Does Jeremiah know what he's talking about? Claims Romo or Garappolo headed to Bears

[Sydla]

As of Feb 12 this is what was reported. Releasing Romo post June 1 allows the Cowboys to spilt up $19.6M over two seasons which is why it would take a great trade offer to trade him, justifying taking the full cap hit.

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...to-release-than-trade-romo-according-to-espn/


CowboysWire broke down the impact to Dallas’s salary cap if Romo is traded several times before. Basically, if Romo is either traded or released, the Cowboys will still carry a $19.6 million charge in dead money of unamortized signing bonuses into next year, which actually saves Dallas $5.1 million on 2017’s cap, given Romo’s cap charge will be $24.7 if he remains on the roster. Either way, the Cowboys are forced to eat dead money if Romo is traded or released.


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Graziano then sees Dallas designating Romo a post-June 1st cut, which allows the Cowboys to split up that $19.6 million in dead money over the next two seasons.

“Ultimately I think it gets to the point where they release [Romo], they designated him a post-June 1st cut, and he gets to go where he wants to go. The only thing that could keep them from doing that is if someone made them a fantastic trade offer, where they got something of significant value in return to justify the full cap hit.

LOL.

Thanks for proving my and other people's point on how there's no difference in cutting or trading Romo prior to June 1. Well done.

Note the key point you are missing is the June 1 designation. If the Cowboys want to trade or cut him PRIOR TO JUNE 1, the cap hit is no different. However, if the team wants to spread out the cap hit over two years, then they'd have to cut him and make him a June 1 designation.

That's the point of the article you just linked. Graziano is arguing that he thinks it is better to split the cap hit over two years instead of taking the cap hit now in this league year. But like everyone else here, he really has no idea what the Cowboys are thinking or what their goals are with Romo.

But we can summarize this again for you since you really are struggling to understand this:

1) If the Cowboys are willing to take the full cap hit this year, there is no difference if they trade or cut him prior to June 1.

2) If they are more concerned with spreading the cap hit out over two years, then the best option is cut him making him a June 1 designation. But note, that if you make him a June 1 cut, you can't use the cap savings from him until after June 1.

 

[KJJ]

LOL.

Thanks for proving my and other people's point on how there's no difference in cutting or trading Romo prior to June 1. Well done.

I've been pointing out all along there's benefits to releasing him over trading him unless you get a good trade offer which is one reason I wouldn't take a 5th round pick for him. lol You claimed anything would be better than nothing and you think taking a 5th round pick would be better than the cap relief we would get by releasing him?

 

[Sydla]

I've been pointing out all along there's benefits to releasing him over trading him unless you get a good trade offer which is one reason I wouldn't take a 5th round pick for him. lol You claimed anything would be better than nothing and you think taking a 5th round pick would be better than the cap relief we would get by releasing him?

Oy.

 

[KJJ]

Oy.

Ended up digging yourself a hole. Should have bailed when you had the chance.

 

[Sydla]

Ended up digging yourself a hole. Should have bailed when you had the chance.

There is no hole. It was said multiple times in this thread that there is no difference in cap hit if Romo is traded or cut prior to June 1 (meaning, he's not a June 1 designation). That's an irrefutable fact.

No one has commented on the possibility of the June 1 designation because no one knows how the Cowboys view their cap situation. They very well may want to spread his cap hit out over two years, which means making him a June 1 designee is the most logical option. If they don't think that and instead are willing to eat the full cap hit this year and be free from him in future years, then there is no difference in cap hit between a trade and cut at this point.

I've never denied that the Cowboys may make him a June 1 cut. It all depends on how Stephen Jones and company want to work their cap. What I have said is that if you are going to cut him prior to June 1 (more specifically, without the June 1 designation) because you are willing to take the full cap hit this year, that would be silly if you can get trade compensation for him instead.

 

[KJJ]

There is no hole. It was said multiple times in this thread that there is no difference in cap hit if Romo is traded or cut prior to June 1 (meaning, he's not a June 1 designation). That's an irrefutable fact.

No one has commented on the possibility of the June 1 designation because no one knows how the Cowboys view their cap situation. They very well may want to spread his cap hit out over two years, which means making him a June 1 designee is the most logical option. If they don't think that and instead are willing to eat the full cap hit this year and be free from him in future years, then there is no difference in cap hit between a trade and cut at this point.

