Do you think the Dallas Cowboys could beat Jacksonville Jaguars?

[Hostile]

Again, I MUST missing something here, because I fail to see how Hos arguement has any merit what. So. Ever.

Lonely isn't it?

 

[Hostile]

Precisely my point Einstein... none of em.

When logic does a fly by, it cracks me up.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Hey BDC... Enjoying the show?

Yes, but it would have been better with a bowl of that TO popcorn.

 

[DallasEast]

You would be shocked

After reading the way you spin things? I sincerely doubt that 'shocked' would be the best description.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

After reading the way you spin things? I sincerely doubt that 'shocked' would be the best description.

Now thats funny.

HH, learn some humility. Its not a pride thing, its being real with who you are. You have the potential to be a great poster, from time to time you make me question if you made the post or someone else. Lead..dont follow and dont be blinded. I can make a case right now for why any of the 32 NFL teams wont win the SB.

Everyone makes mistakes, in the long run (in this situation), who cares ?

Now work on some of the other guys who blindly follow that you can actually impact. You know who I am talking about, most likely however, they dont.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Dallas will be able to compete with any team out there. Jacksonville is a good team but far from a great one. I expect this to be a tough game but I do think Dallas has the personel both on offense and defense to beat any team out there.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Precisely my point Einstein... none of em.

So is your arguement that we have no players and coaches from the 2004 team on this years squad?

 

[Hostile]

So is your arguement that we have no players and coaches from the 2004 team on this years squad?

Actually, that wasn't what he said at all.

 

[The30YardSlant]

They have about the same effects on this team as Quincy Carter and Vinny Testaverde... who were the QBs when we lost many of those openers you referenced to support your point.

I'm going to guess that he was not soley referring to Quincy and Vinny T to make his point, because not only were they only one player on those respective teams, but neither player was soley responsible for our opening day losses.

Now, I can only assume from that (again, assumption, very bad thing around these parts) that he was reffering to his apparent thought that, just like those teams from the 70s, 80s, and 90s, Parcell's last 3 teams have none of the same players and coaches as this years team, which is simply false

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

On another thread I stated after reading it I wanted to pop in Ozzy's Suicide Solution.

After reading this one I think I will buy a group visit to get high pressure colonics.

 

[peplaw06]

I'm going to guess that he was not soley referring to Quincy and Vinny T to make his point, because not only were they only one player on those respective teams, but neither player was soley responsible for our opening day losses.

Now, I can only assume from that (again, assumption, very bad thing around these parts) that he was reffering to his apparent thought that, just like those teams from the 70s, 80s, and 90s, Parcell's last 3 teams have none of the same players and coaches as this years team, which is simply false

No you're right. VT and QC weren't solely responsible for our opening day losses for 5 years. I merely didn't have the time or the interest to look up every guy that was on those teams that isn't here now.

The point is that you're basing this year's team on a bunch of guys that are no longer on the team. The comparison with last year's team is the closest in terms of guys on the roster. There's no reason to put forth your records from a past era and refuse to acknowledge that historically we are a good team on opening day. Both of the stats represent teams that had players, coaches, etc. that are no longer with the teams. The varying degrees of people no longer with the team is irrelevant. They're all different teams.

 

[The30YardSlant]

No you're right. VT and QC weren't solely responsible for our opening day losses for 5 years. I merely didn't have the time or the interest to look up every guy that was on those teams that isn't here now.

The point is that you're basing this year's team on a bunch of guys that are no longer on the team. The comparison with last year's team is the closest in terms of guys on the roster. There's no reason to put forth your records from a past era and refuse to acknowledge that historically we are a good team on opening day. Both of the stats represent teams that had players, coaches, etc. that are no longer with the teams. The varying degrees of people no longer with the team is irrelevant. They're all different teams.

Not true. Almost every coach and many of the players are the same as the 2003 and 2004 teams that got tagged by Atlanta and Minnesota

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Dallas could beat them, but lately (sans last year) they haven't been a very strong opening day team.

Plus, I think Jacksonville matches up pretty well against them as they are huge in the trenches, especially on the interior which is a weakpoint/question mark for us right now.

Jax has to worry about passing against us given their receiver situation. Ware vs. Barnes will be an intriguing matchup, but so will Matt Jones vs. Newman as while Newman was outright awesome last year, I don't feel 100% comfortable with him on very tall receivers that have solid speed.

To me, I'm guessing it will come down to how effective Jax can run the ball. If they can't punish Dallas with the running game, then they'll most likely be much less effective passing the ball. On the flip side, if Kosier/Johnson/Rivera can hold their own against Stroud and Henderson, we should be able to contain the pass rush and I'll take Witten/Fasano/Owens/Glenn/Crayton over their LB's and secondary.


Rich..........

 

[The30YardSlant]

Dallas could beat them, but lately (sans last year) they haven't been a very strong opening day team.

We finally have a winner. It took 130+ posts, but someone finally gets it

 

[peplaw06]

Not true. Almost every coach and many of the players are the same as the 2003 and 2004 teams that got tagged by Atlanta and Minnesota

"Almost every coach" huh?? Let's see, Payton's gone, Carthon's gone, Payton took our LB coach to NO. Palmer's new, Pasqualoni's new. As far as I can tell Zimmer and BP are the only ones. I don't know how long Haley and DeHaven have been here though.

And how many is "many players?" I bet I can find more players on the roster now that WEREN'T on the roster in 2003 then you can find that WERE here. Just don't have the time. And I never said "every player is gone." I'm saying there are a lot of guys who aren't here. Every point you've tried to make has set completely arbitrary boundaries. ("Arbitrary" means you have no specific reason for looking to 2001-2004 and not looking to other eras.) Once again one of your blanket statements gets blown out of the water. I don't know why I'm bothering now. If you can't see it by now, you're not going to.

 

[peplaw06]

We finally have a winner. It took 130+ posts, but someone finally gets it

Maybe it's because he said this:

lately (sans last year) they haven't been a very strong opening day team.

And not this:

Not to mention the fact that, save last season, we don't tend to fair well in road openers

See the difference?? No?? Why am I not surprised?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Maybe it's because he said this:


And not this:


See the difference?? No?? Why am I not surprised?

Yet another poster proves that assuming is a terrible, terrible thing

 

[Hostile]

Maybe it's because he said this:


And not this:


See the difference?? No?? Why am I not surprised?

Exactly.

Why else would I jump on that one point?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Exactly.

Why else would I jump on that one point?

Because you lack a great degree of common sense?

Seriously, I KNOW you are smarter than that. You wanted a reason to jump down my throat, and you found it in a grammatical technicality

 

[WoodysGirl]

Yet another poster proves that assuming is a terrible, terrible thing

Exactly, which is why you shouldn't assume that others on this board can understand your twisted logic, sometimes. You have to say what you mean and not assume others can read your mind thru your IP addy.

If you had stated that clearly from the very beginning, you wouldn't have gotten toasted so much.