Do Jerry's Pet Cats and Out-dated philosophies taint Dallas Play-Calling?

[plasticman]

Perhaps the biggest boat anchor holding back the Dallas 2022 offense was this:
Ezekiel Elliott first down runs

Here's the scoop
-When Dallas ran Elliott on first down (121 times): 3.5 yard average,
-When Dallas did anything else on first down (361 times) : 5.4 yard average

We know Zeke has always been Jerry's Pet Cat. And many justifiably suspect Kellen Moore was pressured into emphasizing Zeke runs on 1st down to appease Jerry. (If you doubt that we can discuss)

I don't think Jerry intervenes in a lot of areas. Do believe he has particular fixations.

I don't think he intervenes as much. Stephen does a lot of his micromanaging for him. Either way, it's the wrong person making football related decisions. I surely wish he would pick a GM and concentrate on the money making side of the business.

 

[Whirlwin]

90% of the backs lose it by year 4. Elliott was thick hipped and lost fluidity + burst. He's wooden and slow, been so for awhile.

Some see with clear eye. Not Jerry or Mike.

They definitely believe in loyalty to the players. That’s been the downfall.

 

[CCBoy]

Perhaps the biggest boat anchor holding back the Dallas 2022 offense was this:
Ezekiel Elliott first down runs

Here's the scoop
-When Dallas ran Elliott on first down (121 times): 3.5 yard average,
-When Dallas did anything else on first down (361 times) : 5.4 yard average

We know Zeke has always been Jerry's Pet Cat. And many justifiably suspect Kellen Moore was pressured into emphasizing Zeke runs on 1st down to appease Jerry. (If you doubt that we can discuss)

I don't think Jerry intervenes in a lot of areas. Do believe he has particular fixations.

Jerry allowed the coaches and scouts determine who they sought. Stephen told them all what could be afforded and the limitations in pursuit.

Ezekiel Elliott was the paid for and functional lead cow until his bell stopped really clanging. He did score 12 relevent TD's and was a positive force come short yardage and Red Zone.
Zeke earned and deserved a good salary when it occurred. It isn't just a given at what age the parade is just called off.

Jerry is known for bending in the advantage of his carriers of the unit flag. That too is a reason why Dallas is respected among actual players. All the surroundings, including pay are respectable. Top dollar positions usually ring true come negotiations.

As an indicator...I think it is more accurate to pay attention to the linebackers to see how effective an approach is. If they are some on their heels and slow response, then the team is mixing it up better.

 

[CCBoy]

What's your point about Lamb's targets? He was the #1 pick, you think they're not going to know their job is to make Booger look good. They also had Cooper and wanted him to look like a smart move.

He was just needing a second receiver as Cook...to share the field with.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Perhaps the biggest boat anchor holding back the Dallas 2022 offense was this:
Ezekiel Elliott first down runs

Here's the scoop
-When Dallas ran Elliott on first down (121 times): 3.5 yard average,
-When Dallas did anything else on first down (361 times) : 5.4 yard average

We know Zeke has always been Jerry's Pet Cat. And many justifiably suspect Kellen Moore was pressured into emphasizing Zeke runs on 1st down to appease Jerry. (If you doubt that we can discuss)

I don't think Jerry intervenes in a lot of areas. Do believe he has particular fixations.

All we can do is thank whomever that Zeke is gone. He held back the offense and the run game for years. And with the money we paid him, its even worse to think about.

Still not sure the Cowboys have done enough at the RB position or on the Oline to have a great run game.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I mean Zeke for a 3 year period was the best running back in football. He clearly was the player that Garrett wanted to draft first in 2016. You can argue that Elliot made KM one of the top offensive coordinators in the league. I do agree the contract made the Cowboys stick with Zeke longer then they should have but the offensive line and Dak trusted Zeke more then Pollard. Even last season when it was clear Zeke was washed.

BWAAAAA!!!!! No he wasnt. He simply ran behind the #1 Oline in football. As the line has faded, so did Zeke. That rookie year made him look better than he really was.

Zeke made Kellen Moore a top OC?

Thanks for the laughs.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Never once crossed my mind that Jerry insisted on running Zeke in first down like that. If he did that’s silly and insane because it didn’t work.

