Do not challenge pass interference calls

[aikemirv]

As much as I told my wife that the ball was not catchable and would be over turned I was shocked to find out they didn't. Have seen other challenged plays this year that was. We will see....

While the ball was un-catchable and I thought they would overturn as well, I think the contact made before the out-cut made the initial route (had there been no contact)undeterminable

At least that is all I could figure.

 

[erod]

This is not how football (or sports) work. You did exactly what I said you shouldn't do. It's poor logic. It's easy to fall into that trap, but you shouldn't do it.

There is no such thing as THE play, THE call, THE anything. It's the whole game that matters.

You are blatantly wrong.

If that easy call is made, the Saints kick a short field goal, the game is over, and the Saints are in the Super Bowl.

Period.

 

[OmerV]

If Bill O'Brien's challenge on the pass interference call was not overturned, none of them will be. That ball was 10 yards beyond a receiver running a comeback route.

Every route can be called pass interference, usually on both the defender and the receiver. It's going to be virtually impossible to reverse any of them.

This was a painfully STUPID rule change.

Garrett needs to keep his flag in his pocket on those all season.

I'm wondering if the refs felt on that play that the interference may have been what caused the receiver to cut his route short, but I agree that it looked more like it was intended to be a comeback. Of course, it certainly didn't seem the QB thought it was a comeback, and it didn't really look like throwing the ball away. It looked like he was throwing to the corner of the end zone.

 

[erod]

I'm wondering if the refs felt on that play that the interference may have been what caused the receiver to cut his route short, but I agree that it looked more like it was intended to be a comeback. Of course, it certainly didn't seem the QB thought it was a comeback, and it didn't really look like throwing the ball away. It looked like he was throwing to the corner of the end zone.

It was clearly a comeback by the receiver.

Imagine that call at a crucial time going against the Cowboys.

Officiating continues to spiral downward.

 

[OmerV]

It was clearly a comeback by the receiver.

Imagine that call at a crucial time going against the Cowboys.

Officiating continues to spiral downward.

I agree. It certainly didn't seem the receiver made an effort to fight through the contact to get deeper. I think the QB and receiver just weren't on the same page.

 

[superonyx]

In a review like this, everything is fair game and up for interpretation by the ref. A defensive PI could be changed to an offensive PI call. Or a completed pass with a questionable PI call could be changed to no PI put an incomplete pass. Anything is possible with this rule being implemented.

If this is true then the challenge the coaches have is not really a PI challenge. You could throw a flag to have the ref rule the pass was uncatchable even if a pass interference flag was never thrown? I would imagine the league would put a limit to what is actually challenged? I just can't imagine you could throw a challenge flag for a non PI call and have the ref come back with an illegal contact penalty because the DB made contact 6 yards pass the LOS.

I really have no idea but would love to know where the limit is.

I assumed that if you were challenging a flag the review would be limited to only if that penalty actually occurred. Otherwise the ref could come back with an offensive holding ect (a reach I know)

 

[Diehardblues]

The Saints were beneficiaries of bad calls too.

People need to stop thinking a game comes down to a handful of plays at the end, or just the last few minutes.

The entirety is what matters.

True , the entire game’s contents do matter setting up the final push but the closing plays or minutes of a game often determine the outcome.

Basically you play most of the game to set up the finish. Even if you control the game for 3 qtrs you often can still lose in 4qtr. The NFL is a 4th qtr game in the most part.

It’s not like Amateur football where mismatch’s all too often result in blowouts and over by halftime or 3rd qtr. Most NFL games are more evenly matched and come down to 4th qtr in games usually decided by 10 points or less.

 

[glimmerman]

While the ball was un-catchable and I thought they would overturn as well, I think the contact made before the out-cut made the initial route (had there been no contact)undeterminable

At least that is all I could figure.

I agree, the contact made it a penalty. I saw a earlier pass from Dak that should have been another one that wasn't called.

 

[jsb357]

it's an entire rule written for one specific event that occurred

unless it's very similar to the original play, it won't get reversed.

 

[glimmerman]

It was clearly a comeback by the receiver.

Imagine that call at a crucial time going against the Cowboys.

Officiating continues to spiral downward.

Bro did you see how old these refs are. A few are younger but watching them huddle up to talk about it. It looked like a old folks home out there.. Why don't they get some younger refs that likely have better vision and are faster with better reaction time. I have seen plays when a RB has broken loose and running down field and the ref is running with him.. LOL. A few on Saturday night looked like they were in there late 60's. There age don't keep the from doing the job but its a young mans game.. And this is coming from a guy pushing 50..

 

[Diehardblues]

It was clearly a comeback by the receiver.

Imagine that call at a crucial time going against the Cowboys.

Officiating continues to spiral downward.

And I’m not sure adding more Instant Replay is going to help?

With every catch or passing play and TD now up for review the officials are even less responsible for getting it right.

Interesting the league never considers adding more officials on the field? So no one is ever out of position to make the call.

Ultimately the league IMO is over officiated now as the initial intent of Instant Replay was simply to prevent calls from changing the outcome. I really don’t need every call, catch or play to be perfect.

 

[JoeKing]

If this is true then the challenge the coaches have is not really a PI challenge. You could throw a flag to have the ref rule the pass was uncatchable even if a pass interference flag was never thrown? I would imagine the league would put a limit to what is actually challenged? I just can't imagine you could throw a challenge flag for a non PI call and have the ref come back with an illegal contact penalty because the DB made contact 6 yards pass the LOS.

