Do you trust Orton?

[birdwells1]

I feel like some of you are either overestimating Romo, underestimating Orten, or probably a bit of both.

Its not like we're going from Montana to Drew Henson here. Orten has been a good quarterback in this league. A guy who can drive the bus and get down the field by simply taking what the defense gives him. Honestly, there are times when i would prefer a guy like that to what Tony tries to do sometimes. With the talent we have on offense, if we have a good OL, Orten could come in and win games for us no doubt in my mind.

A 39 year old Jon Kitna did it two years ago with an even worse Oline then we have now, so I see no reason Orton can't now.

These two quotes reflect my feelings on the topic.

 

[birdwells1]

Yay. Exciting news.

What kind of comeback is this to someone that blew your numbers out the water?:laugh2:

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

What kind of comeback is this to someone that blew your numbers out the water?:laugh2:

16 tds, 12 ints. And he was sacked 21 times in those 10 games. THE TEAM went 5-5. AWESOME. You BLEW my numbers ouf the water! :laugh2:

 

[RoyTheHammer]

16 tds, 12 ints. And he was sacked 21 times in those 10 games. THE TEAM went 5-5. AWESOME. You BLEW my numbers ouf the water!

So we did just as well with Kitna, as we did with Romo last year. Point made.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

So we did just as well with Kitna, as we did with Romo last year. Point made.

I just rechecked the 2010 schedule, and Kitna went 4-6. My point was the sacks. Can our OL protect Orton. Romo was sacked 7 times in the 5 games he played (McGee played 1 game). Kitna 21 times in 10 game.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I just rechecked the 2010 schedule, and Kitna went 4-6. My point was the sacks. Can our OL protect Orton. Romo was sacked 7 times in the 5 games he played (McGee played 1 game). Kitna 21 times in 10 game.

Actually, if you want to get technical about it, we went 1-4 with Romo (the last loss was when Romo got hurt and Kitna stepped in) and 4-4 with Kitna (the game against Arizona Kitna got hurt and McGee stepped in.

So, really, either way.. we did just as well with Kitna as we did with Romo last year. How many times was Romo sacked last season? Almost 40 times if i remember correctly. If our OL struggles like that this year, as i said before, its not going to matter if Romo is in or Orten.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Actually, if you want to get technical about it, we went 1-4 with Romo (the last loss was when Romo got hurt and Kitna stepped in) and 4-4 with Kitna (the game against Arizona Kitna got hurt and McGee stepped in.

So, really, either way.. we did just as well with Kitna as we did with Romo last year. How many times was Romo sacked last season? Almost 40 times if i remember correctly. If our OL struggles like that this year, as i said before, its not going to matter if Romo is in or Orten.

And it is known Kitna had a pretty strong arm, while Orton's deep ball isn't as good. Yes, if our running game is fully improved, that will no doubt help whoever is playing QB.

 

[Blast From The Past]

Orton is a backup for a reason but he does have a good live arm. This is no Brad Johnson. I dont think the gameplan would have to be altered too much with him at the helm...

Orton could be a starter in the NFL if he so chose to be. He came to Dallas as a backup for his own personal reasons.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

And it is known Kitna had a pretty strong arm, while Orton's deep ball isn't as good. Yes, if our running game is fully improved, that will no doubt help whoever is playing QB.

I don't know.. to hear most of the fans here tell it, the reason we struggled with Kitna was because he couldn't throw the ball downfield.


(Yes, i know that's baloney.. but that was the impression that most of the members here got for some reason..)

I think Orten has just as strong an arm as Tony though.. i don't see it being a problem. I remember reading just the other day that he missed on a couple throws in that particular OTA session, but he also threw a perfect 64 yard pass downfield that connected.

I don't know why, but it honestly seems to me that you're just reaching for reasons not to like Orten.

 

[KJJ]

Orton could be a starter in the NFL if he so chose to be. He came to Dallas as a backup for his own personal reasons.

What personal reasons would a 30 year old QB choose to be a backup if there's a starting opportunity out there? Orton chose the Cowboys because no team wanted him as their starter. His last stop before Dallas was KC and he was sent packing before Brady Quinn and Matt Cassel.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

What personal reasons would a 30 year old QB choose to be a backup if there's a starting opportunity out there? Orton chose the Cowboys because no team wanted him as their starter. His last stop before Dallas was KC and he was sent packing before Brady Quinn and Matt Cassel.

Whether he wanted to be here or not, we CLEARLY wanted him here.. and im glad we have him. He could definitely start for some teams right now.

 

[KJJ]

I don't know.. to hear most of the fans here tell it, the reason we struggled with Kitna was because he couldn't throw the ball downfield.

I thought Kitna did a pretty darn good job in the 10 starts he had in 2010 considering he took over a struggling team that was 1-5 under Romo. Kitna went 4-6 on a team that Wade had lost well before the debacle in GB. The Cowboys were a wreck and Kitna showed some good leadership stuck in a bad situation. In his 10 starts he completed 65.7% of his passes and displayed some surprising mobility rushing for 147 yards averaging 4.7 yards a carry. He had 3 games over 300 yards and games with passer ratings of 124.1, 129.7 and 110.8.

Even in the drubbing the Cowboys took vs GB in a game the team completely quit in he kept plugging away completing over 63% of his passes. He was a fiery competitor who had no problem getting in the face of a player who wasn't performing. Kitna had better chemistry with Dez than Romo had prior to Romo's injury. Dez's only 100 yard game his rookie season came with Kitna. Jon Kitna was a better QB than Kyle Orton in my opinion.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I thought Kitna did a pretty darn good job in the 10 starts he had in 2010 considering he took over a struggling team that was 1-5 under Romo. Kitna went 4-6 on a team that Wade had lost well before the debacle in GB. The Cowboys were a wreck and Kitna showed some good leadership stuck in a bad situation. In his 10 starts he completed 65.7% of his passes and displayed some surprising mobility rushing for 147 yards averaging 4.7 yards a carry. He had 3 games over 300 yards and games with passer ratings of 124.1, 129.7 and 110.8.

Even in the drubbing the Cowboys took vs GB in a game the team completely quit in he kept plugging away completing over 63% of his passes. He was a fiery competitor who had no problem getting in the face of a player who wasn't performing. Kitna had better chemistry with Dez than Romo had prior to Romo's injury. Dez's only 100 yard game his rookie season came with Kitna. Jon Kitna was a better QB than Kyle Orton in my opinion.

Kitna certainly played well, i agree.. and i would say he went 4-4 if you don't count half games against him. I'd say he looked to have better chemistry with a number of our offensive skill players. However, he did what he did with alot of talent around him, which is why, stepping in on a team with arguably even more offensive talent now, i think Orten would do just as well, and probably better.

 

[KJJ]

Whether he wanted to be here or not, we CLEARLY wanted him here.. and im glad we have him. He could definitely start for some teams right now.

We CLEARLY wanted him but if another team CLEARLY wanted him as their "starter" he would have signed with them. Even on the teams that are currently having QB issues he would have to "compete" for the job and if he ended up the starter that team would be looking to replace him in 2014 because he's a bus driver. Orton is a QB who Chicago coughed up him AND two #1 picks for Cutler. Orton is a QB who got benched in favor of Tim Tebow and was sent packing from KC a team that was having serious QB issues. I'm not saying Orton is a bad QB but he's not very good either. He's had some moments but a QB has to be consistent and be able to produce on a regular basis.

His arm isn't very strong and he's an immobile un-athletic QB who this team would be in a real bind with behind the OL we saw last season and the lack of running game the Cowboys had. Even as elusive and athletic as Romo is he tied a career high with 36 sacks last season. Romo has been sacked 72 times the past 2 seasons. If Kyle Orton is forced into action in 2013 for an extended period we better hope the Cowboys have a MUCH improved OL than we've seen the past 3 seasons and at least the resemblance of a running game.

Orton is a bus driving game manager that's why the Cowboys are his 4th team since 08. He has no chance of success on a team that has a crap OL, no running game and an in opportunistic defense. Everyone says that Romo needs some help well Kyle Orton would need a lot of help and he won't get much if we continue seeing the same Cowboy team we've been seeing the past 3 seasons. With the type of QB Kyle Orton is he isn't going to thrive in a pass happy league where QB's have to win games that's why he's been bouncing around the league and settled for a backup job in Dallas.

 

[KJJ]

Kitna certainly played well, i agree.. and i would say he went 4-4 if you don't count half games against him. I'd say he looked to have better chemistry with a number of our offensive skill players. However, he did what he did with alot of talent around him, which is why, stepping in on a team with arguably even more offensive talent now, i think Orten would do just as well, and probably better.

Kitna did what he did on a team that was 1-5 with Romo and ended up firing their head coach at mid season. After the GB debacle even a humbled Jerry started questioning the talent on the team saying he may have overrated it. The Cowboys have some talent but until the coaching improves things aren't going to change and an average QB like Kyle Orton who's capable of managing a game isn't going to even be able to do that well with disorganization all around him. The Cowboys haven't even figured out who's going to call plays yet.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Kitna did what he did on a team that was 1-5 with Romo and ended up firing their head coach at mid season. After the GB debacle even a humbled Jerry started questioning the talent on the team saying he may have overrated it. The Cowboys have some talent but until the coaching improves things aren't going to change and an average QB like Kyle Orton who's capable of managing a game isn't going to even be able to do that well with disorganization all around him. The Cowboys haven't even figured out who's going to call plays yet.

I understand your stance, but again.. i think Orten would do just fine if he gets thrown in this year, as long as our OL is decent. For the type of QB he is, this is almost the perfect situation for him.

Also, who says the Cowboys haven't figured out who's going to call plays yet?

 

[KJJ]

I understand your stance, but again.. i think Orten would do just fine if he gets thrown in this year, as long as our OL is decent. For the type of QB he is, this is almost the perfect situation for him.

Also, who says the Cowboys haven't figured out who's going to call plays yet?

