Does T Glenn, T O, Roy Williams really care, have heart? due to OTAs

[sacase]

Oh lord talk about people going off the deep end. First they are voluntary, as n they don't have to go unless they want to. Second, they could have had prior personal or business issues to take care of. I mean would you rather have them schedule there personal issues or business issues during the season and miss a real practice or would you rather them miss OTA's and get things taken care of. These guys don't think football 24/7 as much as some fans seem to want them to. My God some people are just plain crazy. NFL players are allowed to have lives you know.

 

[Q_the_man]

u mean no Ware, trade him, he doesn't want to win. He's a big slacker and doenst care for Dallas.....or football for that matter

 

[burmafrd]

I don't blame JJ at all: its not he was treated like he was wanted. He is- FROM ALL ACCOUNTS including Wade- in great physical shape. Its not like the relatively small changes will impact what he does on the field.Plenty of time to learn any nuances in camp. Ware missed one apparently. Big deal.
Actually to me its more worrying about the D players who have missed several: Roy for one. There are going to be significant changes on the D this year and THEY need to be learning it as soon as possible.

 

[Alexander]

Oh lord talk about people going off the deep end. First they are voluntary, as n they don't have to go unless they want to.

But why wouldn't they want to?

It is extra effort, but in the long run, it is these little things that could possibly make a difference between an 8-8 team and a playoff winner.

Coach Parcells made it mandatory to a degree and that is the only reason many complied.

Now, there is a different approach and while some might disagree with me, this shows the level of commitment for many of these players.

Some, like Spears, are attending funerals (for Marquise Hill). Ware has a family issue.

Others, like Owens, Glenn, Jones and Williams, are doing their own thing.

It is all about impression. Much like wearing a suit for an interview. Is it necessary? Not really. But it helps.

 

[Doomsday101]

If this team were winning championships chances are no one would say anything about a guy missing one of these training session but the fact remains this team has not won a playoff game in years. Coaches hold this training session for a reason and while the league only allows teams to have x number of mandatory workouts and the rest are considered voluntary coaches still want these guys in. Just because it is not mandatory does not mean it is unimportant

 

[cowboyjoe]

That is my exact point, sure some players might have an excused absence, like spears or ware, but at same time, T O is getting a big signing bonus, and he knows last year, he missed some routes last year, due to not knowing the plays.

Well, now he is missing time to learn those routes. It might be that with his finger, needing rest, but he could be there to walk through at least to know the routes.

Like one of the players that I am real disappointed in is Roy Williams, when he came out for the draft, he said how he dreamed of being a Dallas Cowboy and all, wanting to play for the Cowboys and be an impact player. Yet, reports are that each year he comes in about 242 or so, that is way too heavy for a strong safety, if he lost like 12 to 14 pounds, that would put him around 230 or so, which would make him a little faster, which he needs.

We all know how he gets burned in coverage. Reports also state how Roy Williams isnt in football shape, like he should be, like in workouts during the offseason, he normally doesnt show up during most of the workouts during the offseason. That to me shows lack of desire and commitment. If your going to talk the talk, youve got to back it up with the walk.

True, some of the pass coverage that was blown wasnt his fault, like reports are that Bradie James and Fowler were most of the culprits on coverage to TE's, running backs and the fullback that killed us in the New Orleans game.

So, I question the desire, commitment of players like Roy Williams, T O and Terry Glenn, when Bill Parcells had all of his OTA's and offseason workouts, Glenn didnt miss a one. Yet, at the OTAs by Phillips, Glenn by reports he has missed all of them. The timing patterns with Jason Garretts new offense is critical, and TO and Terry Glenn missed most of them. If a player like Marco Riveria whom has a bad back, is out there helping the young offensive linemen, like Doug Free and James Marten, then T O and Terry Glenn should be there too learning and setting example for the other players, and showing leadership.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Another good point doomsday, this team hasnt won a playoff game in years, that takes extra work, commitment, heart and desire to come in to pratices, workout, and learn the new offense and defense.

If you dont show, then you show how commited you are towards wanting to be a leader on the team.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

My "inside sources" tell me that they, the players who missed, have started a cult.

He says they have turned into commie pinko hippie vampires that pray on the elderly. This has taken a great deal of their time and that is why they have missed some of the OTA's.

 

[sacase]

That is my exact point, sure some players might have an excused absence, like spears or ware, but at same time, T O is getting a big signing bonus, and he knows last year, he missed some routes last year, due to not knowing the plays.

Well, now he is missing time to learn those routes. It might be that with his finger, needing rest, but he could be there to walk through at least to know the routes.

Like one of the players that I am real disappointed in is Roy Williams, when he came out for the draft, he said how he dreamed of being a Dallas Cowboy and all, wanting to play for the Cowboys and be an impact player. Yet, reports are that each year he comes in about 242 or so, that is way too heavy for a strong safety, if he lost like 12 to 14 pounds, that would put him around 230 or so, which would make him a little faster, which he needs.

