Does Dallas need a Wide Receiver?

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If one of our WRs get hurt, and one always does - we will be in bad shape.
 

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I don't think Hurd or Stanback are anywhere nearsure things. Especially Stanback who has been a complete waste to this point.

I'm not a huge Matt Jones fan. He is big and very fast, but more like a glorified TE. He has been known as a tough guy in the past, which we could certainly use. At this point, I think he could be signed for virtually the league minimum plus incentives. Let's face it, the guy had a decent season last year in spite of playing for one of the most average QB's in the league.

So you ask yourself is he worth the chance. Some guys realize their wrong doings (it's not a mistake-mistakes occur with good intentions) and get their crap together, kind of like Bryant. Can Jones be this years Bryant? The real question is, who do you think has the best chance of these three to be an impact WR this year: Matt Jones, Isiah Stanback, or Sam Hurd.

When you look at it like that, I lean towards giving him one shot.
 

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Wrangler87;2761310 said:
I don't think Hurd or Stanback are anywhere nearsure things. Especially Stanback who has been a complete waste to this point.

I'm not a huge Matt Jones fan. He is big and very fast, but more like a glorified TE. He has been known as a tough guy in the past, which we could certainly use. At this point, I think he could be signed for virtually the league minimum plus incentives. Let's face it, the guy had a decent season last year in spite of playing for one of the most average QB's in the league.

So you ask yourself is he worth the chance. Some guys realize their wrong doings (it's not a mistake-mistakes occur with good intentions) and get their crap together, kind of like Bryant. Can Jones be this years Bryant? The real question is, who do you think has the best chance of these three to be an impact WR this year: Matt Jones, Isiah Stanback, or Sam Hurd.

When you look at it like that, I lean towards giving him one shot.

I always wonder what might have been with Bryant. He solidified himself as one of the very best WRs in football last year. Just wonder if he'll ever keep it together mentally.

Bryant is light years ahead of Jones on talent, adding a guy like Jones after cleaning out T.O, Pac, and Tank would be counterproductive to our new high character approach.
 

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Apollo Creed;2761314 said:
I always wonder what might have been with Bryant. He solidified himself as one of the very best WRs in football last year. Just wonder if he'll ever keep it together mentally.

Bryant is light years ahead of Jones on talent, adding a guy like Jones after cleaning out T.O, Pac, and Tank would be counterproductive to our new high character approach.

Yeah, maybe. I don't know a lot about Jones character. It seems evident he was using drugs and I don't know how he passed drug tests. I don't think he has ever been involved in shootings or other violent crimes and he certainly is not an attention magnet.

Still, 65 reception, 761 yards with a 11.7 yard average in 2008 was his best season as a pro, entering his fifth year, with an average QB. This guy could be ready to have a breakout career if he gets it together.
 

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Boyzmamacita;2759805 said:
I still don't understand the Cowboys philosophy of not drafting receivers. In recent history, we've used free agency and trades to acquire wideouts: Glenn, Keyshawn, TO, Roy. The only receivers we've drafted have been mid to low round picks like Crayton, Hurd, Stanback and Austin. I know a receiver takes time to develop, but we need to get a top-rated rookie on the squad so that said development can begin.
I agree with this post. I think the problem has been Dallas has been extremely concerned with the defense, and figured better value at defensive position when they picked.
 

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Wrangler87;2761310 said:
I don't think Hurd or Stanback are anywhere nearsure things. Especially Stanback who has been a complete waste to this point.

I'm not a huge Matt Jones fan. He is big and very fast, but more like a glorified TE. He has been known as a tough guy in the past, which we could certainly use. At this point, I think he could be signed for virtually the league minimum plus incentives. Let's face it, the guy had a decent season last year in spite of playing for one of the most average QB's in the league.

So you ask yourself is he worth the chance. Some guys realize their wrong doings (it's not a mistake-mistakes occur with good intentions) and get their crap together, kind of like Bryant. Can Jones be this years Bryant? The real question is, who do you think has the best chance of these three to be an impact WR this year: Matt Jones, Isiah Stanback, or Sam Hurd.

When you look at it like that, I lean towards giving him one shot.
All Hurd has done is stick around. He isn't fastest guy, so everyone wants to release him. He has shown great hands, solid route running, and great downfield blocking. Injury held him back last season.
 

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Apollo Creed;2761314 said:
I always wonder what might have been with Bryant. He solidified himself as one of the very best WRs in football last year. Just wonder if he'll ever keep it together mentally.