You have several posts in this thread claiming you would rather have anything in a trade for Romo than to let him walk for nothing because you think there's no benefit to the team by releasing him and you're wrong. The article points out it would take a "fantastic" trade offer for the Cowboys to want to take on the full cap him. It's better to release him and spread the money out over two years than to trade him for a low round pick and take the full cap hit. These quotes of yours proves you would rather have a crap draft pick than nothing, thinking that would be better than releasing him and taking the cap relief.

If the options are:

Take a 5th round pick and see him play for the Texans

OR

Get nothing and watch him walk in FA to the Texans to any team?

The answer is easy. I take the pick over nothing.

Let's wrap this up.

If the Cowboys want to make a deal by the draft, they should trade Romo to whomever offers the best package whether that be the Texans, Jets, Bears, Texas Longhorns, Kansas City Royals.

Anyone who suggests that it is better for the franchise to just let him walk anywhere he wants in FA, even the Texans, has a screw loose.

 

[Sydla]

You have several posts in this thread claiming you would rather have anything in a trade for Romo than to let him walk for nothing because you think there's no benefit to the team by releasing him and your wrong. The article points out it would take a "fantastic" trade offer for the Cowboys to want to take on the full cap him. It's better to release him and spread the money out over two years than to trade him for a low round pick and take the full cap hit. This quote of yours proves you would rather have a crap draft pick than nothing, thinking that would be better than releasing him and taking the cap relief.

Yes, in the context of whether you trade or cut him prior to the June 1 designation. I can pull multiple posts that throw in the caveat that there is no cap difference in trading him or cutting him prior to June 1, if you would like.

And the article you pulled isn't a factual opinion. It's simply Dan Graziano's opinion. He thinks it makes more sense to make him a June 1 cap designation and spread the cap hit out over two years instead of trading him. But that's his opinion. Do you know the difference between factual reporting and an opinion piece?

We don't know how the Cowboys view their cap situation. There have been a wide variety of opinions written about what they should do - cut him now or trade him now and take the full hit, make him a June 1 cut, to keeping him as a backup.

But if the Cowboys are willing to cut him without the June 1 designation, yes, it's silly to not trade him.

Personally? I think since we don't spend a ton in FA now anyway, I'd take the cap hit now and not spread it over two years. We have the flexibility to do that with other contract restructures. But that's just my opinion.

 

[KJJ]

Yes, in the context of whether you trade or cut him prior to the June 1 designation. I can pull multiple posts that throw in the caveat that there is no cap difference in trading him or cutting him prior to June 1, if you would like.

And the article you pulled isn't a factual opinion. It's simply Dan Graziano's opinion. He thinks it makes more sense to make him a June 1 cap designation and spread the cap hit out over two years instead of trading him. But that's his opinion. Do you know the difference between factual reporting and an opinion piece?

Throw in what you want but you made no mention early on of anything prior to Jun 1 and this is one of several posts that prove it. Where is there any mention of June 1 in that post? You started singing a different tune as the thread developed and articles were being posted about June 1 and the benefits of trading and releasing Romo.

If the options are:

Take a 5th round pick and see him play for the Texans

OR

Get nothing and watch him walk in FA to the Texans to any team?

The answer is easy. I take the pick over nothing.

 

[jterrell]

If it's a trade he doesn't like he'll retire. I don't see Jerry trading him to a team he doesn't want to play for because Romo has leverage retirement and TV opportunities which would nix the trade.

This is an overblown point.
TR wants to play football.
Jerry will listen to TR and try to appease him as much as possible but TR wants to play football. BADLY.

 

[KJJ]

And the article you pulled isn't a factual opinion. It's simply Dan Graziano's opinion. He thinks it makes more sense to make him a June 1 cap designation and spread the cap hit out over two years instead of trading him. But that's his opinion. Do you know the difference between factual reporting and an opinion piece?

His opinions are based on the ramifications of trading and releasing Romo and what would make the most sense. It makes a lot of sense to trade Romo and take the cap hit if it's a great trade offer which is unlikely to happen due to Romo's age and injury history. His opinion is valid based on a number of factors.

 

[KJJ]

This is an overblown point.
TR wants to play football.
Jerry will listen to TR and try to appease him as much as possible but TR wants to play football. BADLY.

I've pointed out several times Jerry will do everything to appease Romo. I'm just pointing out to those who think he'll end up in Cleveland or somewhere else he doesn't want to go what his option is and it's retirement and going into TV.

 

[Sydla]

His opinions are based on the ramifications of trading and releasing Romo and what would make the most sense. It makes a lot of sense to trade Romo and take the cap hit if it's a great trade offer which is unlikely to happen due to Romo's age and injury history. His opinion is valid based on a number of factors.