I think it was honestly Kellen. I know Jerry’s reputation but he’s letting coaches coach.

All the evidence points to Jerry Jones. Hes made many comments to that end.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Never happened... Jerry has NEVER dictated who plays and how much, biggest false narrative here. NEVER proof he intervenes in anything.,sorry show me proof the OC/HC job is to devise Gameplans and call pays and adjust in games. Did jerry MAKE KM only call 16 run plays in the niner game? not use malik UMM NO WAY!!. BTW what the league average on 1st down runs need to see all 32 teams ..btw 3.5 x3 =1st down not bad for run game or power back ES22 lived off that in the 90s..He had entire years with averages at 4.0 or under, FACT

to add to that without showing he run on first downs and sell these OTHER things you talk about doesn't work, try harder to understand how playcalls set up other calls.

again, stop the nonsense with conspiracy theory's about jerry , its never ever been proven its fan made narrative..

BWAAAA!! Jerry has never meddled and demanded a coach plays certain players and makes them do things for gameplans?

Cmon, you cant be that blind?

Its 100% happened and forcing Zeke onto the coaches is absolutely what he did. Not only players, but he forces OC's on head coaches.

He forced Garrett on Wade. He forced Moore on MM. Heck he forced Garrett on everybody.

Here are some classic quotes and demands from Jerry going public with it. What do you think he is telling his guys behind closed doors?

July of 2022

"We gotta have Tony Pollard out there. No, seriously, Zeke's gotta be our feature, and he is our feature," Jones said, via NFL.com. "We can feature him in a lot of different ways. We all recognize what he does in the passing game because of his protection ability. Don't ever underestimate that especially with Zeke. Zeke takes some tolls when he's out there as a back blocking. So it's critical that we make Zeke -- because he's capable of being that -- really the focus of what we're doing. Now then, Pollard, there's plenty of room for Pollard. There's plenty of room for Pollard when Zeke's in there. Pollard needs to get the ball."

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones stressed the importance of running back Ezekiel Elliott to the team's success in 2022 on Saturday.

According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Jones said that Elliott has to be the "focus" of the Cowboys' running game this season.

Jones also expressed his belief that "there is room" for both Elliott and backup running back Tony Pollard on the field at the same time.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Jerry allowed the coaches and scouts determine who they sought. Stephen told them all what could be afforded and the limitations in pursuit.

Ezekiel Elliott was the paid for and functional lead cow until his bell stopped really clanging. He did score 12 relevent TD's and was a positive force come short yardage and Red Zone.
Zeke earned and deserved a good salary when it occurred. It isn't just a given at what age the parade is just called off.

Jerry is known for bending in the advantage of his carriers of the unit flag. That too is a reason why Dallas is respected among actual players. All the surroundings, including pay are respectable. Top dollar positions usually ring true come negotiations.

As an indicator...I think it is more accurate to pay attention to the linebackers to see how effective an approach is. If they are some on their heels and slow response, then the team is mixing it up better.

Zeke 100% did NOT deserve that extension. It was one of the bigger blunders in Jones his career resigning a vet.

Something like 7 of Zekes 12 TD's from the 1 yard line. Another 3 were from inside 5 yards. One could argue that any of 50 backs in the NFL could have gotten 12 TD's given those kind of short yardage attemps.

Personally I thought Zeke wasnt even good at short yardage. Often taking him 2 or 3 tries from the one. In some cases they started going to Dak on sneaks for the really important 4th and 1's in games because Zeke was simply not getting it done.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

All the evidence points to Jerry Jones. Hes made many comments to that end.

He said that he made sure Zeke got carries on 1st down in the 1st quarter?

 

[Big_D]

In the case of Elliott most definitely. The complete overvalue from the front office ultimately became a problem.

 

[T-RO]

Far worse.

We knew we needed to run the ball, and were grossly incompetent at doing so. One of the big reasons KMo is gone.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Dallas averaged 5.33 yards per carry when Pollard or Davis carried the ball (203 carries). That's sheer dominance.

