DMN: Ocho Cinco: Trade Me ASAP!!!! *Merge*

[Boysboy]

Sure would be nice to have all of those weapons...WOW!

TO/Witten are the ones that make our O click to begin with. I really don't understand now how we all of a suddent want to sign everyone.

 

[dbair1967]

Exactly, I am sick of everyone thinking we need to bring in other team's "super stars". I can understand wanting L. Fitzgerald, but thats about it. TO worked out great and I was fine with that becuase he was really the first. But now it seems like every week most of y'all are wanting to bring in someone new. You build a team through the DRAFT, trading away draft picks for past their prime super stars, no matter how good they still are, is a sure fire way to end a dynasty before it even begins.

explain how guys like Roy Williams, Chad Johnson and Anquan Boldin are "past their prime"

people keep talking about this because Jones himself keeps saying that trading a 1st for a proven veteran WR is something they'd be interested in...and it makes all sorts of sense

David

 

[Kangaroo]

LOL he will play for the Bengals they know it he knows it let him whine he is not going to miss a game check please dude will be wearing that goofy helmet this year

Players do this all the time and they report eventually because he will want to get :money::showme:

He can join Pacman and make it :jackpot:this off season

 

[Boysboy]

explain how guys like Roy Williams, Chad Johnson and Anquan Boldin are "past their prime"

people keep talking about this because Jones himself keeps saying that trading a 1st for a proven veteran WR is something they'd be interested in...and it makes all sorts of sense

David

No they're not. However-I wouldn't trade valuable draft choices(where young, frisky studs in the making could come out) for some guy who's hitting 30(or close to) and really doesn't have that much longevity left, potentially.

The Commanders did this in recent years, and they paid the price. Now the Niners are doing it, and they're continuing to go down the crapper.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Philly and Washington would be very strong candidates if the Bengals were to part ways with Chad. I doubt they would though, simply because of the cap ramifications.

The tight arse Bengals are not going to eat the cap hit. If Chad wants out, he is going to have to give some money back.

Anybody see Chad giving the Bengals $6 mill for their cap hit?

I dont.

 

[Boysboy]

The tight arse Bengals are not going to eat the cap hit. If Chad wants out, he is going to have to give some money back.

Anybody see Chad giving the Bengals $6 mill for their cap hit?

I dont.

FWIW-Reid reportedly approached the Bengals at the owners' meeting about a possible Chad-Lito trade.

 

[Beast_from_East]

..people get the idea we can just scoop these guys up who want to leave their current teams and come to Dallas.

There is a thing called the cap and the future.

A guy like this is going to want to redo his deal immediately, the trading team is going to have to eat his bonus on his current deal to do it..

and we are going to end up bringing in another $10mil WR to the roster..?

With what dinero..? And whom(s) do we not re-sign next year to do this..?

We just can't really consider this unless he decides he'll take a sort of Pacman/Tank Johnson deal to come here. And that ain't going to happen.

And what happens to the Hamlin and MBIII and Canty deals on the burner now waiting for funding..? How much do you think their deals are going to increase if they see Dallas suddenly trading for a new player(s) with a mega-deal attached to come here..?

It's going to move their asking prices up substantially...to be sure..conpounding the whole cap situation for next year.

It all has a cumulative effect if it's not managed well right now. Do fans not see that..?

The only reason #85 wants to come here is the possibility of cashing in big with Jerry Jones.

Now, if this was before we did the Flozell deal, then maybe there was cap to squeeze had he been let go to sign elsewhere.

But now..?

We have to still get MBIII and Hamlin done with their deals, Canty and his, Spears has to be decided on DTR, TO will be opening up his Brink's Truck shortly for a refill and it would be very smart if we tried to redo Ware's deal before there isn't a big enough Brink's Truck made to haul his new money away he's going to get.

Oh and let's not forget the Annual Whine from Greg Ellis to have his deal now redone after making the Pro Bowl finally. What do you think he's going to want if Ocho Cinco comes dancing into Dallas for the mini-camps sporting the latest multi-million $$ deal from Jerry Jones..?

He'll need at least $5 mil a year..watch.

Where do people think this is all coming from..?

Weird. Stop all this babbling about signing/trading these mega-salary guys that other teams don't want to pay. There is a reason these teams aren't paying them themselves.

It's because the other teams want to be able to afford the rest of 'their' teams by not overpaying or keeping these guys that want to now come to Dallas.

Don't fans have clue..? This team had gotten into problems so badly with the concept of overpaying and over-extending player contracts that we had to suffer thru a decade of being non-competitive.

