DMN: Will McClay builds reputation

[bsheeern]

He wouldn't actually need to be that good.

And whose to say one day he can't be, but I'd prefer to let him get there at his own speed developing his own team or personnel along the way. But nothing he has done to this point in his career leads me to see Him wanting to deal with the numbers of contracts, salary caps, etc. His work has all been coaching, player & evaluating related.

 

[bsheeern]

Stephen is the cap side of the 2 headed Jones GM monster.
As long as McClay's is the last opinion Jerrah hears then I think this can/will work

I agree 100%

 

[RS12]

He'll be as good at his job as he is allowed to be.

 

[OhSnap]

The guy seems to have a good talent for finding arena league type players,(excellent for adding depth) I'd like to know more about starters he's responsible for finding. Sounds like he has a genuine talent and not just the usual experience and training to get promoted, If so he most likely hasn't peaked yet.

 

[Risen Star]

I disagree. I feel the GM is responsible for the teams fiscal abilities first & foremost. Making Trades is # 2 on that list. Anything after that comes from a guy like McShay or similar in capacity.

No GM does the grunt work or pouring through hours upon hours of film. They may decide what to do fiscally with a player. Anything else you may hear is BS and we are Told for various reasons.

There's no way I will every believe Jerry, or Stephen for that matter, sits in the draft room and picks a player based upon their own work. It's based upon what the consensus opinion is between scouting departments, coaches, etc. McClay is now the ultimate opinion of those groups combined. He in effect is the guy who says "Jerry, Stephen this is the best pick/player/move for the Dallas Cowboys".

He is the reason we have Frederick & Terrance vs just Floyd and a year long pouting match that would ensue. Between various personalities.

Well then you have a very distorted view on the position of GM. You've probably watched a fake one in Dallas for too long.

Will McClay has no decision making power in this organization. That will always be the case until he's the....wait for it....GM. I can't even wrap my brain around the idea that a sane personnel voice in Dallas is best served as an underling assistant director of personnel than an actual decision maker.

You make him the GM and he is the true architect of the team. From the coaches to the scouts to the players. Right now he's just the guy who hands the notes to frick and frack.

 

[Cowboys22]

I really don't get the hype with this guy. I'm sure he is doing a fine job but nothing he has done has produced one ounce of results on the field. When a team signs 12-15 castoffs from other teams and has to play them due to injuries or a lack of talent, it's inevitable that a couple of them will be halfway decent and make a few plays. That's pretty much all that has happened. They have brought in three times as many castoffs that have not done anything as ones that have been decent. The law of averages says you will hit on a few guys if you sign enough of them. I just don't see what's so great about anything he has done or anyone he gets credit for signing. To me, the whole lot is nothing more than average. Better than what we had? Sure, but that isn't really saying much at all. I'm not try to dog the guy at all. I'm sure he is good at what he is doing and I'm glad he is with Dallas, I just don't see what he has done or any results that warrant the current hype.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm excited to see what McClay can do on the actual draft side of things. They claim his input will carry a ton of weight.
I think he'll do well, but sifting through the bargain bins to find hidden gems (which he appears to have mastered) is not the same as determining who the best players and values are in rounds 1,2, or 3.
Again, I do have confidence in him though.

 

[BigStar]

The guy has definitely been through the ranks (AFL coach, scout for the Jags, etc.) and will credit him for Laurent Robinson and George Selvie. The fawning admiration seems a little heavy so lets wait to see how this draft turns out in terms of quality/slot chosen and trade logistics, etc. We got had by SF for dropping half way out of the first round for a 3rd when NE got better compensation. The end result was okay, so the draft room confusion or disconnect didn't harm the team as seriously as it could have.