 

[T-RO]

sorry, that doesn't strengthen your argument, over 30 years not one coach or player even suggested jerry got involved in actual gameplan or play calling. all the bad blood he allegedly has with some ex coaches and players, where's your proof..you have NONE.. he doesn't get involved bTW great you pulled pictures from 30 years ago and that's your proof LMAO sorry, it never happened never will happen.. did he overpay zeke to be our starter and expected zeke to start or play a lot, umm sure that's understood especially given this player put up better career numbers then TD and many other greats.. he was our Offense for years.. when healthy he still was relative as he started both 21/22 at nearly 5 YPC until he got hurt, hes known as one of the best short yardage guys in the nfl.. why would they use him in those situations a lot?
does it matter now? both are gone time to look ahead to 23...


now back to go get your porioof for all 32 teams runig on forst down and how they stack up to zekes and ours. all 32 show me how that so out of sync with league averages..

Jerry Jones, August 25, 2022: "We go as Zeke goes...it all starts and stops with Zeke".

What other owner declares his team's offensive focus and mandates personnel usage like this?

 

[T-RO]

Coach Jerry doubled down even after Pollard's mid-season 14 carry, 131 yard game.

Should Pollard get more focus?

“No, there’s no argument,” Jones said. “Zeke’s ability to punish, Zeke’s ability to deliver it, Zeke’s ability to what he does for us in pass protection and frankly Zeke’s ability to make big plays are there. We’re going to go as Zeke goes. I really mean he’s that integral to our success this year.”

If you are offensive coordinator and you hear your boss say that...you gotta comply. even if you know it's not the best way.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Where are all the clown haters of Kellen Moore? Like to hear from them.

I would love to know where all the "clown haters of Kellen Moore" reside as well.
I do not care to hear from them, I would just like to see them. Just seems like a very specific and elusive group of individuals.

 

[T-RO]

I would love to know where all the "clown haters of Kellen Moore" reside as well.
I do not care to hear from them, I would just like to see them. Just seems like a very specific and elusive group of individuals.

I have no interest in seeing them. Here are some of their clown comments in the past 3 months:

-"With Kellen we move down the field and settle for field goals." -- The reality is Dallas ranked #1 in TD-conversion in red zone.
-"Kellen is pass happy" --The reality is Dallas was top-10 in run-pass ratio.
-"Kellen scores too fast" -- There is statistically no relationship between time-of-possession and win/loss. Countless Super Bowl champs have been fast-score teams.
-"Kellen broke/ruined Zeke." As if it's Moore's job to give medical clearance on a player
-"Kellen's run-play design sucks." Funny how it not only didn't suck, but was in fact elite when Zeke wasn't carrying the ball

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have no interest in seeing them. Here are some of their clown comments in the past 3 months:

-"With Kellen we move down the field and settle for field goals." -- The reality is Dallas ranked #1 in TD-conversion in red zone.
-"Kellen is pass happy" --The reality is Dallas was top-10 in run-pass ratio.
-"Kellen scores too fast" -- There is statistically no relationship between time-of-possession and win/loss. Countless Super Bowl champs have been fast-score teams.
-"Kellen broke/ruined Zeke." As if it's Moore's job to give medical clearance on a player
-"Kellen's run-play design sucks." Funny how it not only didn't suck, but was in fact elite when Zeke wasn't carrying the ball

I just got done saying I did not want to HEAR them and just wanted to see them.
And you just did the opposite and posted stuff they said but did not show me what they looked like.

Dude...I already have a long term wife who does the direct opposite of what I say, I do not need another

 

[T-RO]

I just got done saying I did not want to HEAR them and just wanted to see them.
And you just did the opposite and posted stuff they said but did not show me what they looked like.

Dude...I already have a long term wife who does the direct opposite of what I say, I do not need another

Oh...and I've got a list of honey-do's for you.

 

[kskboys]

I just got done saying I did not want to HEAR them and just wanted to see them.
And you just did the opposite and posted stuff they said but did not show me what they looked like.

Dude...I already have a long term wife who does the direct opposite of what I say, I do not need another

That's like a wife's duty.

 

[cowboyed]

It's quite simple. Zeke had a very physical and brutal running style. Understandably it wore him down sooner than later just like other backs with that style of running. No need to speculatively infer ownership favoritism. Sure, they were hoping Zeke could rebound last season, particularly with the amount of money they invested in him, but this season was the appropriate end of his career as a starting running back with the Cowboys.