Let's just quietly take our draft picks ( insanely cheap compared to trades/FA acquisitions) and just get better and younger like we have been doing for the last 2-3 years.

We can actually win without the Pacmans' and the Detroit Roy Williams' and the Cinci #85 overpriced sideshows of the NFL and stay cap capable and win for the next 3-5 years like the Pats have done.

What a concept.

:starspin RedBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

While I agree with just about everything you have said, there is one HUGE FACTOR YOU ARE FORGETTING ABOUT.

2009 IS THE LAST YEAR OF THE SALARY CAP.

The teams know this, the hard cap is going the way of the dino. Even if an agreement is reached with the players, you will see some sort of modified cap.

Why do you think there has been so many "normally conservative" teams printing money like it is going out of style? Example, the Raiders and the Jets have spent more than the GDP of most 3rd world developing countries this offseason.

Why is that?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

No they're not. However-I wouldn't trade valuable draft choices(where young, frisky studs in the making could come out) for some guy who's hitting 30(or close to) and really doesn't have that much longevity left, potentially.

The Commanders did this in recent years, and they paid the price. Now the Niners are doing it, and they're continuing to go down the crapper.

I see why you hated me being positive about getting Chad.

Young frisky studs can also be young frisky busts. Plus the time it takes to develop a young WR.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Well, I'm going to throw this out there, though I know it will not be meet with favor.

If we can not get a good trade worked out for Williams/Boldin/Johnson, I think we should consider a WR like Henderson from NO. I know that nobody is going to love the guy but I think he might bring something to the table that could help our offense.

He's very fast. Like 4.3 kind of fast, from what I understand. They can't keep him.

Maybe Tampa Bay. They currently have like 12 WRs on there roster and Chucky is probably going to draft another one. They can't keep them all. I think they just signed Bryant. They have Clayton, Ike Hilliard, Maurice Stovall and they have Joey Galloway. I can see a couple of these guys being able to help us if we traded for them.

Tennessee is the same way. They have Moulds, Justin Gage, Roydell Williams, Brandon Jones, Mike Williams and Paul Williams. I think they just cut David Givens. What the heck happened to that guy?

I think there is life after Roy, Aquan and Ocho.

The Titans receiving core is practice-squad talent. No, it was that bad last year. Vince would routinely hit them right in the hands and they would drop it.

Think Crayton against the Giants, but for every freaking game. Moulds is a shell of his former self, Gage is a bust, Roydell is fast but cant catch a dam cold. Jones sucks, Mike Williams checked in at 270 freaking pounds!!! I think he moved into the local McDonalds when Detroit cut him. I dont even know who the hell Paul Williams is, and Givens was cut after blowing his knee out. Kinda was never the same (see Glenn here).

I would take some college reciving cores over the Titans, its that bad.

 

[Boysboy]

I see why you hated me being positive about getting Chad.

Young frisky studs can also be young frisky busts. Plus the time it takes to develop a young WR.

True-with all the talk how QBs/RBs need time to learn how to read blitzes et al, the same is said for WRs. It's not just about them running good routes and getting separation, but they too have to spot if/when blitzes are coming from the opposition, so they know what spots on the field to get to.

With that being said-CJ is quite a talent, but him and TO on the same field make me nervous.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

True-with all the talk how QBs/RBs need time to learn how to read blitzes et al, the same is said for WRs. It's not just about them running good routes and getting separation, but they too have to spot if/when blitzes are coming from the opposition, so they know what spots on the field to get to.

With that being said-CJ is quite a talent, but him and TO on the same field make me nervous.

Well, QBs and WRs need time to adjust, RBs should hit the ground running and ready to play really. With this time that a WR needs, it is beneficial to at least take a look to see if there are some vets out there that can help us. As for Chad, it depends on the price to get him really.

It seems that if we get Roy or Boldin, we will have to give up a first rounder, but if we can get Chad for like a second rounder, he is definitely worth a look.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'd rather have who'syourmama.

Things are getting really messy.

We are considering or taking in all the friggin' rejects because they have talent.

Talent doesnt always win out - TEAMS win out... look at the Fracken Giants. Most certainly NOT the most talented. The Cowboys, Packers, Pats, Colts, Chargers were ALL more talented.

I cant see assembling Pacman, Ocho Cinco and whoever and realistically winning anything. I just dont see it working as a WHOLE.

 

[Boysboy]

Things are getting really messy.

We are considering or taking in all the friggin' rejects because they have talent.

Talent doesnt always win out - TEAMS win out... look at the Fracken Giants. Most certainly NOT the most talented. The Cowboys, Packers, Pats, Colts, Chargers were ALL more talented.