Still doesn't explain the Esco pick and he would've also been the reason Warford wasn't on our board for some reason (scheme blah blah). It is harder to read the proper value for draft day trading as a result of the rookie cap so that may take a few seasons to full get a better understanding of proper value, etc. Interested to see what he does next week (with JJ approval of course)

 

[Alexander]

I really don't get the hype with this guy. I'm sure he is doing a fine job but nothing he has done has produced one ounce of results on the field. When a team signs 12-15 castoffs from other teams and has to play them due to injuries or a lack of talent, it's inevitable that a couple of them will be halfway decent and make a few plays. That's pretty much all that has happened. They have brought in three times as many castoffs that have not done anything as ones that have been decent. The law of averages says you will hit on a few guys if you sign enough of them. I just don't see what's so great about anything he has done or anyone he gets credit for signing. To me, the whole lot is nothing more than average. Better than what we had? Sure, but that isn't really saying much at all. I'm not try to dog the guy at all. I'm sure he is good at what he is doing and I'm glad he is with Dallas, I just don't see what he has done or any results that warrant the current hype.

I agree. There is an awful lot of hype when basically what he as done is a just a solid credible job with pro personnel lately compared to what we have had for years. And even some of those moves you could attribute to others in the organization just as much.

When you are used to substandard, even standard becomes greater than it is, I guess.

 

[snapper]

I hope he is as good as advertised for his sake as well as the Cowboys.

 

[jobberone]

Well then you have a very distorted view on the position of GM. You've probably watched a fake one in Dallas for too long.

Will McClay has no decision making power in this organization. That will always be the case until he's the....wait for it....GM. I can't even wrap my brain around the idea that a sane personnel voice in Dallas is best served as an underling assistant director of personnel than an actual decision maker.

You make him the GM and he is the true architect of the team. From the coaches to the scouts to the players. Right now he's just the guy who hands the notes to frick and frack.

That dog doesn't hunt. The organization picks the players and he's the chief architect for that. That doesn't mean Jerry can't do something stupid but it's been awhile. It's obvious to most the acquisition of players has changed and for the better.

 

[jobberone]

I agree. There is an awful lot of hype when basically what he as done is a just a solid credible job with pro personnel lately compared to what we have had for years. And even some of those moves you could attribute to others in the organization just as much.

When you are used to substandard, even standard becomes greater than it is, I guess.

I think people are more excited about the shifting winds than the actual players which has been solid not great.

 

[Alexander]

I think people are more excited about the shifting winds than the actual players which has been solid not great.

I don't happen to believe the winds have shifted.

 

[BigStar]

That dog doesn't hunt. The organization picks the players and he's the chief architect for that. That doesn't mean Jerry can't do something stupid but it's been awhile. It's obvious to most the acquisition of players has changed and for the better.

This is true relating to FAs with Carr and Livings being the only recent exceptions. Carr was pricey but understandable in my opinion. Hindsight we go DL/OL in FA and still land Claiborne who is just as capable and a much cheaper option @ this point (compared to Carr). Team was playing cards when they should have figured something out with Spencer and their problem child in Ratliff. That is on them more so than any scout who may have had great insight on who to go after on the DL/OL in FA if given the opportunity to do so. Like a circle, even if we happen to find a talent in scouting, coaching (Payton), etc. back to JJ and son to blow it up for fun (little rascals style).

 

[Vinnie2u]

He's on the Jeff Ireland path....lots of hype, some success then hired and fired somewhere else.. Hopefully with better results..

 

[scottsp]

I don't happen to believe the winds have shifted.

Ah, but they gotta sell something. Why not this?

 

[visionary]

I think some of u are missing the point

There needs to be A GUY whose full time job it is to build the team
This person needs to have experience evaluating players , have an overall vision of the team and principles of team building he believes in and he needs to be accountable for the job he has done based on results

This job cannot be parsed over to several people who answer to a person who is doing this job part time and has no context to make those decisions because then you get parts that don't fit together

 

[Alexander]

There needs to be A GUY whose full time job it is to build the team

Nonsense. You can do it by committee where nobody has any direct accountability.

 

[peplaw06]

He is the reason we have Frederick & Terrance vs just Floyd and a year long pouting match that would ensue. Between various personalities.

Where did you get that idea from?

 

[peplaw06]

It's funny how so many in this fan base are supportive of the front office as currently constituted, and at the same time, so desperate for someone to come into the franchise and be able to do the GM's work.