We all know how he gets burned in coverage. Reports also state how Roy Williams isnt in football shape, like he should be, like in workouts during the offseason, he normally doesnt show up during most of the workouts during the offseason. That to me shows lack of desire and commitment. If your going to talk the talk, youve got to back it up with the walk.

True, some of the pass coverage that was blown wasnt his fault, like reports are that Bradie James and Fowler were most of the culprits on coverage to TE's, running backs and the fullback that killed us in the New Orleans game.

So, I question the desire, commitment of players like Roy Williams, T O and Terry Glenn, when Bill Parcells had all of his OTA's and offseason workouts, Glenn didnt miss a one. Yet, at the OTAs by Phillips, Glenn by reports he has missed all of them. The timing patterns with Jason Garretts new offense is critical, and TO and Terry Glenn missed most of them. If a player like Marco Riveria whom has a bad back, is out there helping the young offensive linemen, like Doug Free and James Marten, then T O and Terry Glenn should be there too learning and setting example for the other players, and showing leadership.

Do you think Roy is going to loose 12-14 lbs in OTA's?

Look, it is really simple, the players do not have to provide you the fan with the reason they are not at OTA's. You act like they are chilling at home or off partying, gettin drunk and not working out at all.

Maybe they have a family reunion, a vacation, a business deal or a charity event they have to attend.

How long do you think it takes to learn a play book? Hell do you even know what the plays are? Do you know if they are timing patterns? Your just making guesses and being a friggin DRAMA QUEEN!

 

[Cochese]

Maybe they have a family reunion, a vacation, a business deal or a charity event they have to attend.

Its obvious that these OTA's are scheduled just days before hand, so these poor millionaires with the shortest season in sports just dont have the time or the ability to schedule things around them.

 

[sacase]

Its obvious that these OTA's are scheduled just days before hand, so these poor millionaires with the shortest season in sports just dont have the time or the ability to schedule things around them.

Are you jealous or something? I think you got some sand stuck somewhere...

 

[WoodysGirl]

Per Wade

"On the OTA, the thing we have stressed is communication," Phillips said Thursday. "We'd like for the guys to be here for as many of the workouts as they can, but if they are not able to make it, we want them to let us know in advance. To a man, that policy has been followed."

 

[Cochese]

Are you jealous or something? I think you got some sand stuck somewhere...

What are you, the team random excuse generator ?

 

[cowboyjoe]

Sacase, I do know this, Jason Garrett said the new offense is built upon Timing patterns, which are different from the previous route running and receiving last year. Did you know that???????

Second, the timing patterns was used in the early 90's with Jimmy Johnson when he hired Norv Turner to run it. That takes extra time to learn where to throw the ball and the receiver has to run the right route to get there. There was an article on those routes, by someone that came into Dallas after Norv left, and he said, that if Norv Turner was still here, the guys after 1995, would be let go, they were running sloppy routes, etc.

If you know any football, you have to run right routes, be precise, and turn right when the ball is going to be there. We all know, not sure if you know that or not. Big example is in super bowl in early 90's, Novachek was running a route and right before he turned for the ball, Aikman had already thrown the ball, knowing he would be there. The other WR's had run their right routes to keep the defense away from where the ball was going. In timing patterns, you have to run the right routes and be precise. If not, big interceptions.

Relating to Roy Williams, reports are from media that have focused on this, and I have, I repeat I have read several of those reports, Roy Williams does not and did not attend most of the offseason workouts when Parcells was here. Only the mandatory ones, because each year, Roy would come in at 242 or sometimes even 245, way to big for a safety. The Cowboys have even asked Roy Williams to come in at a lesser weight. That to me, says a lot about Roy Williams, his desire and commitment.

If the players like Ware, Bradie James, Carpenter all said after looking at the new defense scheme that Wade Phillips is installing, they see how quickness and speed is more important, even the sports writers have written several documents about that speed issue, and weight drop by defensive players. If those players that have dropped 20 pounds to get faster and quicker, then you cant tell me that Roy Williams cant.

If he comes in at 242 or so, then what does that say about Roy Williams commitment, and desire, knowing that Wade wants speed and quickness, even the Cowboys have told Roy to lose some weight, to become faster. That to me, all comes down to Roy. Thats why I am so disappointed in him. If you read these articles alittle more, you would know more, then to make comments you did, without reading and knowing.

 

[sacase]

Sacase, I do know this, Jason Garrett said the new offense is built upon Timing patterns, which are different from the previous route running and receiving last year. Did you know that???????

Second, the timing patterns was used in the early 90's with Jimmy Johnson when he hired Norv Turner to run it. That takes extra time to learn where to throw the ball and the receiver has to run the right route to get there. There was an article on those routes, by someone that came into Dallas after Norv left, and he said, that if Norv Turner was still here, the guys after 1995, would be let go, they were running sloppy routes, etc.

If you know any football, you have to run right routes, be precise, and turn right when the ball is going to be there. We all know, not sure if you know that or not. Big example is in super bowl in early 90's, Novachek was running a route and right before he turned for the ball, Aikman had already thrown the ball, knowing he would be there. The other WR's had run their right routes to keep the defense away from where the ball was going. In timing patterns, you have to run the right routes and be precise. If not, big interceptions.

