Do Jerry's Pet Cats and Out-dated philosophies taint Dallas Play-Calling?

[cej757]

I definitely remember back in the day when the Cowboys were playing Tennessee and Cj2k came to town. The Cowboys were trying to give Felix Jones more carries that game so they could justify picking Felix over Chris Johnson.

They've been doing this type of stuff for years.

 

[cej757]

I definitely remember back in the day when the Cowboys were playing Tennessee and Cj2k came to town. The Cowboys were trying to give Felix Jones more carries that game so they could justify picking Felix over Chris Johnson.

They've been doing this type of stuff for years.

Barber only got like 5 carries that game and I remember Felix handling the bulk of the work for the first time over Barber. I remember thinking it was funny that they waited until Cj2k came to finally make Felix the number 1 for that game.

 

[T-RO]

Barber only got like 5 carries that game and I remember Felix handling the bulk of the work for the first time over Barber. I remember thinking it was funny that they waited until Cj2k came to finally make Felix the number 1 for that game.

Do you think that was the coaches decisions or Jerry's?

 

[CowboyRoy]

He said that he made sure Zeke got carries on 1st down in the 1st quarter?

You read my direct quotes. If that isnt enough for you then you will never be convinced.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You read my direct quotes. If that isnt enough for you then you will never be convinced.

You’re known to read and see whatever you want.

 

[blueblood70]

Jerry Jones, August 25, 2022: "We go as Zeke goes...it all starts and stops with Zeke".

What other owner declares his team's offensive focus and mandates personnel usage like this?

facts he was a big part of the offense and? hes A starter that make sense when you have player who is the actual starter who has been important to the team have the support of the owner. he talks a lot , says what on his mind, doesn't make it reality that hes interfering. again, your post laid and egg from jump street, look at the other replies, exactly how was pollard going to take all 300 first down runs, who was taking the others?? again, pollard got nearly equal splits in carries, got his day and zeke has the least amount of carries , so jerry didn't get his way..i mean they shared the backfield pollard got his shot even after those statements,

zeke had to get those carries pollards 18 carry max guy and even that showed to be maybe too much given he was average at best the last 5 games and 2 injuries 3.8 ypc 51 ypg and no tds..sure give it top him more on obvious run down and run him up the middle. lmao.

light bulb come on yet? you think TP was going to take the 300 first down carries himself??LOL thats not understanding football.. BTW again show me what the league average in for first down runs for RB ILl say it again 3.5 is very good given the fact when a d sees Zeke line up on first down they knew Moore and knew the 3 runs he called for zeke 70% of the time and zeke still got a nice average, it was his job go ram it up inside and wear down the d get a nice 1st down average and then give it to TP to take it off tackle or outside. its Football 101, they have 2 different backs with 2 different skillsets and jobs to do..zeke did his so Pollard could do his.

 

[DC Cowboy]

I don’t know what happened to Elliot if I was to guess he lost his patience confidence. The only thing he had left was outstanding blocking abilities. Was he truly that beat up.

Prior to Steele's injury Zeke averaged 4.2 yards a carry. If you go w/ 3.5 that should put you in 3rd and short. This will open the play book.

 

[blueblood70]

Prior to Steele's injury Zeke averaged 4.2 yards a carry. If you go w/ 3.5 that should put you in 3rd and short. This will open the play book.

before zekes injury he was averaging 4.7 in 2022, 2021 5.0 pre-injury injury and yes OL issues it dropped. same as pollard he finished the last 5 games 3.8 YPC 51 YPG and no tds..

 

[CowboyRoy]

You’re known to read and see whatever you want.

I Posted jerrys direct quotes.

Are you telling me those quotes dont prove to you he was demanding zeke be featured?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I Posted jerrys direct quotes.

Are you telling me those quotes dont prove to you he was demanding zeke be featured?

I haven't seen the quotes maybe i'm missing it.....

 

[CowboyRoy]

I haven't seen the quotes maybe i'm missing it.....

Page 3. Highlighted in red. And they were all in 2022. So you know he was even more adamant before that.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Page 3. Highlighted in red. And they were all in 2022. So you know he was even more adamant before that.

And you think that's Jerry talking and not his coaches and scouts? Jerry just repeats whatever the hell coaches tell him lol.

 

[CowboyRoy]

And you think that's Jerry talking and not his coaches and scouts? Jerry just repeats whatever the hell coaches tell him lol.

So there is 3 possibilities here:

1. Jerry is simply releating what his coaches tell him or he hears in meetings

2. Hes talking to his coaches through the media

3. Hes repeating to the reporters exactly what he demands of his coaches.

By far 1 is the most unlikely

Jerry has been a zeke slobberer forever. You can also tell that moore was trying as hard as he could that last year to play pollard. First thing MM does as guy in control of the offense is cut zeke and make pollard the #1 back.

But you can believe whatever you like.

 

[CowboyRoy]

And you think that's Jerry talking and not his coaches and scouts? Jerry just repeats whatever the hell coaches tell him lol.

And so his coaches are the boss and they tell jerry what to say?

 

[CowboyRoy]

facts he was a big part of the offense and? hes A starter that make sense when you have player who is the actual starter who has been important to the team have the support of the owner. he talks a lot , says what on his mind, doesn't make it reality that hes interfering. again, your post laid and egg from jump street, look at the other replies, exactly how was pollard going to take all 300 first down runs, who was taking the others?? again, pollard got nearly equal splits in carries, got his day and zeke has the least amount of carries , so jerry didn't get his way..i mean they shared the backfield pollard got his shot even after those statements,

zeke had to get those carries pollards 18 carry max guy and even that showed to be maybe too much given he was average at best the last 5 games and 2 injuries 3.8 ypc 51 ypg and no tds..sure give it top him more on obvious run down and run him up the middle. lmao.

light bulb come on yet? you think TP was going to take the 300 first down carries himself??LOL thats not understanding football.. BTW again show me what the league average in for first down runs for RB ILl say it again 3.5 is very good given the fact when a d sees Zeke line up on first down they knew Moore and knew the 3 runs he called for zeke 70% of the time and zeke still got a nice average, it was his job go ram it up inside and wear down the d get a nice 1st down average and then give it to TP to take it off tackle or outside. its Football 101, they have 2 different backs with 2 different skillsets and jobs to do..zeke did his so Pollard could do his.

