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I hope we can overcome the drama and I do agree it's been a long time for the playoff W.

But we also have to remember that from 2000-2003 or so we were in really ****ty cap trouble. Now that is partially to do with Jerry but how much of that hurt us cause of players getting injuried and having to retire early? (I ask cause I don't know if retired plays bonus and such goes into the cap)

We're coming around now after Bill came in and helped clean house and we're now in a much better situation with the cap.
 
BraveHeartFan;1935519 said:
I hope we can overcome the drama and I do agree it's been a long time for the playoff W.

But we also have to remember that from 2000-2003 or so we were in really ****ty cap trouble. Now that is partially to do with Jerry but how much of that hurt us cause of players getting injuried and having to retire early? (I ask cause I don't know if retired plays bonus and such goes into the cap)

We're coming around now after Bill came in and helped clean house and we're now in a much better situation with the cap.
2001 was pure cap hell. We had Deion's and Aikman's cap hit to contend with and we were flush up against the cap as is

When your FA pickings are Tony Banks , Carl pickens(who promptly retired and Ryan Leaf. You've got problems.

We maybe could have traded for a guy like Trent Green, but we had no number 1 pick due to the Galloway trade.
 
Bach;1935204 said:
:laugh2:

I love the way you guys try to act like Jimmy was clueless and Jerry was the brains behind the operation. It's like freaking bizarro world around here.


and I love when you quote me without answering the post and instead saying things that I have never said
 
BraveHeartFan;1935519 said:
But we also have to remember that from 2000-2003 or so we were in really ****ty cap trouble.

The best way to beat cap trouble is to draft well.

1999-2002 were some of the worse drafts in the history of ever. Cap troubles don't excuse that.
 
wileedog;1935560 said:
The best way to beat cap trouble is to draft well.

1999-2002 were some of the worse drafts in the history of ever. Cap troubles don't excuse that.
No, they don't, although 2002 was still way better than the 2000 and 2001 abominations.
 
windward;1935561 said:
No, they don't, although 2002 was still way better than the 2000 and 2001 abominations.

Only for Gurode as it turns out, and it took him a long time to 'get it'. Still can't shotgun snap worth a damn.

I think its safe to say even for his couple of good years Roy has been a massive disappointment for a top 8 pick. The rest is slop just like previous years.
 
wileedog;1935564 said:
Only for Gurode as it turns out, and it took him a long time to 'get it'. Still can't shotgun snap worth a damn.

I think its safe to say even for his couple of good years Roy has been a massive disappointment for a top 8 pick. The rest is slop just like previous years.
2002 was by no mean a great draft, but when compared to the previous two years when the best pick out of those combined drafts ended up being Mario Edwards, well, that makes me sad.
 
windward;1935572 said:
2002 was by no mean a great draft, but when compared to the previous two years when the best pick out of those combined drafts ended up being Mario Edwards, well, that makes me sad.

Interesting when you look at it that the top 4 picks are head cases of one form or another.

Roy's troubles are well documented. Gurode couldn't find a position for a while and now seems to have some sort of yips problem. Bryant and Ross speak for themselves.

If Parcells had come a year earlier I don't think he picks any of them, even Roy.

But yeah, 2000-2001 should win some sort of award for drafting ineptitude. It would be hard to replicate that level of suck on purpose.
 
wileedog;1935583 said:
Interesting when you look at it that the top 4 picks are head cases of one form or another.

Roy's troubles are well documented. Gurode couldn't find a position for a while and now seems to have some sort of yips problem. Bryant and Ross speak for themselves.

If Parcells had come a year earlier I don't think he picks any of them, even Roy.

But yeah, 2000-2001 should win some sort of award for drafting ineptitude. It would be hard to replicate that level of suck on purpose.
It should be interesting to see how we draft this offseason.

In the wake of Ireland and Gaines' departure this is a pretty big litmus test for Jerry and his scouts.
 
Dave_in-NC;1935420 said:
Naw, just at least be competitive more often would be nice.

and 13-3 is a losing team?

it's not losing it seems...but when you lose.
 
wileedog;1935341 said:
Jerry did?


He paid one of them $50M. As a Guard no less. I mean c'mon, is a Pro Bowl that amazing for that much money?


Ireland was still here as well as the scouting infrastructure Bill left him. How were the pre-Bill drafts working?

And before I break down weeping I'm going to laugh my *** off at you if Jerry trades our entire draft for McFadden. :) :(


OK, that's not on Jerry. Yay?



Again, the last three years Jones has benefited from the organization Bill built for him. This year in particular he seems to content to let that organization go out the window.

He has proven without a doubt that he sucks on his own. Well, he's heading back out on his own more and more this year. Why shouldn't a rational person be concerned?

The 2002 draft which was the year beofre Parcells came netted 2 eventual probowlers. that was the year that Jones decided to stop taking dramatic risks and wheeling and dealing and the drafts have been solid.

Newman was a Jones pick because that first year that Parcells was here it definitely wasnt Parcells system and that draft also netted us Witten and James. But let me guess youre going to refuse to use the same logic for that draft that you used for this one and refuse to give jones credit.

