DMN - Sources: Dallas Cowboys often tardy, undisciplined in '08

[theogt]

That the team is rife with dissension, ridiculously low fines, tardy players, late flights, poor practice routines, and petty jealousies. The paltry fines (esp Jerry's role in them) and late flights would certainly qualify as "new" news.

Actually, we knew how much the fines were before.

 

[Alexander]

Please, you're barking up the wrong tree. Did I say any of it was a lie? No, of course not.

If you're going to reply to me, don't mischaracterize my posts.

You are the person saying "just because it is reported doesn't mean it is true". You are the one implying he took a string of negatives and patched them together to create a baseless story. There is no mischaractization here.

 

[theogt]

There were also reports that he was the frontrunner but in the end didn't get the job because of salary issues. Makes sense when its all put togehter.

really though i think there are too many specifics for this to be wholly fabricated. When they have an exact number of flights delayed and specific fine amounts that just speaks to good journalism to me. I'd would be curious to see how this stacks with other teams though.

Again, no one is saying anything is fabricated.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

According to five sources (FIVE? WOW!), several offensive players lost respect for Garrett for his FAILURE to corral quarterback Tony Romo in practice. Romo, sources said, often forced throws in practice and often did not treat practice work consistently.

The quarterback's practice habits were so bad, sources said, that they affected the way he played in games and could have factored into the offense's problems.


This is where I fault the offensive coaches, namely Jason Garrett (Assistand Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator and former QB Coach and QB) and Wade Wilson (QB Coach and former QB.).

Getting outcoached on game-day by opposing defensive coordinators is one thing; getting outcoached by your own players - an worstly your own QB - in practice is quite another. Talk about coaching mediocrity!

 

[theogt]

You are the person saying "just because it is reported doesn't mean it is true". You are the one implying he took a string of negatives and patched them together to create a baseless story. There is no mischaractization here.

I didn't say it was baseless. And I didn't say it was untrue. Go bark up some other tree with this nonsense. You're just throwing up strawmen.

 

[DallasEast]

The amount of the fines were probably seen by some of the players as incentives to sleep even longer during meetings.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Being late is overrated. Industrial america's fascination on 5 minutes is silly IMO. What concerns me is Garrett and Wade being unable to control practice. it kind of jives with what went on in the playoff game with Romo waving off the punt team.

It looks to me that Romo needs to be put in his place. I don't think the coaches we have can do it.

 

[Randy White]

There were outright reports that Garrett was offered the job. I think that's "making things up."

He could have been offered the job, but at the price they wanted to pay and it could have been that they simply took away the offer when Garrett counter offer it.

Those are technicalities that unless somebody is at those meetings personally, are not going to be known.

As a matter of fact, I just remember of an almost identical example that happened with this Cowboys back in '98. After Insignificant Sideline Personel got canned and Jerrah was in the midst of a coaching search, he flew in Terry Donahue to Dallas, along with his wife. He was highly recommended by Troy Aikman. According to reports, they had an excellent " visit " and Jerrah was prepared to give him the job on the spot when Donahue counter with an offer of 3 million dollars per year or something to that effect. Jerrah, not wanting to pay any more head coaches large amount of money, withdrew the offer and both parted ways.

 

[Randy White]

Being late is overrated. .

There are several industries where being on time is crucial.

Football is not one of them, in the grand scheme of things, but it's VERY important from the standpoint of discipline. It's a very physical sport where the difference in physical talent is so minimal that the difference between a well executed play and failure could come down to even the slightest mistake such as using the wrong snap count.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are several industries where being on time is crucial.

Football is not one of them, in the grand scheme of things, but it's VERY important from the standpoint of discipline. It's a very physical sport where the difference in physical talent is so minimal that the difference between a well executed play and failure could come down to even the slightest mistake such as using the wrong snap count.

Sure there are. Like transportation and the like. Construction as well. I just think its ******** how that mindset has invaded every aspect of our lives.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Cut Romo.

HAAAAAAABAAAAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

You want to go 2-14 next year???

 

[RainMan]

Being late is overrated. Industrial america's fascination on 5 minutes is silly IMO. What concerns me is Garrett and Wade being unable to control practice. it kind of jives with what went on in the playoff game with Romo waving off the punt team.

It looks to me that Romo needs to be put in his place. I don't think the coaches we have can do it.

Being occasionally late to meetings? OK.

Causing the plane to be delayed an hour for a road game?

As the picture of the 2008 Dallas Cowboys starts to come into clearer focus, the troubles of this franchise become that much more clearer.

This isn't just about a bad play caller, a laid-back head coach, a careless quarterback, a snitch tight end and a cancerous wide receiver. It's about ALL those things combining together to form one big cluster ****.

