Do we keep ANY of the coaches?

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The Curly One;1278193 said:
For Romo turning the ball over and the running game I completly blame the offensive line. You have to protect the Quarterback and open holes for runningback. That just is not happening here and has not since the late 1990's.

On the defense I would not be so quick to throw Henry and Glenn under the bus. I think there is more problems than that and it just may be the way Zimmer runs it.

I do not have the magic answer for the defense but on the offense the problem is the offensive line. Simple as that. Curly
Getting a better OL begins with drafting, IMO, and with ditching this superstition against drafting them in the first round. Yer right about the OL although I think we may be more solid and closer to being a good unit than you think. This porous, weak OL is a helluva lot stronger and more solid than some of our OLs of the past few years. We all know from painful experience that things could be a lot, lot worse...
 

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THUMPER;1278201 said:
Henry and Glenn were both FAs who were brought in by Parcells and Zimmer. We passed on other CBs who were available to bring those two in. Why blame the players?

The NFL is a "people replacing business"

Look, I wish they were solid players who could compete. We need these guys to play.

The facts on the field are different. They are getting "owned" and its hurting the team.
 

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THUMPER;1278201 said:
Henry and Glenn were both FAs who were brought in by Parcells and Zimmer. We passed on other CBs who were available to bring those two in. Why blame the players?
Henry and Glenn have both played great at times. I think in the NFL we see a lot of positive feedback mechanisms meaning that a positive change will create more positive changes elsewhere and a negative change will create more negative changes. So with improvements elsewhere -- coaching, OL, QB pressure, Henry and Glenn will look good again.
 

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I for one of many have seen enough of this bend & break junk.

Give me a coach that will plan to raise havoc on the QB.......attack and don't stop attacking until Monday morning.

When was the last time we've seen a blitz that worked?

When have we ever ran a run blitz?

How come we never stunt?

Why do we do little to no disguising ?

Why do we show only our base D ?

Why do we only line up in our base D and challenge the other team to beat it and they usually do?

Why did we change from 4/3 to 3/4 w/out having a DC that knew how to run it?

Why did we draft players for the 3/4 D that seem to be anything but the right players for the scheme?

Yes we need a change from top to bottom.
 

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burmafrd;1278078 said:
I have to frankly say that I cannot think of one of the coaches that we cannot upgrade.
If the new HC wants to keep some of the coaches, then it's his decision. Except for Zimmer. Fire him first.
 

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fanfromvirginia;1278215 said:
Henry and Glenn have both played great at times. I think in the NFL we see a lot of positive feedback mechanisms meaning that a positive change will create more positive changes elsewhere and a negative change will create more negative changes. So with improvements elsewhere -- coaching, OL, QB pressure, Henry and Glenn will look good again.

I personally don't have a problem with either guy although I'd move Henry to FS as soon as I could replace him at CB. My point was that they are not to blame for the way they are playing. They are what they are and what they were before coming here so blame the coaches who brought them in instead.

Glenn was never expected to be anything more than a nickle DB and he has done a decent job in that role. Henry has played very well at times but has been beaten terribly lately, but then so has Newman. Our safeties provide little to no deep help and are frequently out of position due to the scheme.
 

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THUMPER;1278229 said:
I personally don't have a problem with either guy although I'd move Henry to FS as soon as I could replace him at CB. My point was that they are not to blame for the way they are playing. They are what they are and what they were before coming here so blame the coaches who brought them in instead.

Glenn was never expected to be anything more than a nickle DB and he has done a decent job in that role. Henry has played very well at times but has been beaten terribly lately, but then so has Newman. Our safeties provide little to no deep help and are frequently out of position due to the scheme.
Gotcha now. We're on the same rough page. I imagine that, at the very least, Zimmer will be gone pretty soon into the offseason. So we've got that going for us.
 

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fanfromvirginia;1278226 said:
If the new HC wants to keep some of the coaches, then it's his decision. Except for Zimmer. Fire him first.

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eduncan22;1278103 said:
BP doesn't play on the field.

Look at the game...you'll see the problems.

Its extremely obvious.

Why do you think BP is disappointed.

- Henry and A. Glenn cant compete at Corner
- Romo turns the ball over worse than Vinni ever did.
- Something is wrong with the running game..

lookit...Parcells supposedly is huge on fundamentals...blocking, tackling, playing mistake free football...solid defense, good run game

he's been here 4 yrs, and NONE of those statements can be made about our team

its the coaching...whether one wants to admit it or now, the game has passed Parcells by...it happens to every coach at some time if they stay long enough...it happened to Lombardi...it happened to Landry, Shula and Noll...it happened to Ditka...and now, its happened to Parcells...he needs to retire

David
 

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dbair1967;1278320 said:
...whether one wants to admit it or now, the game has passed Parcells by...it happens to every coach at some time if they stay long enough...it happened to Lombardi...it happened to Landry, Shula and Noll...it happened to Ditka...and now, its happened to Parcells...he needs to retire

David

I'm not so sure it's passed him by, but it's certainly changed. NFL players aren't buying what he's selling anymore. I wonder if he'd be more succussful coaching in the college ranks where you in theory have more control of the players? Either way - I agree that he's done here.
 