The 2004 draft which ws Prcells first full season was our worst since the 90s with Jones, Rogers, Peterman, Thornton and Ryan where basically they all underperformed or straight out bested.

2005 was better but only because Jones vetoed Bill and we got Ware instead of another LSU flop.

2006 was a year of reaches and guys that have flopped so far.

Jones has had two good drafts to Parcells one on the past 5 years.

And the McFadden thing which you apparently are eating up is being retracted by the reporter who made it.

As for the free agent signings i notice you competely ignore the hamlin deal which was a steal but you also refuse to acknoledge the deals that guards get in the NFL today. Go look at what SD paid Diehlman or Minny paid Hutchinson. Not to mention Davis was a LT a AZ which get paid much more than that. You shouldnt talk numbers when you have no concept of relativity.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;1935637 said:
The 2002 draft which was the year beofre Parcells came netted 2 eventual probowlers. that was the year that Jones decided to stop taking dramatic risks and wheeling and dealing and the drafts have been solid.

Newman was a Jones pick because that first year that Parcells was here it definitely wasnt Parcells system and that draft also netted us Witten and James. But let me guess youre going to refuse to use the same logic for that draft that you used for this one and refuse to give jones credit.

The 2004 draft which ws Prcells first full season was our worst since the 90s with Jones, Rogers, Peterman, Thornton and Ryan where basically they all underperformed or straight out bested.

2005 was better but only because Jones vetoed Bill and we got Ware instead of another LSU flop.

2006 was a year of reaches and guys that have flopped so far.

Jones has had two good drafts to Parcells one on the past 5 years.

And the McFadden thing which you apparently are eating up is being retracted by the reporter who made it.

As for the free agent signings i notice you competely ignore the hamlin deal which was a steal but you also refuse to acknoledge the deals that guards get in the NFL today. Go look at what SD paid Diehlman or Minny paid Hutchinson. Not to mention Davis was a LT a AZ which get paid much more than that. You shouldnt talk numbers when you have no concept of relativity.

:clap2::hammer:
 
FuzzyLumpkins;1935637 said:
The 2002 draft which was the year beofre Parcells came netted 2 eventual probowlers. that was the year that Jones decided to stop taking dramatic risks and wheeling and dealing and the drafts have been solid.
Because Roy earned going to the Pro Bowl one year and has gone every year since on reputation does not make him a current "Pro Bowler." And he was a top 8 pick, getting a decent player there is not rocket science

Gurode didn't even start for several years after he was drafted.

Again, nothing else in that draft resembles "solid." Only Tyson Walter is currently on an NFL roster and he hasn't played in a game in over 2 years.

Newman was a Jones pick because that first year that Parcells was here it definitely wasnt Parcells system and that draft also netted us Witten and James. But let me guess youre going to refuse to use the same logic for that draft that you used for this one and refuse to give jones credit.
Let me guess you are going to imply that Parcells sat back and said "That's cool Jerry, you pick 'em. I don't like buying the groceries anyway."

I gave credit to Jerry above when I said he is at his best when there is a strong football guy in the War room with him. The fact that he had his best draft in a decade the first year Parcells is here kinda backs that up, don't you think?

The 2004 draft which ws Prcells first full season was our worst since the 90s with Jones, Rogers, Peterman, Thornton and Ryan where basically they all underperformed or straight out bested.
Lacewell was still in place. It was after this draft Parcells blew up Jerry's scouting system and put in Ireland - something Jerry would have never done on his own.

Still got two players who started on this team this year in the 7th round, which is more than you can say for 2000-2001 combined.

2005 was better but only because Jones vetoed Bill and we got Ware instead of another LSU flop.
Which somehow totally ignores the value of Barber and Canty in the 4th and Ratliff in the 7th.

2006 was a year of reaches and guys that have flopped so far.

Jones has had two good drafts to Parcells one on the past 5 years.
What?

So Jones made all the calls in the 'good' drafts but it was all Parcells in the 'bad' drafts?

And there is more than the draft.

How about a 6th for Terry Glenn?

How about picking up a solid starting RT in Columbo off the street?

You really think Jerry Jones by himself would ever wait 4 years for a UFA small QB to develop on his own? Honestly? Mr. throw $$$ at Hutchinson and Carter?


And the McFadden thing which you apparently are eating up is being retracted by the reporter who made it.
It was a joke. Even I don't think he is that stupid.

That said, it speaks volumes that someone could put something like that out there and immediately everyone jumps on it as true. You think if that rumor came out about the Pats anyone would take it seriously? And why do you think that is?

As for the free agent signings i notice you competely ignore the hamlin deal which was a steal
It was a gamble that paid off. If Hamlin takes a shot to the head in the first game our secondary would have been a complete disaster all season.

but you also refuse to acknoledge the deals that guards get in the NFL today. Go look at what SD paid Diehlman or Minny paid Hutchinson.
Who are Pro Bowlers. What is your point? That paying a huge sum of money to a talented player is somehow genius?

Not to mention Davis was a LT a AZ which get paid much more than that. You shouldnt talk numbers when you have no concept of relativity.
Again, paying a Tackle premiere Tackle money and then moving him to a lesser position at Guard is not some sort of GM wizardry. Its having the financial ability to pay overkill.
 

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