I really have no idea but would love to know where the limit is.

I assumed that if you were challenging a flag the review would be limited to only if that penalty actually occurred. Otherwise the ref could come back with an offensive holding ect (a reach I know)

Think about the play in the Saints/Rams playoff game that spurred this rule to come to be. There was no flag. no PI called on the field and nothing that could be done about an obvious PI that was missed. Now, a non-PI call can be challenged and the refs will review everything on that play. A Savvy coach will quickly turn this to his advantage and use this rule under the guise of reviewing a non-PI call when they actually want a completed pass to be reviewed. They can't state that's what they want reviewed because that's not what the rule is for but that is what will end up happening.

 

[superonyx]

Think about the play in the Saints/Rams playoff game that spurred this rule to come to be. There was no flag. no PI called on the field and nothing that could be done about an obvious PI that was missed. Now, a non-PI call can be challenged and the refs will review everything on that play. A Savvy coach will quickly turn this to his advantage and use this rule under the guise of reviewing a non-PI call when they actually want a completed pass to be reviewed. They can't state that's what they want reviewed because that's not what the rule is for but that is what will end up happening.

If so the league opened this up for a mess. They should limit what you are challenging to determining if contact was made that interfered with the receivers or DB ability to catch the ball. Nothing else. Seems obvious how coaches will abuse this if the refs allow them to.

Now its possible the refs will only review what I said they should. This may be why they ruled PI on the play we are talking about. This would teach the coaches to only challenge contact.

I havent been able to find anything definitive from the league on where the boundaries are for these PI challenges.

 

[Kevinicus]

You are blatantly wrong.

If that easy call is made, the Saints kick a short field goal, the game is over, and the Saints are in the Super Bowl.

Period.

I am blatantly (logically) correct.

ALL of the plays of the game go into who wins or loses, not one. You can't just pick one and say that should be changed and let's change the outcome. All the other plays before that created the situation of that play. ALL plays matter. You can't just ignore all the others ones just because they were earlier in the game.

You can't just ignore the missed penalty against the Saints a couple minutes earlier that may have led to a Rams TD and lead. You can't ignore every single other play in the game.

That's foolish and illogical.

They all matter.

The only thing you get from that play is increased knowledge of what is likely to happen if you ONLY changed that one play. It doesn't give that play more importance than all the others. It doesn't make all the other plays meaningless. It doesn't diminish the impact of other missed calls or make the impact any greater for this one.

You have to look at every game as a whole, not individual moments.

 

[kskboys]

I am blatantly (logically) correct.

ALL of the plays of the game go into who wins or loses, not one. You can't just pick one and say that should be changed and let's change the outcome. All the other plays before that created the situation of that play. ALL plays matter. You can't just ignore all the others ones just because they were earlier in the game.

You can't just ignore the missed penalty against the Saints a couple minutes earlier that may have led to a Rams TD and lead. You can't ignore every single other play in the game.

That's foolish and illogical.

They all matter.

The only thing you get from that play is increased knowledge of what is likely to happen if you ONLY changed that one play. It doesn't give that play more importance than all the others. It doesn't make all the other plays meaningless. It doesn't diminish the impact of other missed calls or make the impact any greater for this one.

You have to look at every game as a whole, not individual moments.

Why not, the refs ignored it?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kevinicus]

Why not, the refs ignored it?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They've mastered the use of the ignore feature.

 

[erod]

I am blatantly (logically) correct.

ALL of the plays of the game go into who wins or loses, not one. You can't just pick one and say that should be changed and let's change the outcome. All the other plays before that created the situation of that play. ALL plays matter. You can't just ignore all the others ones just because they were earlier in the game.

You can't just ignore the missed penalty against the Saints a couple minutes earlier that may have led to a Rams TD and lead. You can't ignore every single other play in the game.

That's foolish and illogical.

They all matter.

The only thing you get from that play is increased knowledge of what is likely to happen if you ONLY changed that one play. It doesn't give that play more importance than all the others. It doesn't make all the other plays meaningless. It doesn't diminish the impact of other missed calls or make the impact any greater for this one.

You have to look at every game as a whole, not individual moments.

And all those moments added up to a whole Saints victory.

Until the refs blatantly stole it from them.

 

[MRV52]

If Bill O'Brien's challenge on the pass interference call was not overturned, none of them will be. That ball was 10 yards beyond a receiver running a comeback route.

Every route can be called pass interference, usually on both the defender and the receiver. It's going to be virtually impossible to reverse any of them.

This was a painfully STUPID rule change.

Garrett needs to keep his flag in his pocket on those all season.

I disagree, pass interference rule has been around the CFL for years and so many calls have been reversed. I can see the same thing happening in the NFL.

 

[Kevinicus]

And all those moments added up to a whole Saints victory.

Until the refs blatantly stole it from them.

Or...all the moments before a missed call against the Rams led to a Rams victory, until the refs stole it from them...and gave it back.

Come on...logic. You can't cherry pick plays. That's the point. It doesn't work that way.

 

[kskboys]

I disagree, pass interference rule has been around the CFL for years and so many calls have been reversed. I can see the same thing happening in the NFL.

PI has become way too big in determining outcomes. Something absolutely has to be done.

Now, the repercussions. W/ review, we have a JAX/PHILLY super bowl.