Does Glymph make Ellis expendable/tradeable?

[EMMITTnROY]

1) You equated Ellis at LB to Newman at CB. No. Newman is a more experienced and better playing CB than Ellis is a LB.

2) The intended point I was making is that even if a player is really good (which Ellis is not. He's a bit above average as a DE) if he is playing out of position he is probably the same as the average guys at that position.

OK, I got point 1, it was point 2 that I wasn't seeing.. OK, refer to Michael Winicki's post concerning point 1..

as far as point 2, I'm sorry my friend, but Junior Glymph is a converted DE as well.. furthermore, if Greg Ellis ends up starting, that mean that he will have beaten out Bobby Carpenter, Al Singleton, Kevin Burnett, and Rocky Boiman for a starting LB spot.. I believe that means he is more than "average"

 

[iceberg]

I dunno...between Canty, Spears, Hatcher and Glymph (who can line up at DE, too) I think we have it covered.

so you're gonna replace ellis w/4 players?

 

[Tass]

OK, I got point 1, it was point 2 that I wasn't seeing.. OK, refer to Michael Winicki's post concerning point 1..

as far as point 2, I'm sorry my friend, but Junior Glymph is a converted DE as well.. furthermore, if Greg Ellis ends up starting, that mean that he will have beaten out Bobby Carpenter, Al Singleton, Kevin Burnett, and Rocky Boiman for a starting LB spot.. I believe that means he is more than "average"

LOL...yes, because Bill ALWAYS plays the best players and not 'his' guys or the guys that would look foolish sitting on the bench while getting paid a ton of money, right?

 

[Tass]

so you're gonna replace ellis w/4 players?

Those four guys can handle the DE duties.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Junior might be making Shanle Tradeable,Hence the Patriots rumor.

 

[austintodallas]

Ellis is going nowhere. He is a Parcells guy now.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

LOL...yes, because Bill ALWAYS plays the best players and not 'his' guys or the guys that would look foolish sitting on the bench while getting paid a ton of money, right?

ummmm... isn't the reason we are even having this conversation because of the fact that he is starting Chris Canty in place of Greg Ellis? wasn't Greg Ellis sitting on that same bench you talk of a lot last year?

but you know what, you are probably right.. Bill probably won 2 Super Bowls because he puts his best players on the bench.. it's an awesome strategy..

 

[aikemirv]

Yikes...so our top sack guy was in the bottom third of the NFL? Not much to crow about...

64 DE starting in the NFL! That would be in the top half and almost top 3rd.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think Dallas will trade Ellis, they have been saying this for a while now and at this stage unless someone made an offer we could not refuse I think Ellis remains on this team

 

[Derinyar]

Yikes...so our top sack guy was in the bottom third of the NFL? Not much to crow about...



Wellll, we don't know unless he gets a chance to play, do we?



Really? Jeez, it seemed like we were getting run all over last year. Maybe we weren't but it sure seemed that way to me.

He wasn't 24 in sacks as a DE. He was tied for 24 in sacks over all. Realize that each team has 2 DE's and many teams use rush linebackers. Saying hes in the bottom 1/3 of individual sacks is just stupid.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

He wasn't 24 in sacks as a DE. He was tied for 24 in sacks over all. Realize that each team has 2 DE's and many teams use rush linebackers. Saying hes in the bottom 1/3 of individual sacks is just stupid.

oh yeah, not to mention the fact that he has been ranked 1/53 for the past five years in the most important stat of all: leading the Dallas Cowboys in sacks..

 

[superpunk]

oh yeah, not to mention the fact that he has been ranked 1/53 for the past five years in the most important stat of all: leading the Dallas Cowboys in sacks..

And the tallest midget was so proud.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

And the tallest midget was so proud.

haha.. and so was the fastest turtle..

 

[AsthmaField]

I understand your point Tass... I do. However, the reason Parcells has been hanging on to Ellis, tooth and nail is because he provides an excellent passrush off of the strongside and that is proven. Bill said it himself... until we get another couple of Demarcus Ware's, Ellis doesn't have to worry about being phased out completely. He's still going to get his time rushing the QB.