Where do we even start to reel in all this mess? Romo was personally offended by Garrett's comments? Owens doesn't respect Garrett? Jones undermines the coaching staff?

Holy jeebus, ladies and gents! This is ridiculous.

Somewhere, Pacman --- PACMAN!!! of all people --- is laughing at our mess.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Being occasionally late to meetings? OK.

Causing the plane to be delayed an hour for a road game?

As the picture of the 2008 Dallas Cowboys starts to come into clearer focus, the troubles of this franchise become that much more clearer.

This isn't just about a bad play caller, a laid-back head coach, a careless quarterback, a snitch tight end and a cancerous wide receiver. It's about ALL those things combining together to form one big cluster ****.

Where do we even start to reel in all this mess? Romo was personally offended by Garrett's comments? Owens doesn't respect Garrett? Jones undermines the coaching staff?

Holy jeebus, ladies and gents! This is ridiculous.

Somewhere, Pacman --- PACMAN!!! of all people --- is laughing at our mess.

I am aware that in many instances time is important. What i am saying is that in this day and age time is treated as all important. It wasn't really a specific commentary to this instance.

 

[dadymat]

this is truly getting more sad by the day.......some of you can write it off as "media agenda" but the media is only wrong about 10% of the time.....and if 90% of this is true ...this is just bad

 

[RainMan]

this is truly getting more sad by the day.......some of you can write it off as "media agenda" but the media is only wrong about 10% of the time.....and if 90% of this is true ...this is just bad

Yep.

Ten years ago, I cast this stuff aside as media agendas. "You want to bash Jerry Jones for hiring a puppet coach? Well screw you! He is two years removed from giving us three Super Bowls. His way works!!"

Now, not so much. It's clear from the way we finished this season that this franchise has problems and, I'm sorry, but three or four networks/newspapers aren't just making stuff up for the hell of it. Besides, the on-the-record comments from guys like Crayton practically all but backs up these types of reports. There's far from across-the-locker-room denials of the accounts that have been reported via sources over the last two months.

This stuff is entirely believable -- and just as worrisome.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

this is truly getting more sad by the day.......some of you can write it off as "media agenda" but the media is only wrong about 10% of the time.....and if 90% of this is true ...this is just bad

45% of all statistics are made up.

Fuzzy is right 94.3% of the time.

Hostile loves 48.22% of all kickers.

Theo is wrong 2.8% of the time.

the 30 yard slant is used by 44% of the offenses in the NFL.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Being late is overrated. Industrial america's fascination on 5 minutes is silly IMO. What concerns me is Garrett and Wade being unable to control practice. it kind of jives with what went on in the playoff game with Romo waving off the punt team.

It looks to me that Romo needs to be put in his place. I don't think the coaches we have can do it.

I am sorry, but I am just not buying this crap about Romo. All of a sudden, he has became Iverson and is dogging practices???

If this is true, this is an indication of just how great Romo really is........using the logic in this article. Apparently Romo didnt give a dam about practice, was so undiciplined and careless in practice that players started questioning Garrett for allowing it.

Now considering Romo at one point was the #2 rated passer in the NFL behind Drew Brees and was voted as an alternate to the probowl.............just imagine what type of player Romo will be when he actually starts practing again!!!!!

Like I said, if this article is true that Romo dogged practice all year and still put up the numbers that made him the #2 rated passer in the league at one point and got him voted to the probowl as an alternate.........then dam, Romo is going to be freaking Montana if he ever starts practicing.

Romo is pulling an Iverson if this article is legit, "practice, we talking about practice? Not the actual game, but practice???"

 

[dadymat]

45% of all statistics are made up.

Fuzzy is right 94.3% of the time.

Hostile loves 48.22% of all kickers.

Theo is wrong 2.8% of the time.

the 30 yard slant is used by 44% of the offenses in the NFL.

whatever man ....enjoy your life in denial

every one here agrees this team is in shambles...yet some call everyone who show instances of it being in shambles unreliable sources

 

[dcfanatic]

Don't worry; they'll find a way. Why oh why did this story have to break on the same day "5countem5" was banned? He almost had me going with the "our locker room is a sea of tranquility" BS.

What? Banned you say?

But he was a great poster who always talked only about the discussion topics and his insight into such issues was genius at the very least.

 

[saphire1]

It looks to me that Romo needs to be put in his place. I don't think the coaches we have can do it.

it goes with the security of knowing you're gonna be the qb of this team no matter what - no matter how bad you are, no matter how lazy you are, you have the job. he knows no one is gonna compete with him for the job for at least the next 3-4 years. he's got it down pat.