Yeah he might do fine IF our OL is decent and he has a running game to lean on but if the OL is like what we've seen the past few seasons it's going to be hard to watch. That's the point I'm trying to make. If Romo took 36 sacks the past 2 seasons Orton might approach 50 if the OL isn't improved. As for who's going to call the plays as of May 11th Garrett said no decision had been made click the link. As of today I still haven't heard anything concrete on who's going to call the plays. If the team has already decided who's going to call plays why not just announce it? Everyone is assuming Callahan is going to call the plays but it's become obvious there's an ego thing going in here that's keeping everyones lips sealed.

Jerry built up Garrett as some offensive genius when he hired him as head coach and now is acting like taking away his play calling duties was always the plan so Garrett could oversee the team better. Garrett looked embarrassed addressing the media a few months ago when he was repeatedly questioned on who's going to call the plays in 2013. Jerry knows it's not going to look good stripping Garrett of his play calling duties he's already been undermining him as a head coach.

Garrett knows if he is stripped of his play calling duties it's just going to make him look weaker as a head coach in the eyes of his players, the fans and the media. He'll be reduced to a stand around head coach so hopefully he's been practicing clapping his hands and working on some motivational techniques he can display while standing on the sidelines not being able to hide his stoic face behind a play sheet.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/11/jason-garrett-says-no-decision-made-on-play-caller/

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yeah he might do fine IF our OL is decent and he has a running game to lean on but if the OL is like what we've seen the past few seasons it's going to be hard to watch. That's the point I'm trying to make. If Romo took 36 sacks the past 2 seasons Orton might approach 50 if the OL isn't improved. As for who's going to call the plays as of May 11th Garrett said no decision had been made click the link. As of today I still haven't heard anything concrete on who's going to call the plays. If the team has already decided who's going to call plays why not just announce it? Everyone is assuming Callahan is going to call the plays but it's become obvious there's an ego thing going in here that's keeping everyones lips sealed.

Jerry built up Garrett as some offensive genius when he hired him as head coach and now is acting like taking away his play calling duties was always the plan so Garrett could oversee the team better. Garrett looked embarrassed addressing the media a few months ago when he was repeatedly questioned on who's going to call the plays in 2013. Jerry knows it's not going to look good stripping Garrett of his play calling duties he's already been undermining him as a head coach.

Garrett knows if he is stripped of his play calling duties it's just going to make him look weaker as a head coach in the eyes of his players, the fans and the media. He'll be reduced to a stand around head coach so hopefully he's been practicing clapping his hands and working on some motivational techniques he can display while standing on the sidelines not being able to hide his stoic face behind a play sheet.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/11/jason-garrett-says-no-decision-made-on-play-caller/

The point that some people don't seem to be getting, is that if we don't have a decent OL this year, this thread is completely pointless because we're gonna have alot more problems than worrying about how Orton will do if Romo goes down. If the OL isn't substaintially better, we better start a thread about how Romo is going to do again this year, because like you said.. its gonna be tough to watch.

Also, not only is that article from almost a month ago.. but i also don't subscribe to the theory that JG is completely honest and up front about everything that's going on with the team all the time.

 

[KJJ]

The point that some people don't seem to be getting, is that if we don't have a decent OL this year, this thread is completely pointless because we're gonna have alot more problems than worrying about how Orton will do if Romo goes down. If the OL isn't substaintially better, we better start a thread about how Romo is going to do again this year, because like you said.. its gonna be tough to watch.

Also, not only is that article from almost a month ago.. but i also don't subscribe to the theory that JG is completely honest and up front about everything that's going on with the team all the time.

I pointed out the article was from May 11th that was the last time I've read or heard Garrett or Jerry comment that no decision has been made on who's going to call the plays. Garrett isn't honest or upfront about anything he repeats the same things over and over and OVER. He has a script he's been repeating ever since he took over as head coach. The guy sounds like a broken record. Being candid and upfront isn't his MO. His interviews have become so predictable after about 2 minutes I click them off. Ask him about ANY player and he'll tell you they love football, they're passionate about the game and they do things the right way.

If a decision on who's going to call the plays has been decided it would have been announced. We're almost in June and not having a decisive answer on who's going to be calling the plays in 2013 makes it appear Jerry isn't satisfied with the ability of any of his coaches to call plays. The Cowboys still look like a disorganized team that doesn't know what they want to do. If Jerry wants Romo to have more impute in the offense maybe he should just let him call the plays. That wouldn't surprise me with as indecisive as he is on who's going to be calling them. Maybe the guy who signed $108 contract to run the plays should be calling them. Romo is probably more qualified than any of the coaches.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I don't know.. to hear most of the fans here tell it, the reason we struggled with Kitna was because he couldn't throw the ball downfield.


(Yes, i know that's baloney.. but that was the impression that most of the members here got for some reason..)

I think Orten has just as strong an arm as Tony though.. i don't see it being a problem. I remember reading just the other day that he missed on a couple throws in that particular OTA session, but he also threw a perfect 64 yard pass downfield that connected.

I don't know why, but it honestly seems to me that you're just reaching for reasons not to like Orten.

Why don't you READ my posts. I said, if Orton has protection, he should be fine. What other reason should I list? It honestly seems to me that you're just reaching for reasons not to like my posts. I'm done. Rant on.