While Glymph had two sacks against Seattle, one was the result of a blown protection scheme. I do think that Junior has some potential, but he's light years away from convincing anyone that he can provide as much of a pass rush as Greg.

The better question might be, "Will Glymph be one of the 53"? If he's not assured a roster spot, then I certainly don't think that he's anywhere near making a good, veteran pass rush threat like Greg, obsolete.

No... I think number 98 will be a big part of our 3-4 this season. Ellis will play a good bit, but IMO he'll still be a situational player. Oh, he may get the start for appearences (and for his delicate ego), but he's going to come out of the game a pretty good bit too. They're playing him a lot now to see what he can and can't do at OLB so that when the bullets start flying... he'll only be in the game in situations that he's likely to be able to handle well.

He'll be in to provide a pass rush opposite Ware and he'll likely be in on short yardage, running situations because of his ability against the run. He'll come out a lot so that teams don't simply build a gameplan around isolating Ellis on a good TE or a WR.

I got a little OT... but that's what I think we'll do with Ellis... and I really do think he'll be on the team.

 

[Alexander]

I think we'll stop hearing Ellis whine once he experiences some success at his new position.

I agree. If he gains confidence, his drama will cease.

However, I am very interested to see what he does when he experiences some adversity. The Seattle game was great for his low self esteem, but the real test will be how he handles missing an open field tackle or blowing a coverage assignment. Will he assume responsibility or just complain he is playing in a scheme he is ill-suited for?

 

[Tass]

64 DE starting in the NFL! That would be in the top half and almost top 3rd.

Ok, I concede this point. I screwed that one up.

 

[Alexander]

Junior might be making Shanle Tradeable,Hence the Patriots rumor.

They don't play the same position.

If anything, Carpenter's ability to play inside has made Shanle somewhat expendable.

Glymph still has a great deal of work to do to measure up to how Shanle played special teams. I don't believe he has much of a chance. If Burnett were not coming on, he would have this team made, no doubt.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

No.

Why?

Ellis is a better football player than Glymph.

Having Jacques Reeves doesn't make Terence Newman expendable..

Good Point.

I feel Greg Ellis is staying, he'll probably get another contract done after the season over, I think if Greg Ellis plays this position real good, he'll be a Cowboy for life.

Glymph he's a good player, but he's not better than Ellis. Only reason why Glymph got that second sack, because no one gave him contact, it was a free road to the quarterback.

Montavious Stanley cause a whole lot of pressure on that play.

Scott Shanle, Ryan Fowler, or never know Greg Ellis might be on that ride to seattle or denver for a player like Ashley Lelie, Deion Branch, or Matt Light.

Possible Trades

Scott Shanle for Troy Brown?
Greg Ellis for Deion Branch?
Ryan Fowler and Terrance Cooper for Troy Brown?
Greg Ellis for Ashley Lelie?

Kenyon Coleman, Scott Shanle, and Drew Henson for Deion Branch and Wesley Britt.

Kenyon Coleman and Greg Ellis and Drew Henson for Deion Branch and Johnathan Sulluvian DT?

 

[dbair1967]

I dunno...between Canty, Spears, Hatcher and Glymph (who can line up at DE, too) I think we have it covered.

Ellis had more sacks last yr alone than the rest of those guys have combined for their careers

you people that want to get rid of Ellis out out of your minds, if something happens to Ware, Ellis is the only other proven pass rush threat this team has

David

 

[Derinyar]

Ellis had more sacks last yr alone than the rest of those guys have combined for their careers

you people that want to get rid of Ellis out out of your minds, if something happens to Ware, Ellis is the only other proven pass rush threat this team has

David

But But But we have the UDRFA! I mean come on. Youth Movement. Cut Ellis and Bledsoe and let the Romo/Glymph era start.:laugh2: