Do you Still have Faith in McCarthy?

[CowboysExchange]

Not disagreeing with your premise of finally changing up Garrett's long held predictability offense.

Just that it's not an entirely new offensive concept that's been done before by far superior players at a much more impressive level of consistency than what this team could ever dream of.

I agree with you in principle, just don't think the players who are running it have the necessary talent to succeed long term.

Just my opinion

Go Cowboys

I really dont think we have a choice is all im saying. Staying the same is a LOSING IDENTITY

Look at us. Were a bargain basement shopper at safety and Te. Lol

And were gonna have to score 35 points to beat a contender. Especially when we cant run the ball. Lol.

4 wr sets is where we need to be when zeke gets shut down.
We proved it was the most unstoppable formation we had yesterday. Its not easy covering that extra weapon on offense versus a blocker lol.

Jerry has to sign off on the scheme shift but even his eyes cant deny what this Team accomplished yesterday in 4 wide mode

 

[MyFairLady]

The last time this team looked good was Dak and Zeke rookie year when we had a major purge and we were the youngest and hungriest team in the league. Red Jesus was the coach and he was just fine. Jerruh blew his wad and we have been going down hill ever since. It is as plain as day. We finally let some one walk in Murray and it worked out amazing yet we learned nothing.

 

[CowboysExchange]

OC and DC may need to go. You can't have an offense like that and not be balanced. You can't have a d-line like that and give Russell or any NFL QB time like that and expect to stop em.

Russ had time to make a sandwich and eat it. Lol.

 

[75boyz]

I agree with him 100% about big Mike. Why did he revert back to it when were thriving?

Ya know those are the first 4 wr or te'less formations this team has ever run since witten ran down the field with no helmet. Lol.

Ya have a long long history of a te dominant passing scheme. A guy that doesnt even come out to stay fresh.

All as I can say is that we took baby steps by going 4 wide. Who on Gods Green Earth woulda ever thought the Dallas Cowboys would ever run a 4 wr formation to begin with. Its never happened before. Lol. Jerry and this forum is fixed on that everydown te crap and we got 3rd stringers.

Youd think he go all in w what was working. I would have. I woulda went 4 wide all night w no run game. Lol.

Maybe Jerrys up there calling down to get schulz back in there to win it . lmao. Im not playing. He loves these tes so much he gives them blind snaps and contracts w no proven abilities. Lol

Gotcha bro. Scrolling back now and re-reading I didn't realize your entire point was in the fact that the offense was far more successful with Wilson as the 4th WR vice keeping in the traditional TE in Schultz. And then, the Cowboys went away from it in the most crucial time.
I don't think they can sustain a Warner's Rams type offense as I mentioned but I agree McCarthy/Moore should at least make 4 wides a viable formation from here on out based on the game situation and opponent.

It's all good.

Go Cowboys

 

[Redball Express]

It's too early say one way or the other. Typically I would give a new HC 1/3 of the season before harping on him. Given the situation this season, I would give him at least 8 games.

I think this season is a wash with the virus.

Big Mike deserves a full off season to get what he wants installed and have some practice instead of what he had this year.

Not sure anybody starting like we did could win.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Yes we need to give this staff 3 years. We have too many players on this team that have the garrett culture and stink all over them. I want to see what the DC can do with real players and not players that need the scheme simplified.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Given the extenuating circumstances surrounding COVID it's too soon to say whether or not McCarthy will succeed here, but it's probably not too soon to say Jerruh was sold a bill of goods on McCarthy being some born-again analytics guru.

Even then, there's too many questions we'll never know the answer to when attempting to accurately grade McCarthy. Such as, did he really want to keep Kellen Moore, or was it forced upon him?

 

[CowboysExchange]

Gotcha bro. Scrolling back now and re-reading I didn't realize your entire point was in the fact that the offense was far more successful with Wilson as the 4th WR vice keeping in the traditional TE in Schultz. And then, the Cowboys went away from it in the most crucial time.
I don't think they can sustain a Warner's Rams type offense as I mentioned but I agree McCarthy/Moore should at least make 4 wides a viable formation from here on out based on the game situation and opponent.