But he has no idea what the Cowboys think of their cap situation. He's just guessing.

We already know the ramifications of trading him, cutting him prior to June 1, or making him a June 1 designation. He's assuming Dallas will want to spread the hit out over two years. We don't know that to be a fact. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't.

Doesn't change the fact that if they are willing to eat his cap hit this year, cutting him when they could trade him would be foolish.

 

[jterrell]

lol. have to love threads that stretch 20 plus pages.
yes, the basic equation has always been:
1. keep Romo and eat 24m in cap hit.
2. release Romo w June 2 desigation and save 14m.
3. release Romo before June 1st and save 5m.
4. trade Romo and save 5m.

So yes, there is a question of if you want to pay 9m in dead money this year versus next year and factor that into the trade matrix.
But the 9m doesn't go away and you can likely use cap accounting to shift that 9m anyway(by say restructuring Jason Witten or Dez).

THIS Chicago note likely came from TR's camp. They are close to home for him and need a starting QB.
I'm guessing TR's first priority is a walk in starting job.
Second is a chance to win.
Third is location.

Keep in mind Dallas won how many games in 2015?
Guessing TR feels he can elevate teams.

If Dallas was going to just release Romo they could have already done so.
Only reason to wait to weigh his value and try to find a return.

 

[jterrell]

I've pointed out several times Jerry will do everything to appease Romo. I'm just pointing out to those who think he'll end up in Cleveland or somewhere else he doesn't want to go what his option is and it's retirement and going into TV.

He's not going to CLE for sure. But he's only not going to TV. If he was interested in that he'd be doing some TV now.

I'm not sure he ever even does TV. TR may well compete for another year or two then simply retire to be retired.
Play golf, go to SMU or other college events, raise his kids.

TR's agent floated all that TV stuff and whatnot. It was pointless.
Cowboys will float that 30 teams want him via trade. Same white noise.
TR and Jerry will work together and find the right landing spot for him.
Worst case Jerry releases him w June 2nd designation.

But again I do believe there is a trade market for a guy expected to be a walk in starter at QB.

 

[KJJ]

But he has no idea what the Cowboys think of their cap situation. He's just guessing.

We already know the ramifications of trading him, cutting him prior to June 1, or making him a June 1 designation. He's assuming Dallas will want to spread the hit out over two years. We don't know that to be a fact. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't.

Doesn't change the fact that if they are willing to eat his cap hit this year, cutting him when they could trade him would be foolish.

He's making some very solid guesses based on the information that's been going around for awhile causing many to think Romo will be released. You didn't seem to know the ramifications of trading and releasing Romo because you kept saying you would rather have something in a trade even if it's a 5th round pick than allowing him to walk for nothing. Trading Romo for a low round pick and having to eat the full $19.6 M wouldn't be a smart move. It would be better to release him and spread out that money over the next 2 seasons.

 

[KJJ]

He's not going to CLE for sure. But he's only not going to TV. If he was interested in that he'd be doing some TV now.

He's still preparing to play next season that's where his mindset is. If he was doing TV now then that would point to him already leaning in that direction. He must have done some test TV work for him to be getting offers to replace Phil Simms in the booth, if those reports were accurate. He could be doing some things behind the scenes just in case he decides to retire. Nothing can be ruled out except him returning to the Cowboys because nothing is pointing in that direction.

 

[JoeKing]

Your cojones have taken a real beating. lol I've never seen you right about anything and if you have been provide an "actual quote" from you that can be clicked on and taken to your original post. You go out on some ridiculously slim limbs that have no logic behind them. Continuing to say that Greg Hardy would show up in camp 2 weeks after camp started was hilarious. Even you admitted you make some crazy predictions. Some of your calls have no rhyme or reason.

leave my cojones alone, fan boy

 

[JoeKing]

It's being reported by practically everyone close to the situation who gets paid to be an NFL insider.

So because they are in numbers, they are legit. Gotcha.

 

[KJJ]

So because they are in numbers, they are legit. Gotcha.

Go away and find someone to play with no one takes you seriously. Your track record is worse than Super Dave Osborne's.

 

[JoeKing]

What are you debating? I think it's pretty well established the Cowboys will and have likely been putting feelers out as to what they might get for Romo.

I think people are in la la land if they think the first option for Jerry is have him compete for the starting job. Not even Jerry is that dumb.

Your opinion is noted. It's sad when everyone that has a different opinion than yours is in la la land but when you are wrong we never get an acknowledgment or apology.