Relating to Roy Williams, reports are from media that have focused on this, and I have, I repeat I have read several of those reports, Roy Williams does not and did not attend most of the offseason workouts when Parcells was here. Only the mandatory ones, because each year, Roy would come in at 242 or sometimes even 245, way to big for a safety. The Cowboys have even asked Roy Williams to come in at a lesser weight. That to me, says a lot about Roy Williams, his desire and commitment.

If the players like Ware, Bradie James, Carpenter all said after looking at the new defense scheme that Wade Phillips is installing, they see how quickness and speed is more important, even the sports writers have written several documents about that speed issue, and weight drop by defensive players. If those players that have dropped 20 pounds to get faster and quicker, then you cant tell me that Roy Williams cant.

If he comes in at 242 or so, then what does that say about Roy Williams commitment, and desire, knowing that Wade wants speed and quickness, even the Cowboys have told Roy to lose some weight, to become faster. That to me, all comes down to Roy. Thats why I am so disappointed in him. If you read these articles alittle more, you would know more, then to make comments you did, without reading and knowing.

Have you even played the WR position? I am very well versed in what a WR needs to do in a timing pattern since I have played in a passing offense with a lot of 4 and 5 WR sets in which we had to run complimentary routes. The QB and WR make the read based on how the defense lines up. You can pick up the offense in a very short amount of time. Plus, the timing is completly diffenent when you are in pads than when you are not. Contact tends to change the timing.

You make this claim about RW weight but every year he has made his target weight set by the team, how do you explain that? Is the team lying?

 

[EPL0c0]

It is as simple as that. It ain't about that at all. It's easy to sum it up if you're just talking about practice. We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we're talking about practice. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last but we're talking about practice man. How silly is that? ... Now I know that I'm supposed to lead by example and all that but I'm not shoving that aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I honestly do but we're talking about practice. We're talking about practice man. We're talking about practice. We're talking about practice. We're not talking about the game. We're talking about practice. When you come to the arena, and you see me play, you've seen me play right, you've seen me give everything I've got, but we're talking about practice right now. ... Hey I hear you, it's funny to me too, hey it's strange to me too but we're talking about practice man, we're not even talking about the game, when it actually matters, we're talking about practice ... How the hell can I make my teammates better by practicing?

 

[Doomsday101]

Allen Iverson has always been an idiot.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Roy cares for sure........

 

[TEK2000]

Its hilarious to think about Roy losing 15 - 20 pounds from 1 OTA. Wade must be really working them hard in those OTA's.

Miss 1 OTA and all the sudden you're fat, uncommitted, and don't want to win.

 

[Champsheart]

Ok guys, with all the talk that Todd Archer has said as well as cowboys fans about missing OTA's, my question is does T O, Terry Glenn, Roy Williams, & Fergueson really care about team unity, heart, desire to win, because to me, it seems that they dont. You build team chemistry during the offseason, they are the ones that signed the big contracts, said that they loved the Dallas Cowboys, yet at OTA's that are voluntary they dont show up.
To me, its time us fans make our concerns documented to those above mentioned players, why aren't you in these practices learning the new offense and defense systems. Are you another Jeremey Shockey, that refuses to participate, but want to practice in your own home area. Shockey and Burriss WR did that, and the timing with Manning was off.
Even the great Troy Aikman said you need the timing in offseason to get your timing patterns down. So, T O, Terry Glenn, Roy Williams & Fergy why arent you in these offseason workouts getting your new systems down and learning? I question your heart and desire.
Even in the early 70's, Roger Staubach would work out with rookie Drew Pearson, while Rayfield Wright would after pratice, spend an extra hour with Harvey Martin showing him things. If these guys realized that it takes extra work, desire and heart to be champions, what does that say about your desires.
Even Trent Greene QB for the Chiefs was angry at the coach for not allowing a trade to be made during the draft, so he could get in, view the offense, get the timing down with the WRs and TEs, so if he says its very important to get timing down, learn the plays etc, what does that say about your desire and heart to put in the extra work T O, Terry Glenn, Roy Williams & Fergy, while mentioning Julius Jones too, whom has missed some workouts.
Do you really care about being a Dallas Cowboy and care about the fans? Like Roy Williams, each year, he comes in about 242 or so, which we all know, he needs to be about 225 or so, reports are coming out the last few years, that Roy Willliams isnt a dedicated workout warrior to get in top shape. So, what do you say now Roy?
a concerend dallas cowboy fan since 1966;
cowboyjoe

Dude, you are way over reacting.
I do wish they where all there, I really do. That would be the ultimate. But come on now Drama Queen. Players miss OTA's? They always have and they always will, from every team miss OTA's.
And to use this as a measuring stick on how bad they want to be Cowboys is just plain silly.
You know, you do not know the circumstances, who is, and is not excused, and for what reasons. I know you probably feel like they are all little puppets that should meet your requirments, but sorry, it just does not work that way.