It's all good.

Go Cowboys

Did you see a more fluid and potent passing offense with 4 wrs?

After 6-7 years of arguing for substitution for these tes we actually finally popped our cherry and did it. Lol.

Thats why its so quiet in this forum. The proponents to the everydown te system ARE STUNNED W Laryngitis from singing all that te hype this week. Everything they've believed in for 15 years just got proven wrong. The 10 personnel shut them up. 6-7 years of how stupid 4 wr sets are and how we can get by with a scrub te core.

We cant win w a subpar receiving te playing every passing snap. We were fixing to get blown out until we went 4 wide. These tes cant pull it off but our 4 wrs can.

So now we know

I cant imagine us starting a playoff game with schultz and Bell in that 12 formation but we started witten and escobar in the playoff game w detroit so ya never know. Lol.

 

[Beaker42]

i do .

I dont have faith in kellen though , at all .. He is from the Garrett school of thought(less).

I have less faith in this staff than I would a bunch of high school coaches on the Cowboys sideline ...... in Texas, TY ere are some five high school HC’s and staffs. I’d roll with them instead of the clown show we’re seeing now. McCarthy sucks. Fassel sucks. Nolan sucks. Our DB coach sucks.

 

[MMObserver]

With no Davante Adams, the Packers put up 37 points against the Saints in the Super Dome last night with Rodgers throwing to an UDFA WR (Lazard), a 5th round pick who would be the Cowboys' 5h best WR (Valdez-Scantling), an UDFA TE (something named Robert Tonyan), a TE who caught his first NFL pass (Sternberger), and a TE who lost his athleticism 5 years ago in Jacksonville (Marcedes Lewis).

Still has to be one of the great coaching jobs of all time for Big Mac to somehow overcome the handicap of having Rodgers at QB all those years and especially to drive the Pack to 12 total wins, total, over his final two seasons in Green Bay.

You gotta think that Packer fans really miss Big Mac now that they have a head coach who had no previous coaching experience and has only gone 17-4 after taking over for a truly irreplaceable coaching legend.

PS The Cowboys will easily win an NFC East Division that has never been this bad before and then Big Mac's coaching acumen will really reveal itself in the playoffs.

 

[lukin2006]

No faith in MM. But we are stuck with him...

 

[75boyz]

With no Davante Adams, the Packers put up 37 points against the Saints in the Super Dome last night with Rodgers throwing to an UDFA WR (Lazard), a 5th round pick who would be the Cowboys' 5h best WR (Valdez-Scantling), an UDFA TE (something named Robert Tonyan), a TE who caught his first NFL pass (Sternberger), and a TE who lost his athleticism 5 years ago in Jacksonville (Marcedes Lewis).

Still has to be one of the great coaching jobs of all time for Big Mac to somehow overcome the handicap of having Rodgers at QB all those years and especially to drive the Pack to 12 total wins, total, over his final two seasons in Green Bay.

You gotta think that Packer fans really miss Big Mac now that they have a head coach who had no previous coaching experience and has only gone 17-4 after taking over for a truly irreplaceable coaching legend.

PS The Cowboys will easily win an NFC East Division that has never been this bad before and then Big Mac's coaching acumen will really reveal itself in the playoffs.

This coach, that you describe here, is the same one that I watch. It's like when did this guy turn into Lombardi/Landry/Walsh/Belicheck?

I don't get the love affair here.

As I've posted in the past, I wish you would post more.

PS. If other CZ posters respond, NO I don't like Garrett either FYI, lol


Go Cowboys

 

[CouchCoach]

He has made questionable decisions in the first two games but the real questionable decision was on a team with the #2 passing offense and a mediocre defense losing it's best pass rusher and cover corner, why take a WR? Oh, I get it, they had to, he fell to them. After falling by 16 other teams. This after giving the #1WR 20M a year.