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eduncan22;1278090 said:
Its not the coaches.

Stop it.

Watch the game film.

You'll see the problems.

Here's a hint...

- Henry and A. Glenn cant compete at Corner
- Romo turns the ball over worse than Vinni ever did.
- Something is wrong with the running game....
- Henry and A. Glenn cant compete at Corner
- Romo turns the ball over worse than Vinni ever did.
- Something is wrong with the running game....


Furrey said it yesterday. It's not as much the CBs as it's the safties which can be exploited. The CBS are ending up man-on-man almost every down. Teams take their shots, they will eventually hit paydirt.

Romo at least owned up to fumbling. But he's gotten lazy w/ the ball. He doesn't appear to be as focused as he did earlier in the year. (I blame Carrie Underwood hehe)

Nothing wrong with the RBs...a run game starts with the OLine. If I'm reading NFL.com's play-by-play correctly, Dallas had SIX (6) rushing attempts in the 2nd Half

3rd QTR: Jones 1 for 0yds. Barber 4 for 12yds.

4th QTR: Barber 1 for 0yds

1st half they had 30yds on 11 carries. It doesn't matter who's in there. We could have Barry Sanders and Walter Peyton and w/o that Oline to get any push, they'd have as much sucess as our RBs.
 

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EPL0c0;1278422 said:
- Henry and A. Glenn cant compete at Corner
- Romo turns the ball over worse than Vinni ever did.
- Something is wrong with the running game....


Furrey said it yesterday. It's not as much the CBs as it's the safties which can be exploited. The CBS are ending up man-on-man almost every down. Teams take their shots, they will eventually hit paydirt.

You really think so?

Check out this shot...why is A Glenn matched up against Roy Williams?

Does this make any sense to you?

The resulting play is a TD.

http://i89.***BLOCKED***/albums/k215/eduncan22/GlennGetsburned.jpg

I got news for you...A Glenn cannot cover Roy Williams.
 

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eduncan22;1278430 said:
You really think so?

Check out this shot...why is A Glenn matched up against Roy Williams?

Does this make any sense to you?

The resulting play is a TD.

http://i89.***BLOCKED***/albums/k215/eduncan22/GlennGetsburned.jpg

I got news for you...A Glenn cannot cover Roy Williams.

Newman should be locked up on the best wr period.
 

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burmafrd;1278078 said:
I have to frankly say that I cannot think of one of the coaches that we cannot upgrade.

Sparano might get a reprieve as the offense has been explosive at times.

I would suggest getting a dedicated offensive line coach so we don't get completely overwhelmed by a team like Philadelphia doing the same thing over and over again next season.
 

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eduncan22;1278143 said:
I'm sorry if you are a fan of Glenn and Henry.

The facts are on the field.

They simply can not play football and compete against NFL caliber receivers.

I'm sorry.

Lets assume you are right for a milisecond here. Who went out and got Glenn and Henry?

Yes, coaches that buy the groceries are responsible for how the groceries taste when cooked up. Either way BP loses. He gotta go.
 

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Sadly, it will be up to Bill Parcells. There's no way Jerry Jones wants to be known as the guy who fired the wonderful hall of fame coach, Bill Parcells, especially if we don't make the playoffs next year under our first year coach.

Knowing that Parcells will either come back for one more year or retire, I think JJ will leave it totally in Parcells' hands. I almost think he has to.

I'm hoping we beat SEattle and Bill retires.
 

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Hostile;1278094 said:
All 4 years of the Parcells era we have lost 3 games in the last month of the each season.

But it's not coaching...

:laugh2:

Riiiiiiiiiight.

One other factor to consider is this:

Our conditioning.

There is another constant in Dallas that has gone hand in hand with poor performance late in the seasons (going back years) and that is strength coach Joe Juraszek. Zimmer has been in Dallas 13 years, Juraszek 10 years.

People rarely consider the impact of a quality strength coach and most of the time they are not even factored in by fans because there is no portion of the team they are accountible for as their product is the entire team.

He is directly responsible for the shape these players are in late in the season and when I see players like Marcus Spears flopping around on the field turf like a beached whale, I remind myself of that. Also, the activity and speed the defense had in preseason compared to now is remarkable.

We may be healthy, but we might not be all that well conditioned.

Just a thought to ponder as the axe for the head coach is being sharpened even further.
 

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Alexander;1278634 said:
One other factor to consider is this:

Our conditioning.

There is another constant in Dallas that has gone hand in hand with poor performance late in the seasons (going back years) and that is strength coach Joe Juraszek. Zimmer has been in Dallas 13 years, Juraszek 10 years.

People rarely consider the impact of a quality strength coach and most of the time they are not even factored in by fans because there is no portion of the team they are accountible for as their product is the entire team.

He is directly responsible for the shape these players are in late in the season and when I see players like Marcus Spears flopping around on the field turf like a beached whale, I remind myself of that. Also, the activity and speed the defense had in preseason compared to now is remarkable.

We may be healthy, but we might not be all that well conditioned.

Just a thought to ponder as the axe for the head coach is being sharpened even further.


As much as I deplore agreeing w/you.......I think you express a very interesting and valid observation. :)

That would explain, at least in part , the December melt down.
 
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