit the narrative.... What des Gruden know, he likes everyone! well guess what, the QBs coming in the pipeline will only get worse. There are not enough pro style offenses in College football to develop pro QBs. It is a dying breed. In the next few years pro QBs will come from the lower divisions, where they still run pro style offenses.

Yeah I don't get it! If people just like Ramsey or Bosa better that's one thing but to act like Wentz and Goff are complete scrubs is mind boggling! What is their agenda? I'm not saying they can't be busts but to act like they don't have a shot to be good is quite silly.

 

[jobberone]

Let's get back on topic please.

 

[yimyammer]

When Peyton was brought with Parcells it was clearly indicated at the time he was being groomed to take over after Parcells.

Where'd you hear this? Somehow I missed this story

 

[JPostSam]

Disagree, if we take a QB with the 4th pick,he will get plenty of play time in the next 2 years. Tony won't make it through 16 games.

You can take a another CB and he will most likely become average at best, like every CB in Dallas in the past 10 years. There is not one sure fire DE in the early draft worth the first pick.

i said 4th round.

 

[JPostSam]

What player is going to guarantee we get meaningful snaps? Doesn't matter when Montana was drafted. He's not Germain to the subject. The point there was that every successful QB was not drafted in the first round.

respectfully, the vast majority of QBs drafted in any round are not successful. that there are a handful of QBs drafted in late rounds (or not at all) is not proof that picking a QB in a later round is smarter than picking a player from a different position. backup QBs don't play, period. back-up safeties and linebackers and receivers do play.

anyway, if you're looking for a QB to lead your team, you don't *plan* to find a gem after the first or second round.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

respectfully, the vast majority of QBs drafted in any round are not successful. that there are a handful of QBs drafted in late rounds (or not at all) is not proof that picking a QB in a later round is smarter than picking a player from a different position. backup QBs don't play, period. back-up safeties and linebackers and receivers do play.

anyway, if you're looking for a QB to lead your team, you don't *plan* to find a gem after the first or second round.

Respectfully, if you don't have a Quarterback, then you don't have a a very good shot at winning. Regardless of where you get that Quarterback, be it round 1 or UDFA, you better have one if you want to have a chance to win a championship and there is overwhelming proof of that.

You draft back-up Safeties and Linebackers all day but they won't replace a good QB. Heck, you can take starting Defensive Players and they are not going to replace a good QB.

That's just how it is.

 

[Spectre]

E. Elliot at 4.
It's happening.
QB isn't. (thank God)
Deal with it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

E. Elliot at 4.
It's happening.
QB isn't. (thank God)
Deal with it.

I guess we'll see what they do.

 

[CCBoy]

I've always liked the prospect of signing RGIII. That stabilizes things on the level of backup. That has to be a valid statement, when compared to track record before this.

I like the idea of Morris coming in, that takes some top shelf weight off the draft as well...and both defense and offense can be addressed, with even WR sneaking into the picture.

I like casmith07's snapshot on a potential linebacker addition.

Myself, I think that the cornerback picture is already set except for targets that rise up as BPA during later rounds.

I like potentials with Buckner, as he reminds me of a youthful Bob Lilly as to characteristics with his size. But he isn't my favorite for a top pick.

For me, my top selection list is of: Ramsey, Jack, Elliott, and Treadwell.

 

[Redball Express]

Where'd you hear this? Somehow I missed this story

This was early on in the Parcells Era.

Parcells made it known he was not there for the long haul.

We assembled a staff Parcell wanted and it was infered that Sean Payton was ready if it came to pass..

that success for Dallas mean opportunity for his staff to get better jobs.

Sparano was another of those guys.

But Parcells left and so did the rest of his staff and that was that.

Enter Phillips..enter Garrett.

Now we are winding out the string with Garrett.

If the team doesn't immediately rebound..

I can easily see Jones letting Garrett go and hand it over to Linehan or Marrinnelli until Jones can decide what to do.

 

[MRV52]

I wonder if the Patriots said the same of Tom Brady all those years ago.

These guys will have average careers nothing great and nothing bad. You don't build your future with these two.