Jury is still out on McC but there weren't any other candidates I would have preferred.

 

[HungryLion]

Given the extenuating circumstances surrounding COVID it's too soon to say whether or not McCarthy will succeed here, but it's probably not too soon to say Jerruh was sold a bill of goods on McCarthy being some born-again analytics guru.

Even then, there's too many questions we'll never know the answer to when attempting to accurately grade McCarthy. Such as, did he really want to keep Kellen Moore, or was it forced upon him?

I feel like McCarthy has been following the analytics. To be fair to him.

the issue is. Analytics only tell you the probability. The players still have to execute.


We haven’t converted any 2 pointers yet. Have been struggling on the 4th down tries, etc.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Oh, and some of the players on this t

He's a massive upgrade over what was here.

Have you watched the Giants offense this year?

Yup! Even against a hideously banged up 49ers team and defence. One built for the Dline and without their best players, the Giants managed an astounding 9 points to the 36 that San Francisco scored (who were also playing with a backup QB). Why did we have Garrett here so long?

 

[75boyz]

He has made questionable decisions in the first two games but the real questionable decision was on a team with the #2 passing offense and a mediocre defense losing it's best pass rusher and cover corner, why take a WR? Oh, I get it, they had to, he fell to them. After falling by 16 other teams. This after giving the #1WR 20M a year.

Jury is still out on McC but there weren't any other candidates I would have preferred.

Wide Receivers just have so much more sizzle appeal than a DT, safety or maybe even a CB or OT.

And sizzle is what it's all about Coach, you know that, lol

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I feel like McCarthy has been following the analytics. To be fair to him.

the issue is. Analytics only tell you the probability. The players still have to execute.


We haven’t converted any 2 pointers yet. Have been struggling on the 4th down tries, etc.

He's following them to a certain extent. If he were really fully indoctrinated in the church of analytics, we wouldn't be seeing so many first-down runs.

 

[Dorsett33]

Russ had time to make a sandwich and eat it. Lol.

Lol....that's what I was saying last night

 

[CowboysExchange]

He has made questionable decisions in the first two games but the real questionable decision was on a team with the #2 passing offense and a mediocre defense losing it's best pass rusher and cover corner, why take a WR? Oh, I get it, they had to, he fell to them. After falling by 16 other teams. This after giving the #1WR 20M a year.

Jury is still out on McC but there weren't any other candidates I would have preferred.

Three games in and we are running a spread offense and hung with a superbowl contender on a snakebit day with two missed extra points and 2 turnovers.

Yall talking about stats and yards and not wins and losses. An 8-8 team doesnt have the best offense if it cant beat a .500 team on the schedule. When has a top offense had the worst red zone offense in the same sentence. lmao

I thought we needed a wr as a returner or a te. It would take 3-4 years to develop a te here. Thats why i liked the Ceedee pick. I thought our passing game was horrible last year. It couldnt beat nobody when it mattered.

As far as Big Mike is concerned hes not gonna change this 3rd string everydown te passing offense that has plagued this franchise in an overnight fashion but those 4 wrs are gonna give defenses fits. Not just the Giants and skins. Lol

If he scales back the tes on passing downs i think the talent on offense can compete at the playoff level. And overshadow some of the puppetness. Hes 10 fold a better coach than Garrett.
How much better is dependent on whether he scraps all that 3rd string te overinvolvement. Yall gotta admit those 4 wr sets were unstoppable

 

[CATCH17]

I never wanted to hire him but it's way too early to know how he will do here.

I don't believe in giving him a year or whatever. I think we should know pretty soon what type of coach he is going to be here.


I think this is a November team. Let's take a peek at how we look against the Steelers in a few weeks and then we'll really find out all we need to know by late November / December.

If the team is still sloppy and he is making bonehead decisions then my questions about him will be answered.


Great coaches figure it out. Parcells didn't need a long time to make Dallas legit again. It took him 1 offseason to get us in the playoffs.