Zekes job is to make plays, move the ball and score. Diving up the middle is just about the only thing he could do.

 

[DandyDon52]

That's more than enough to poison the pie.

Kellen had great success even w/such silliness...Glad for him that he's now free of it.

yeah , I didnt think kellen was ready to be OC, and at times did not like the game plans, and playcalling.
But now I am curious to see how he does with herbert and the chargers, I now want to watch the chargers games.

The whole situation jones boys set up with kellen and mike made no sense from beginning.

Now I am also curious to see how mike and his new coaches do lol . play calling game plans, player utilization etc.

 

[DandyDon52]

Never happened... Jerry has NEVER dictated who plays and how much, biggest false narrative here. NEVER proof he intervenes in anything.,sorry show me proof the OC/HC job is to devise Gameplans and call pays and adjust in games. Did jerry MAKE KM only call 16 run plays in the niner game? not use malik UMM NO WAY!!. BTW what the league average on 1st down runs need to see all 32 teams ..btw 3.5 x3 =1st down not bad for run game or power back ES22 lived off that in the 90s..He had entire years with averages at 4.0 or under, FACT

to add to that without showing he run on first downs and sell these OTHER things you talk about doesn't work, try harder to understand how playcalls set up other calls.

again, stop the nonsense with conspiracy theory's about jerry , its never ever been proven its fan made narrative..

BB you cant prove it isnt true or some truth to it, and others can prove it is true.
It is all speculation and guess work.
None of us will ever have enough inside info to prove much of anything.

But some things although speculative, points to some things being true.

Jerry is a admitted control freak, and if he was to say he wanted lamb to get more targets than amari, then that is what the coaches will make happen.
The HC is obliged to give the owner what he wants, in many areas, more passing , or more running, target certain players more etc etc.
And jerry isnt the type to just let coaches do whatever they want, and not tell them what he wants.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I mean Zeke for a 3 year period was the best running back in football.

One year. 2016.

 

[T-RO]

you think TP was going to take the 300 first down carries himself??

No, I wouldn't have wanted Pollard carrying the ball 100-200 more carries last year. I would have preferred we had drafted or signed a different back than Zeke last offseason.

Sadly Zeke had a big contract and there would have been dead money. Jerry fell victim to sunk-cost fallacy. That and his irrational Zeke fixation.

 

[blueblood70]

BB you cant prove it isnt true or some truth to it, and others can prove it is true.
It is all speculation and guess work.
None of us will ever have enough inside info to prove much of anything.

But some things although speculative, points to some things being true.

Jerry is a admitted control freak, and if he was to say he wanted lamb to get more targets than amari, then that is what the coaches will make happen.
The HC is obliged to give the owner what he wants, in many areas, more passing , or more running, target certain players more etc etc.
And jerry isnt the type to just let coaches do whatever they want, and not tell them what he wants.

No none of thats true .. That's 100% speculation you can write all you want I hear the same things I've watched pretty much all sports programs on TV and while I'm driving in my truck or my car I hardly listen to music... I listen to sports stations.

I hear all the nonsense, I see all the shows, none of them have proof Jerry can say whatever he wants most of it is actually parroting coming from the coaches you have it backwards. he does probably sit in meetings, he's at practice, he's listening to the things that the coaches and the staff are saying and the fact is you're making it specific where it's more about hey we need to get our best players and our weapons more touches ,why not? that's exactly what any coaching staff would be concerned with, that's a general statement for any team and some of our coaches in the past and recently have not made that happen. they've not been very good at using every opportunity for all the weapons we have to get enough touches Jerry does not control how many passes and runs and who's getting targets I promise you that show me the proof 30 years lots of disgruntled ex-coaches employees and not one has been on any interviews in this saturated Dallas cowboy TV market has had any proof that he's ever done that and if it was it would have been the first five years post Switzer and that is not what's been happening lately.


I mean, I can see what you're trying to imply but here's the thing he's been here 30 years running this team and he's burned a few bridges with players and coaches that could have easily come out and outed Jerry and this doesn't get by the Media Trust me they camp out at the star they follow the Cowboys around TMZ probably got one special group of staff members that just followed the Dallas Cowboys somebody would have found proof of any of this ever being true over the last 30 years and as much as people want to keep saying it it's not true because it's never been proven there's no speculation it's nonsense it's something you don't like Jerry so those groups that just really hate Jerry keep pushing narratives that never were true in the first place even the narrative that he's refused to hire a GM is untrue,

Will Mcclay is the GM just because he doesn't have the title, we all know it's true Jerry has an ego issue and he likes to be in the public, he likes to say things ,he likes to hear himself talk but that's like the queen of England she's just a figurehead Jerry has 750 employees or more with the Dallas Cowboys alone he has management layers this is a giant onion like any other corporation and he has a lot of people he trusts below him and if you haven't noticed the last ten years and even more the last five things have changed Will Mcclay and a group of very experienced football people are the pseudo GM's here, he has the title but he is not the person fans keep trying to make him out to be yes he's got a big mouth and he likes to be in the media...

So what it's his team