Bryant is light years ahead of Jones on talent, adding a guy like Jones after cleaning out T.O, Pac, and Tank would be counterproductive to 'our new high character approach'.

Just wondering, does that 'new approach' include Gerald Sensabaugh?

I'm just trying to clarify what the new approach truly is.

Does it apply to me-first guys like Owens?

Does it apply to repeat-offenders like Pacman?

Does it apply to locker room lawyers like Tank Johnson?

If it does, I don't see any of those qualities applying to Matt Jones.

The guy did get caught doing cocaine and I'm not trying to downplay that fact. It may yet end up costing him his career.

But I am saying that he isn't a 'me' guy, he isn't a 'repeat offender', and as far as I know, he wasn't a locker room disruption either.

If people want to write him off because of his drug arrest, I have no problem with that.

It was a serious issue and a huge mistake.

But, from a Cowboys perspective, I feel it would be a smart business decision to:

1) Sign the guy for a cheap price

2) With no draft picks involved

3) A receiver who is coming off of his best season as a pro

4) A young man who just turned 26 years old

5) An athlete who still has an amazing size/speed combination

6) A guy who had more catches last season than any receiver on Dallas' roster

7) A player motivated by the fact that this is his last chance at a meaningful NFL career



I think from a business perspective, the pros far outweigh the cons in signing Jones.

If he screws up again, you cut him and move on. No huge investment of money or draft picks.

But if he pans out, you have a solid, still-ascending player for next to nothing.

I think some team will sign him, and I personally hope it's this one.
 

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Still think Jerry has an eye on the Matt Jones situation.

RealCowboyfan;2761361 said:
True Talk


I don't know for sure do you, is it true that FO is talking about it.
 

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stasheroo;2761357 said:
Just wondering, does that 'new approach' include Gerald Sensabaugh?

I'm just trying to clarify what the new approach truly is.

Does it apply to me-first guys like Owens?

Does it apply to repeat-offenders like Pacman?

Does it apply to locker room lawyers like Tank Johnson?

If it does, I don't see any of those qualities applying to Matt Jones.

The guy did get caught doing cocaine and I'm not trying to downplay that fact. It may yet end up costing him his career.

But I am saying that he isn't a 'me' guy, he isn't a 'repeat offender', and as far as I know, he wasn't a locker room disruption either.

If people want to write him off because of his drug arrest, I have no problem with that.

It was a serious issue and a huge mistake.

But, from a Cowboys perspective, I feel it would be a smart business decision to:

1) Sign the guy for a cheap price

2) With no draft picks involved

3) A receiver who is coming off of his best season as a pro

4) A young man who just turned 26 years old

5) An athlete who still has an amazing size/speed combination

6) A guy who had more catches last season than any receiver on Dallas' roster

7) A player motivated by the fact that this is his last chance at a meaningful NFL career



I think from a business perspective, the pros far outweigh the cons in signing Jones.

If he screws up again, you cut him and move on. No huge investment of money or draft picks.

But if he pans out, you have a solid, still-ascending player for next to nothing.

I think some team will sign him, and I personally hope it's this one.

I think it still boils down to coaching. Pittsburgh has had Santonio Holmes arrested for drugs, James Harrison arrested for beating his girlfriend, Jeff Reed arrested for tearing up a bathroom. None have been cut. Now these players are better than Matt Jones, but coaches have to keep them in line in the lockerroom. Jimmy Johnson did that and we won. Matt Jones broke his probation by drinking alchol, he has not been arrested twice for drugs.
 

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Steven_81;2759676 said:
I was wandering what eveyone thought about our WR and do u think we need another.

I would feel a bit more comfortable with at least 1 more experienced WR but I also know that this is the time for guys like Austin and Hurd to have the full opportunity to shine
 

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DBOY3141;2761840 said:
I think it still boils down to coaching. Pittsburgh has had Santonio Holmes arrested for drugs, James Harrison arrested for beating his girlfriend, Jeff Reed arrested for tearing up a bathroom. None have been cut. Now these players are better than Matt Jones, but coaches have to keep them in line in the lockerroom. Jimmy Johnson did that and we won. Matt Jones broke his probation by drinking alchol, he has not been arrested twice for drugs.

I thought that M Jones was caught twice for drugs? Or was it only the cocaine that one time?

Why did the Jags decide to part ways with M Jones? Was it due to character issues? I really don't remember anymore.

I think a lot also depends on whether or not M Jones is going to be suspended by the league. It could be that JJ is waiting on that.