I cant see assembling Pacman, Ocho Cinco and whoever and realistically winning anything. I just dont see it working as a WHOLE.

But the Giants DID have PLAYERS who not only understood, but blended into the O/D schemes very effectively. Ultimately, this what matters the most.

While I didn't mind Wade playing more zone coverage than usual last year(heck-both Indy/Tampa have EXCELLED playing zone), my big gripe was that our personnel COULDN'T grasp this scheme well at all. How many times in '07 were the oppositions just picking it apart at will?

With that being said-whatever schemes Wade uses next year, I hope he has the proper personnel this time around that has a full grasp of it.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

But the Giants DID have PLAYERS who not only understood, but blended into the O/D schemes very effectively. Ultimately, this what matters the most.

While I didn't mind Wade playing more zone coverage than usual last year(heck-both Indy/Tampa have EXCELLED playing zone), my big gripe was that our personnel COULDN'T grasp this scheme well at all. How many times in '07 were the oppositions just picking it apart at will?

With that being said-whatever schemes Wade uses next year, I hope he has the proper personnel this time around that has a full grasp of it.

No. No. No.

The Giants got rid of Tiki and Shockey was OUT. They meshed.
Its that simple.

 

[Rack]

With a draft class seriously lacking in 1st round WR talent, I'd trade our 28th overall for #85. He's just turned 30, stays healthy and is productive. We could get 3-5 years out of him which would be worth it to me as we make serious Super Bowl runs for the next 3-5 years.....

If we actually needed a #1 WR, you might actually have a case.

 

[mperfection]

or my fantasy draft scenario, which was posted the other day

we get Chad and McFadden

David

Dbair,

Luv the sig with DMAC!!

 

[5mics]

If we actually needed a #1 WR, you might actually have a case.

Ah, but the chance to get a #1 WR at a relatively "cheap" price is very tempting, no?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Things are getting really messy.

We are considering or taking in all the friggin' rejects because they have talent.

Talent doesnt always win out - TEAMS win out... look at the Fracken Giants. Most certainly NOT the most talented. The Cowboys, Packers, Pats, Colts, Chargers were ALL more talented.

I cant see assembling Pacman, Ocho Cinco and whoever and realistically winning anything. I just dont see it working as a WHOLE.

how is CJ a reject he's loud over confident and loves to celebrate. That doesn't make him a reject him wanting to be traded is no different from when Kobe Bryant wanted to be traded. Players play the game to win championships CJ has done almost everything except win a championship same with TO and Randy Moss. These guys want to win they don't want to play for teams on the decline. The Bengals haven't made any moves to suggest that they have improved the team.

Brett says he wants the Packers to sign Randy Moss or else he would retire yet he isn't considered a reject. Brett Farve addicted to pain killers yet he isn't considered a reject instead he the golden boy. I don't get it I would love for CJ to come here. Not all the best players can be like LT. I guess deion was a reject because he had his own TD celebration. Did you ever consider Irvin a reject when he was hittin the crack pipes and winning champion ships (even the CJ doesn't do that). man ppl these days.....

 

[Bowltime26]

I like DaBoys4life philosophy. Everyone is making a stereotypical judgment on the players who want out of their respecting dwindling teams, and they are not taking into account that these guys NOW know how to play the agent chess game. I mean look at TO, Moss, Willis Mcgayhe, and now (insert CJ here), they found the loop hole that the NFL can not stop. CJ is a great player, not a 5 time felon, or a washed up chump. 5 say bring his *** to Dallas, drop the PacMan charity case, and make it a smart draft.

 

[jswalker1981]

how is CJ a reject he's loud over confident and loves to celebrate. That doesn't make him a reject him wanting to be traded is no different from when Kobe Bryant wanted to be traded. Players play the game to win championships CJ has done almost everything except win a championship same with TO and Randy Moss. These guys want to win they don't want to play for teams on the decline. The Bengals haven't made any moves to suggest that they have improved the team.

Brett says he wants the Packers to sign Randy Moss or else he would retire yet he isn't considered a reject. Brett Farve addicted to pain killers yet he isn't considered a reject instead he the golden boy. I don't get it I would love for CJ to come here. Not all the best players can be like LT. I guess deion was a reject because he had his own TD celebration. Did you ever consider Irvin a reject when he was hittin the crack pipes and winning champion ships (even the CJ doesn't do that). man ppl these days.....

Totally agree with you. And just look at Corey Dillon, he went through the same thing with Cincinnati.