Personally, I don't really see JJ going after M Jones unless our WRs get injured in TC or they completely underwhelm early on.

Of course, either of these two situations can happen.

I'm curious to see how Stanback progresses in the mini-camps and TC. If he isn't able to take the next step, JJ may want to go for a veteran, unless M Johnson, Ogletree, or T Wilson really impresses.
 

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Joe Realist;2759731 said:
No. If the Cowboys can commit to running the ball, it will be a better approach anyway.
You can't run forever, you have to be balanced.
 

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Woods;2762285 said:
I thought that M Jones was caught twice for drugs? Or was it only the cocaine that one time?

It was once. Then he apparently violated a term of his probation prohibiting alchohol.

Why did the Jags decide to part ways with M Jones? Was it due to character issues? I really don't remember anymore.

Apparently, it was the alchohol incident which was the last straw for the Jaguars.

I think a lot also depends on whether or not M Jones is going to be suspended by the league. It could be that JJ is waiting on that.

I honestly don't see the league suspending him. He's already served four games for the arrest. The recent violation is between he and the legal system so I don't see how the league qould get invlved in that.

Personally, I don't really see JJ going after M Jones unless our WRs get injured in TC or they completely underwhelm early on.

I think by that time it would be too late. There are plenty of teams who could use an experienced wide receiver and I would anticipate one of them signing him before training camp.

Of course, either of these two situations can happen.

I'm curious to see how Stanback progresses in the mini-camps and TC. If he isn't able to take the next step, JJ may want to go for a veteran, unless M Johnson, Ogletree, or T Wilson really impresses.

I'd like to see Stanback step up, but I'd have to have to count on it with no options if he doesn't or if he gets injured again.

I put my responses in bold.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2762336 said:
Stash, I thought you were off that wagon.

Yeah, I sort of fell back on.

The 'campaign' is dead.

But from purely a risk/reward business approach, I think it's a smart move for a team with question marks at the position.

But there will be no hats or buttons passed around.
 

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stasheroo;2762347 said:
Yeah, I sort of fell back on.

The 'campaign' is dead.

But from purely a risk/reward business approach, I think it's a smart move for a team with question marks at the position.

But there will be no hats or buttons passed around.

Sounds like a good risk to reward quotient. I bet he's been pretty humbled by the lack of interest in him so far. Not sure Jerry wants to bark up that damaged goods tree so quickly again though.
 

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Doomsay;2762399 said:
Sounds like a good risk to reward quotient. I bet he's been pretty humbled by the lack of interest in him so far. Not sure Jerry wants to bark up that damaged goods tree so quickly again though.

I think reward outweighs any risk.

And I think the guy would be plenty motivated to continue his career.

As for 'damaged goods', they signed Sensabaugh, who has 'issues' of his own and those didn't stop the team.

But I'm not sure if Jerry would sign a guy who had 'drug issues' at any point.

In looking at Jones, I'd put him more in the category of bonehead who screwed up and got caught over the habitual, trouble-making, ne'er-do-well.
 

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stasheroo;2761357 said:
Just wondering, does that 'new approach' include Gerald Sensabaugh?

I'm just trying to clarify what the new approach truly is.

Does it apply to me-first guys like Owens?

Does it apply to repeat-offenders like Pacman?

Does it apply to locker room lawyers like Tank Johnson?

If it does, I don't see any of those qualities applying to Matt Jones.

The guy did get caught doing cocaine and I'm not trying to downplay that fact. It may yet end up costing him his career.

But I am saying that he isn't a 'me' guy, he isn't a 'repeat offender', and as far as I know, he wasn't a locker room disruption either.

If people want to write him off because of his drug arrest, I have no problem with that.

It was a serious issue and a huge mistake.

But, from a Cowboys perspective, I feel it would be a smart business decision to:

1) Sign the guy for a cheap price

2) With no draft picks involved

3) A receiver who is coming off of his best season as a pro

4) A young man who just turned 26 years old

5) An athlete who still has an amazing size/speed combination

6) A guy who had more catches last season than any receiver on Dallas' roster

7) A player motivated by the fact that this is his last chance at a meaningful NFL career



I think from a business perspective, the pros far outweigh the cons in signing Jones.

If he screws up again, you cut him and move on. No huge investment of money or draft picks.

But if he pans out, you have a solid, still-ascending player for next to nothing.

I think some team will sign him, and I personally hope it's this one.

this makes a lot of sense to me
 
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